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[KnightofPhoenix]

EmperorSahlertz wrote...
He bought the mansion to give his mother the home of her childhood back. I would have done the same, and not give it a second thought.

How sweet. Now if only Kirkwall was a stable enough city to enjoy it.

Hawke has never encountered Dragons before. How the flying hell was he supposed to know that the big ass dragon he already killed was not actually the mother? Dragons have been thought to be extinct for a very long time, so how should Hawke know the specifics within Dragon zoology?

Maybe because the dragons fought inside couldn't possibly have hatched all those eggs due to their small size? It's common knowledge that the high dragon is the mother, you'd think every child would hear of dragon legends.

If there had been a possibility to act sooner the game would have allowed. The political climate immediately following the Qunari was stable, if tense, and Meredith was in solid power. The whole situation in Kirkwall doesn't spiral out of control until the start of act 3, hence why the act even starts. And he CAN move against Meredith, but you are complaining about Hawke not being able to defy the game mechanics themselves.

No it was not. Varric said it spirals out of  control in the interval. The signs of it spiralling out of control were already there in Act 2 (people hating Meredith. Templar dissenters like Thraskh and doubters like Cullen. Guards greatly weakened, viscount dead). The situation was not stable as Meredith usurped power immediately and blocked off all attempt to appoint a viscount. And she is already hated and she became even more iron fisted. Only someone who is short sighted needs to wait for the catalyst to act (too late by then) when all the signs were already there 3 years prior.

No, I am judging Hawke as Bioware intended to show him. A useless lazy good for nothing. It's a linear story with a clear path and Hawke's path is doing nothing.

[TEWR]

EmperorSahlertz wrote...

Not an attack on you, more a rhethorical question leading to my next question.

Anyway. As we all know that particular stanze "magic is made to serve man and not to rule him" can be interpreted in many different ways. Most of the Chantry seem to interpret it as Mages may never attain rank. Others in the Chantry are of the impression that Mind Control is illegal. There are many different interpretations.

oh ok. I hate it when I think people are attacking me and they're really just asking rhetorical questions. Sorry, this never happened

Personally, I view that stanza as meaning mages should use magic to help people, like Anders does with his Clinic.


Seriously, mages are like better doctors. But nope "magik es bad!!"

[KnightofPhoenix]

Ryzaki wrote...
Heck worst part is Hawke didn't even need the Fereldans. The Kirkwall nobles are the ones who owed their lives to him. Everyone prefered Hawke over Meredith and not once is does Hawke seem to take that seriously. (Other than a "I should be vicount!" and then acting like a cowed puppy when Meredith goes "no." ) 

Hawke could have had nobles, common people, Ferelden refugees, political connections like a magister and smugglers / mercs (the ones in Act 1), The merchant's guild (Varric), the guards (Aveline), mages, Templar dissenters (Thrashk).

Imagine, if Act 3 was about this. How awesome would it have been? But no.

Modifié par KnightofPhoenix, 20 avril 2011 - 03:31 .

[IanPolaris]

Herr Uhl wrote...

So you don't see a difference between a secret orgainization and being a common worker?

If a mage isn't allowed to even be a baker, then I don't see any way the Chantry would permit him (or her) to be a Warden. I just don't.

If we were talking about a secular government, I'd agree with you completely.  Indeed I am nearly 100% sure that every royal house in Thedas has a small group of apostates (perhaps even bloodmages) as a super-secret force pledged directly to serve the crown.  It makes far too much sense not to do so (and it's not that hard to hide a small number of important apostates).

However the Chantry is a religious organization that is driven by it's own ideology and it's interpretation of that ideology.  That makes it the breeding ground of fantatics and radicals (like Petrice and Varnel).  Not everyone is like that of course (not by a long chalk) but enough are to make the sort of shady and quasi-legal practices that a govt might tolerate to be impractical.  With a secular govt, you are shading (or bending) the law for the good of the country.  With the Chantry, you are committing a sin against the Maker if you do the exact same thing (hide a small group of dedicated apostates).

That's why I just don't see it.

-Polaris

Modifié par IanPolaris, 20 avril 2011 - 03:30 .

[BanksHector]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...
Heck worst part is Hawke didn't even need the Fereldans. The Kirkwall nobles are the ones who owed their lives to him. Everyone prefered Hawke over Meredith and not once is does Hawke seem to take that seriously. (Other than a "I should be vicount!" and then acting like a cowed puppy when Meredith goes "no." ) 

Hawke could have had nobles, common people, Ferelden refugees, political connections like a magister and smugglers / mercs (the ones in Act 1), The merchant's guilds (Varric), the guards (Aveline), mages, Templar dissenters (Thrashk).

Imagine, if Act 3 was about this. How awesome would it have been? But no.

That would of made for a much better Act 3.

Modifié par BanksHector, 20 avril 2011 - 03:33 .

[LobselVith8]

IanPolaris wrote...

EmperorSahlertz wrote...
Wynne, Ines and Wilhelm springs to mind.

Wynne had to get special permission to leave the tower and she's a senior enchanter. Presumably Ines is as well since she has a voice and vote at Cumberland. Wilhelm was a Hero of the Fereldan Revolution and personal friend and mage to the Arl of Redcliff....even THEN he reported regularly and was closely monitered by the circle. Wilhelm is a special case if there ever was one.

I recall that DG once made it painfully clear that the ONLY legal way a mage can be divorced/allowed free of the chantry is if that mage is also a Grey Warden.

-Polaris

Ines seems to be from Ferelden (given how she knew Uldred) and is studying the Northern Prickleweed, a plant that's said to grow in Blighted soil, which is important given the Blight that Ferelden had suffered from. We know from Knight-Commander Greagoir's refusal to permit more than seven mages at Ostagar that mages can't simply come and go as they please.

[TJPags]

So, we get to play as a Seeker in DA3? And kill lots and lots of rebellious mages?

Is that what we think?

Excellent!!!!!!!!!!

[Ryzaki]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...
Hawke could have had nobles, common people, Ferelden refugees, political connections like a magister and smugglers / mercs (the ones in Act 1), The merchant's guild (Varric), the guards (Aveline), mages, Templar dissenters (Thrashk).

Imagine, if Act 3 was about this. How awesome would it have been? But no.

Would've been epic.

And would've actually felt like an actual rise to power if we had to cultivate those relationships from Act 1 to Act 3.

[KnightofPhoenix]

BanksHector wrote...

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...
Heck worst part is Hawke didn't even need the Fereldans. The Kirkwall nobles are the ones who owed their lives to him. Everyone prefered Hawke over Meredith and not once is does Hawke seem to take that seriously. (Other than a "I should be vicount!" and then acting like a cowed puppy when Meredith goes "no." ) 

Hawke could have had nobles, common people, Ferelden refugees, political connections like a magister and smugglers / mercs (the ones in Act 1), The merchant's guilds (Varric), the guards (Aveline), mages, Templar dissenters (Thrashk).

Imagine, if Act 3 was about this. How awesome would it have been? But no.

That would of made for a much better Act 3.

Now imagine my dissapointment, as I was planning for all of this since Act 1 (not even joking) because I naively believed that the story is about a rise to power.

What a slap in the face.

@ Ryzaki
I know! I tried doing it because I believed in hype!

Modifié par KnightofPhoenix, 20 avril 2011 - 03:33 .

[TEWR]

BanksHector wrote...

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...
Heck worst part is Hawke didn't even need the Fereldans. The Kirkwall nobles are the ones who owed their lives to him. Everyone prefered Hawke over Meredith and not once is does Hawke seem to take that seriously. (Other than a "I should be vicount!" and then acting like a cowed puppy when Meredith goes "no." ) 

Hawke could have had nobles, common people, Ferelden refugees, political connections like a magister and smugglers / mercs (the ones in Act 1), The merchant's guilds (Varric), the guards (Aveline), mages, Templar dissenters (Thrashk).

Imagine, if Act 3 was about this. How awesome would it have been? But no.

That would of made for a much better Act 3.

KoP should work for Bioware. Actually, a lot of people on the forums should work for Bioware.


Mass gathering at Bioware HQ anybody?

[Riona45]

Maria Caliban wrote...
As a Chantry Seeker, you could discredit the Chantry and the Templars. You could publicly expose corruption and abuses or cover them up. You could secretly help the Dalish, mages, or other even worshipers of the old gods. 

With regards to the Seekers, I can totally buy that.  If DA3 was about being a Chantry Seeker (and allowed you to be a mage), I'd be willing to try that out and see what they do with it.  I like seeing the setting from different perspectives.

[Maria Caliban]

Did you know there are Popes that used nunneries as brothels?

People do not act as 'god' tells them to act. They act like they want and then decide 'god' is cool with it.

All you need is the head of the Seekers to say, "I've decided that we need mages. The Maker will be fine with this because we're his chosen and are serving his will. No one tell the Templars or the regular Chantry types."

And it will work because the Seekers are a large, powerful, and *secret* organization like the CIA or M-12.

[KnightofPhoenix]

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...
KoP should work for Bioware. Actually, a lot of people on the forums should work for Bioware.


Mass gathering at Bioware HQ anybody?

I may end up being too political (check Arcturus blog in my sig).

You know, the kind of stuff where pressing a button does not automatically result in something AWESOME.

[IanPolaris]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...
Now imagine my dissapointment, as I was planning for all of this since Act 1 (not even joking) because I naively believed that the story is about a rise to power.

What a slap in the face.

@ Ryzaki
I know! I tried doing it because I believed in hype!

Well what did you expect?  Bioware couldn't let us messy human players mess up their nice pre-packaged storyline and it's tragic hero/villian Anders...and yes, Anders and not Hawke was the real protagonist of DA2.

-Polaris

[TEWR]

LobselVith8 wrote...

IanPolaris wrote...

EmperorSahlertz wrote...
Wynne, Ines and Wilhelm springs to mind.

Wynne had to get special permission to leave the tower and she's a senior enchanter. Presumably Ines is as well since she has a voice and vote at Cumberland. Wilhelm was a Hero of the Fereldan Revolution and personal friend and mage to the Arl of Redcliff....even THEN he reported regularly and was closely monitered by the circle. Wilhelm is a special case if there ever was one.

I recall that DG once made it painfully clear that the ONLY legal way a mage can be divorced/allowed free of the chantry is if that mage is also a Grey Warden.

-Polaris

Ines seems to be from Ferelden (given how she knew Uldred) and is studying the Northern Prickleweed, a plant that's said to grow in Blighted soil, which is important given the Blight that Ferelden had suffered from. We know from Knight-Commander Greagoir's refusal to permit more than seven mages at Ostagar that mages can't simply come and go as they please.

I think you're confusing one plant's needed area for growth with another. the Northern Prickleweed only grows on rocky soil, not Blighted.

There is a plant that grows in Blighted soil though.

[IanPolaris]

Maria Caliban wrote...

Did you know there are Popes that used nunneries as brothels?

People do not act as 'god' tells them to act. They act like they want and then decide 'god' is cool with it.

All you need is the head of the Seekers to say, "I've decided that we need mages. The Maker will be fine with this because we're his chosen and are serving his will. No one tell the Templars or the regular Chantry types."

And it will work because the Seekers are a large, powerful, and *secret* organization like the CIA or M-12.

I hope you're right, and we are given a real and viable CHOICE in what side we want to support (mage or templar) in DA3.  However, given Laidlow and his reputation (and public statements) I really don't think you are.  I foresee another trip down the Railroad in DA3 this time as a chantry stooge.

-Polaris

[Herr Uhl]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

I may end up being too political (check Arcturus blog in my sig).

You know, the kind of stuff where pressing a button does not automatically result in something AWESOME.

The ego, this thread can't hold it much longer.

*bails before thread explodes*

[KnightofPhoenix]

Herr Uhl wrote...

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

I may end up being too political (check Arcturus blog in my sig).

You know, the kind of stuff where pressing a button does not automatically result in something AWESOME.

The ego, this thread can't hold it much longer.

*bails before thread explodes*

Oh come on, the forums was able to survive it for a year.

[Ryzaki]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...
@ Ryzaki
I know! I tried doing it because I believed in hype!

Dang it KoP you got me all hyped for a game that never was.

I hope DA3 will be about more than a lazy rich protagonist that has a bunch of crap luck. <_<  Instead we hang around cleaning up our companions messes until emo Anders until blows up the Chantry, we side with the Templars or mages and the game ends right when things get interesting.

Modifié par Ryzaki, 20 avril 2011 - 03:41 .

[KnightofPhoenix]

Ryzaki wrote...
I hope DA3 will be about more than a lazy rich protagonist that has a bunch of crap luck. <_<

Like something even remotely resembling a general <_<

[TEWR]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...
KoP should work for Bioware. Actually, a lot of people on the forums should work for Bioware.


Mass gathering at Bioware HQ anybody?

I may end up being too political (check Arcturus blog in my sig).

You know, the kind of stuff where pressing a button does not automatically result in something AWESOME.

Nope, but the collaboration of actually thinking various things through results in something AWESOME. Too political is actually kinda good.

[Ryzaki]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...
I hope DA3 will be about more than a lazy rich protagonist that has a bunch of crap luck. <_<

Like something even remotely resembling a general <_<

You like your generals don't you? 

I'd like to be the generals kid. Just so I can be a prodigy.

[BanksHector]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...
Now imagine my dissapointment, as I was planning for all of this since Act 1 (not even joking) because I naively believed that the story is about a rise to power.

What a slap in the face.

Ya I was hoping more something like that in the end. After the second Act I was still hoping for something good, and Act 3 starts and it all goes to hell. So, I finally become champion and got a major letdown cause it seem I had even less power after becoming the champion then I did earlier in the game.

Modifié par BanksHector, 20 avril 2011 - 03:46 .

[KnightofPhoenix]

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...
Nope, but the collaboration of actually thinking various things through results in something AWESOME. Too political is actually kinda good.

Oh tell me about it. Nothing like seeing results after years of meticulous planning, every contingency accounted for, every weakness exploited and every advantage and opportunity siezed. And at the end of the day, bask at the victory with a slight smirk as if it was all expected. 

Sigh....I need to change my pants.


@ Ryzaki

I loled when the tutorial in DA2 is actually called "The Art of War". How stupid do they think we are?

Modifié par KnightofPhoenix, 20 avril 2011 - 03:46 .

[LobselVith8]

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

LobselVith8 wrote...

Ines seems to be from Ferelden (given how she knew Uldred) and is studying the Northern Prickleweed, a plant that's said to grow in Blighted soil, which is important given the Blight that Ferelden had suffered from. We know from Knight-Commander Greagoir's refusal to permit more than seven mages at Ostagar that mages can't simply come and go as they please.

I think you're confusing one plant's needed area for growth with another. the Northern Prickleweed only grows on rocky soil, not Blighted.

There is a plant that grows in Blighted soil though.

Ines is looking for it because it's reputed to be able to grow in Blighted soil, though. When the Warden looks for it, she specifies that he can find it on rocky soil.