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[Wulfram]

The Qunari are due to invade sometime - Sten made it clear in Origins that he expected them to be in Ferelden within his and the Warden's lifetime.
I don't think the Tevinter Imperium cares about mages in other lands, and they've got their hands full with the Qunari anyway
An Orlesian invasion of Ferelden is always a possibility, and since it's the home of the Chantry while Alistair is pursuing rather pro-mage policies, could get mixed up with the Mage/Templar conflict.

[Herr Uhl]

Captain Cornhole wrote...

Ferelden, in my game Alistar was ruler. And during his meeting with Hawke he mentioned a boarder dispute with a neighboring nation (can't remember which one).  Alistar said that tensions were heating up and said it might come to war with said nation. Possible foreshadowing?

I think that we'll work to stop such a war in the next game, having the PC being a seeker.

Quanari and The Free Marches. In the famous words of The Arishok "We'll be baaack."  Even if you murdered the guy, the will of The Qun still demands the "clensing" of Kirkwall.  If the Quarai attack Kirkwall and finish what the Arishok started then wouldn't the Free Marches rise up to the defense of the city? Remember what that noble person said "You ARE starting a War with the Free Marches!'

Sten also said as much. I doubt they'd attack solely on his word without being ready to mount a full-scale attack on Thedas.

Also with the Mages and Templars going at it, could The Emperium get involved?  From Fenris I gathered that basically The Emperium is made up of mages. Don't you think they might sympithise with The Circle Mages?

Not sympathetic, no.

[IanPolaris]

Remember these are the same seekers that suposedly had oversight over the Templars but let Knight Commander Meredith flout chantry law and run wild for at least 10 years.

If I am forced to be a seeker PC in DA 3, I will be an EX-Customer of Bioware. The Seekers are incompetant stooges if Leliann is any indication.

As for Fereldan, it will be a mage haven (already is if Alistair is king) and ultimately I think that the secular rulers will step in by necessity (because I agree that another Qunari invasion is coming) and take control of magic away from the Chantry and nationalize it. I see the secular rulers as being the only people the mages will negotiate....and they will NOT save Thedas from the Qunari for free.

-Polaris

[Herr Uhl]

IanPolaris wrote...

Remember these are the same seekers that suposedly had oversight over the Templars but let Knight Commander Meredith flout chantry law and run wild for at least 10 years.

If I am forced to be a seeker PC in DA 3, I will be an EX-Customer of Bioware. The Seekers are incompetant stooges if Leliann is any indication.

-Polaris

Name one organization in Thedas that you don't consider incompetent other than when directly under your oversight.

[IanPolaris]

Herr Uhl,

Was or was not the oversight of the Templars a Seeker responsibility?

Did the Seekers botch the job or not?

Come on......

-Polaris

[Herr Uhl]

IanPolaris wrote...

Herr Uhl,

Was or was not the oversight of the Templars a Seeker responsibility?

Did the Seekers botch the job or not?

Come on......

-Polaris

I mean, nigh to all organizations are driven by what most here consider blithering idiots. Name me an organization that isn't incompetent in Thedas.

Being one of the seekers would allow both the authority and reason to go where I hope next game goes, and they could come from a wide variety of background (considering the concept of a Kossith in seeker armor they may do more than just watch over templars too). Might be the bioware cliché, but it'd work for me.

[IanPolaris]

Herr Uhl wrote...

IanPolaris wrote...

Herr Uhl,

Was or was not the oversight of the Templars a Seeker responsibility?

Did the Seekers botch the job or not?

Come on......

-Polaris

I mean, nigh to all organizations are driven by what most here consider blithering idiots. Name me an organization that isn't incompetent in Thedas.

The Grey Wardens.  Also Tevinter (they are evil but most certainly not incompetant)

Being one of the seekers would allow both the authority and reason to go where I hope next game goes, and they could come from a wide variety of background (considering the concept of a Kossith in seeker armor they may do more than just watch over templars too). Might be the bioware cliché, but it'd work for me.

That would only appeal to a minority of the fan base, i.e. those that like the Chantry.  Honestly, after DA2 (and DAO) the picture I want to see of the Grand Cathedral in Orlais given all the evil the Chantry is done is rubble with no brick standing on top of the other....and my opinion is not uncommon I think.

Being a seeker would alienate all those that don't like the Chantry.

-Polaris

[Herr Uhl]

IanPolaris wrote...

That would only appeal to a minority of the fan base, i.e. those that like the Chantry.  Honestly, after DA2 (and DAO) the picture I want to see of the Grand Cathedral in Orlais given all the evil the Chantry is done is rubble with no brick standing on top of the other....and my opinion is not uncommon I think.

Being a seeker would alienate all those that don't like the Chantry.

-Polaris

This depends on if it is solely a Chantry organization. The reason I brought up the concept art with a Kossith in seeker armor is just that. They may have retained their original roots (as they weren't created by the chantry, but adopted).

[ddv.rsa]

@Herr Uhl: What makes you think we'll play a seeker in DA3?

[Wulfram]

IanPolaris wrote...

The Grey Wardens.

They stupidly keep a whole bunch of vital information secret.  Like how to kill an Archdemon, and why they aren't just guessing when they say this is a Blight.  And they get themselves killed at Ostagar, and then all the ones sent to Vigil's keep die.  Plus the ones sent to investigate the Primeval Thaig would have died without Hawke.

The Hero of Ferelden is probably competent, as I suppose is the Orlesian Warden Commander, but they spend their time picking up the pieces after the other wardens screw things up.

Also Tevinter (they are evil but most certainly not incompetant)

They do have a rather smaller empire than they used to.  And I can't say I've been impressed by the Tevinters we've encountered - Caladrius's attempt to get the Warden to spare his life by offering to kill his father was impressively stupid.

[IanPolaris]

Wulfram wrote...

IanPolaris wrote...

The Grey Wardens.

They stupidly keep a whole bunch of vital information secret.  Like how to kill an Archdemon, and why they aren't just guessing when they say this is a Blight.  And they get themselves killed at Ostagar, and then all the ones sent to Vigil's keep die.  Plus the ones sent to investigate the Primeval Thaig would have died without Hawke.

The Hero of Ferelden is probably competent, as I suppose is the Orlesian Warden Commander, but they spend their time picking up the pieces after the other wardens screw things up.

That doesn't make the Grey Wardens as a whole an incompetant organization.  They fulfill their stated mission very well and have for 1200 years.  Just because an organization is competant doesn't mean it's without fault.  Whatever else, the Grey Wardens have an enviable track record which I point at to show overall competance.

The Seekers?  One Word:  Meredith.  She was a public figure who flouted her power for over ten years (going well and beyond what a Knight Commander is supposed to in the political arena...destabizing the area....forgetting about mages for a moment).  We know the Seekers had to know about it because Elthina tells you that she is in constant contact with the Divine.

THAT is simple incompetance especially when it takes three years for the seekers to even begin to learn what really happened?!  There should have been a covert Seeker team on site in Kirkwall the entire time given the sort of Knight Commander Meredith was (even pre-idol) and the sort of slacker that Grand Cleric Elthina was.

Also Tevinter (they are evil but most certainly not incompetant)

They do have a rather smaller empire than they used to.  And I can't say I've been impressed by the Tevinters we've encountered - Caladrius's attempt to get the Warden to spare his life by offering to kill his father was impressively stupid.

Caladrius is not all of Tevinter.  Tevinter was defeated by the Andrastian army but still even after all this time and under Qunari pressure too has managed to hold on to what's left of their empire and even have some modest success of late.  I'd say they are competant.  Evil, yes.  But Competant.

-Polaris 

[ddv.rsa]

I wouldn't exactly praise the competence of the Tevinters. They're basically the moribund Byzantine empire, locked in a duel with the Turks. And they're losing, little by little.

[The Angry One]

They've held off a military juggernaut at Seheron for 80 years, and the only thing that says that the Qunari are letting them is the dialog of Fenris, a man who hates Tevinter, everything in it, refuses to acknowledge any merit in anything they do and would gladly do a happy dance on the ruins of Minrathous.

[ddv.rsa]

Drawing out a war doesn't add up to a competent society. The dwarves have held back the darkspawn for centuries, yet look how dysfunctional their society was. When evaluating the competence of a state I don't judge by mere survival, I look for vitality and prosperity.

Modifié par ddv.rsa, 19 avril 2011 - 07:37 .

[Herr Uhl]

Filament wrote...

Herr Uhl wrote...

(considering the concept of a Kossith in seeker armor they may do more than just watch over templars too)

Wait, what?

This one.

[IanPolaris]

ddv.rsa wrote...

I wouldn't exactly praise the competence of the Tevinters. They're basically the moribund Byzantine empire, locked in a duel with the Turks. And they're losing, little by little.

Considering the relative strength of Tevinter and the Qunari, I'd say losing only little by little is competance.

-Polaris

[LobselVith8]

Captain Cornhole wrote...

Ferelden, in my game Alistar was ruler. And during his meeting with Hawke he mentioned a boarder dispute with a neighboring nation (can't remember which one).  

It was Orlais. They conquered Ferelden for over a century until Loghain and Maric lead the rebels to free the nation. Apparently, some Orlesians want to take back control of Ferelden.

Captain Cornhole wrote...

Alistar said that tensions were heating up and said it might come to war with said nation. Possible foreshadowing?

If DA3 takes place in Orlais (as many assume it will), I think that's a good possibility.

Also, King Alistair is harboring apostates, and if the Magi boon is chosen he's still arguing for it. This might come into play given the Circles of Magi breaking free and Orlais being the place of origin and seat of power for the Chantry of Andraste.

Captain Cornhole wrote...

Quanari and The Free Marches. In the famous words of The Arishok "We'll be baaack."  Even if you murdered the guy, the will of The Qun still demands the "clensing" of Kirkwall.

I think it's debatable whether the Qunari would have supported the invasion of Kirkwall since the Arishok acted on his own initiative, but it's a possibility that the Qunari might come back to the rest of Thedas. Sten and the Arishok think it's a good possibility.

Captain Cornhole wrote...

Also with the Mages and Templars going at it, could The Imperium get involved?  From Fenris I gathered that basically The Imperium is made up of mages. Don't you think they might sympithise with The Circle Mages?

The Imperium is run by Magisters who enslave mages and non-mages alike, so I doubt they care about the well-being of the mages in the rest of Thedas.

[Dante Angelo]

It sounds like thedas is going to have a world war

[LobselVith8]

Wulfram wrote...

IanPolaris wrote...

The Grey Wardens.

They stupidly keep a whole bunch of vital information secret.  Like how to kill an Archdemon, and why they aren't just guessing when they say this is a Blight. 

 
I'm certain the Andrastians will love learning about the Joining: it involves Archdemon blood, darkspawn blood, and magic. Blood and magic... so I can see why they keep things about their order clandestine in a continent that has very conversative views on magic, and particularly magic that involves blood.

Wulfram wrote...

And they get themselves killed at Ostagar, and then all the ones sent to Vigil's keep die. 

I didn't realize King Cailan was a Grey Warden making decisions that Loghain openly opposed, and I didn't realize that the Wardens should have known that intelligent darkspawn would launch a sneak attack against Vigil's Keep. What I do know is that the Grey Wardens stopped the last four Blights from destroying all of Thedas.

Wulfram wrote...

Plus the ones sent to investigate the Primeval Thaig would have died without Hawke.

Going into the Deep Roads where the darkspawn have commandeered the Great Thaigs and thaigs that spanned the continent of Thedas should address that there will always be a risk when Grey Wardens venture there for any reason.

Wulfram wrote...

The Hero of Ferelden is probably competent, as I suppose is the Orlesian Warden Commander, but they spend their time picking up the pieces after the other wardens screw things up.

I can see how you can blame King Cailan or Teyrn Loghain about Ostagar, but blaming the Wardens is pushing it when Knight-Commander Greagoir turns down the idea of more than seven mages fighting the darkspawn and Cailan has the final say over the armies of Ferelden.

[Herr Uhl]

LobselVith8 wrote...

Wulfram wrote...
They stupidly keep a whole bunch of vital information secret.  Like how to kill an Archdemon, and why they aren't just guessing when they say this is a Blight. 

 
I'm certain the Andrastians will love learning about the Joining: it involves Archdemon blood, darkspawn blood, and magic. Blood and magic... so I can see why they keep things about their order clandestine in a continent that has very conversative views on magic, and particularly magic that involves blood.

The wardens existed before Andraste. Blood magic wasn't a taboo at all during the first blight.

LobselVith8 wrote...

Wulfram wrote...

The Hero of Ferelden is probably competent, as I suppose is the Orlesian Warden Commander, but they spend their time picking up the pieces after the other wardens screw things up.

I can see how you can blame King Cailan or Teyrn Loghain about Ostagar, but blaming the Wardens is pushing it when Knight-Commander Greagoir turns down the idea of more than seven mages fighting the darkspawn and Cailan has the final say over the armies of Ferelden.

One glaring incompetence is that they haven't got a clear tactic in how to take archdemons down. Unless running up a tower and taking a leap of faith is that.

[Torax]

The joining isn't a complete secret. The Circles help to prepare the joining. So it's something Enchanters also know about. It's not publicly known but it's mostly a guarded secret to hope future recruits are more willing. The whole you could die just at the joining part is pretty scary. Then add the shorter life span and so on. It's not exactly a good recruiting practice if a blight isn't active for sure to have everyone know about the whole deadly parts.