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[LobselVith8]

Vicious wrote...

IanPolaris wrote...

If I am forced to be a seeker PC in DA 3, I will be an EX-Customer of Bioware. The Seekers are incompetant stooges if Leliann is any indication.

I am completely baffled by your post. Seekers are the Spectres of Thedas. You obviously played ME1/ME2, and in ME1 you have to support the Council whether you like it or not, at least until the end.

It could be the same in DA3, but i am just baffled that you immediately write off a game just because you're a member of an organization we pretty much know nothing about.

Says a lot.

Except if we're a Seeker of the Chantry, then it likely limits what class and race we could be, as well as what we can do. I think Ian's point is about how forcing us to be a Seeker, as opposed to allowing us the opportunity to become one if we do chose to be one, would demonstrate a continuing trend in the Dragon Age series where the protagonist's choices kept getting limited. It limits our ability to immerse ourselves in the story and our chance to RP, as well as confines our choices if the decisions are ultimately forced on us.

[TEWR]

The Angry One wrote...

Mostly Star Ocean 2 though.
Mainly playing as Rena. This has nothing do to with having a thing for Dias. Well, little. Well, half. Nevermind.

The only star Ocean I haven't played is SO:The Last Hope. I'm probably going to order it off of Amazon for my PS3 at some point.

Bizarre as hell. I suppose I would have accepted it better if the game hadn't been leading to an entirely different direction up to that point but I just think it was silly.

That said, the aesthetic of Star Ocean 3 I totally adored.

I don't know I liked it. And it did make a lot of sense storywise how that was the entire reason the Vendeeni did what they did. But to each his own I guess.

Favorite SO3 character?

[The Angry One]

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

I don't know I liked it. And it did make a lot of sense storywise how that was the entire reason the Vendeeni did what they did. But to each his own I guess.

Now see that revelation just ticked me the hell off.
The evil aliens aren't evil, they want to stop the foolish humans from provoking the extradimensional beings?
How do they do this? By nuking colonies, attacking pre-industrial worlds and stealing artifacts. Wait, what?

Favorite SO3 character?

Albel Nox.

[TEWR]

The Angry One wrote...

Now see that revelation just ticked me the hell off.
The evil aliens aren't evil, they want to stop the foolish humans from provoking the extradimensional beings?
How do they do this? By nuking colonies, attacking pre-industrial worlds and stealing artifacts. Wait, what?

I can understand that. But what you have to realize is...

they're anthropomorphic fish people. Obviously being out of the water has affected their brains negatively.


One thing I'm glad for is that at least SO3 made me feel connected to the Leingod family from the start of the game.

Albel Nox.

yes.

[LobselVith8]

Filament wrote...

LobselVith8 wrote...


Except if we're a Seeker of the Chantry, then it likely limits what class and race we could be, as well as what we can do. I think Ian's point is about how forcing us to be a Seeker, as opposed to allowing us the opportunity to become one if we do chose to be one, would demonstrate a continuing trend in the Dragon Age series where the protagonist's choices kept getting limited. It limits our ability to immerse ourselves in the story and our chance to RP, as well as confines our choices if the decisions are ultimately forced on us.

Hm... well what has "allowing us the opportunity to become one" ever really gotten us? Blood mage, templar... and zero recognition of the fact that you have these abilities. (well, okay, very little recognition)

Which is a fault of the writers not accomodating these choices.

Filament wrote...

What has forcing us to be in a certain organization gotten us? The Warden. They were allowed to do so much more with it as a result.

And DA2 forced us to become the Champion, where our choices meant nothing because we were forced down a linear progression.

Filament wrote...

I wouldn't just discount it out of hand.

Ian has good reason to discount it if it means more of a linear progression where our choices mean nothing and we're denied an opportunity to side with the mages or the templars.

[IanPolaris]

Filament wrote...

LobselVith8 wrote...

Filament wrote...

I wouldn't just discount it out of hand.

Ian has good reason to discount it if it means more of a linear progression where our choices mean nothing and we're denied an opportunity to side with the mages or the templars.

You really should just own the argument if you're going to argue it. And those things aren't really a given just because the protagonist is a Seeker.

My issue is this:  The War between the Templars and the Mages is really between the Chantry and the Mages even if the Chantry doesn't want to admit it. All the Templar power and abuses can be laid either directly or indirectly at the feet of the Divine and all the Divines before her....because they GAVE the Templars the power all while hooking them on a totally addictive drug apparently to keep them (the Templars) loyal.  The Chantry had a responsibility and they failed and failed badly and utterly.

Why would I for one minute want to be a member of the Chantry's Gestapo?  {I am not saying it might not be a valid choice but it needs to be a choice}

-Polaris

[Torax]

Varric said that the Order rebelled as well. Which means it's no longer doing the Chantry's bidding and is warring on it's own most likely. It's an assumption and bias to say the Chantry is the one at War. I am not truly sure how true that would be. Just like assuming any else about the Seekers from what we saw. When you assume you make an azz out of uma thurman.

[IanPolaris]

Filament wrote...

From what I've heard there might be some sort of schism between the Templars and the Chantry, so if we were to be a Seeker in DA3, you wouldn't automatically be on the Templar's side... and if it's anything like being a Spectre you may not even be on the Chantry's side very much.

If you are with the Chantry, you are default against the mages.  Listen to Lelianna and Cassandra in DA2 if you doubt me for even a moment on this.

-Polaris

[IanPolaris]

Torax wrote...

Varric said that the Order rebelled as well. Which means it's no longer doing the Chantry's bidding and is warring on it's own most likely. It's an assumption and bias to say the Chantry is the one at War. I am not truly sure how true that would be. Just like assuming any else about the Seekers from what we saw. When you assume you make an azz out of uma thurman.

The Chantry is fundamentally to blame though and so siding with the Chantry in any way in this leaves a vile taste in my mouth.  If you want to CHOOSE that path, fine, but don't force it on me.  Also the Seekers make it very clear that they primarily blame the mages.

-Polaris

[Torax]

Cassandra "Not all of us want war Varric."

[Torax]

IanPolaris wrote...

Torax wrote...

Varric said that the Order rebelled as well. Which means it's no longer doing the Chantry's bidding and is warring on it's own most likely. It's an assumption and bias to say the Chantry is the one at War. I am not truly sure how true that would be. Just like assuming any else about the Seekers from what we saw. When you assume you make an azz out of uma thurman.

The Chantry is fundamentally to blame though and so siding with the Chantry in any way in this leaves a vile taste in my mouth.  If you want to CHOOSE that path, fine, but don't force it on me.  Also the Seekers make it very clear that they primarily blame the mages.

-Polaris

Spare me the anti Chantry diatribe. You spew that enough already. I would never force you to do anything for starters. I'm just saying you are assuming things about the ending of the game and would I be. Assuming gets us no where. Haven't you complained about the Chantry enough even in just Origins?

[IanPolaris]

Torax wrote...

Cassandra "Not all of us want war Varric."

That's a far cry from saying they want peace.  I took from that that the Seekers want to somehow put the Genie back in the bottle.  That ain't happening....and even if the Seekers try, I don't want have any part of that.

-Polaris

[IanPolaris]

Torax wrote...
Spare me the anti Chantry diatribe. You spew that enough already. I would never force you to do anything for starters. I'm just saying you are assuming things about the ending of the game and would I be. Assuming gets us no where. Haven't you complained about the Chantry enough even in just Origins?

No.  The Anti-Chantry PoV is (seemingly) a significant portion (I'd go so far as to say the majority even) of the DAO fanbase.  Making such people play a pro-chantry character would be the final insult and I see no reason to think given Bioware's current direction that they won't.

-Polaris

[Torax]

IanPolaris wrote...

Torax wrote...

Cassandra "Not all of us want war Varric."

That's a far cry from saying they want peace.  I took from that that the Seekers want to somehow put the Genie back in the bottle.  That ain't happening....and even if the Seekers try, I don't want have any part of that.

-Polaris

Remember this clearly. You are assuming even now. We do NOT know what they are planning as a story yet. We do NOT even know truly what the conflict will be the next game. You hate the Chantry generally. I've never even seen you saying anything positive about them. You look for the EVIL in the Chantry just like you look for the EVIL in the Templars. It gets old after a while.

[EmperorSahlertz]

I'd say that the anti-chantry fanbase is just a very, very vocal minority.

[Torax]

I just hate if I am simply quoting something from a Cinematic it turns into some "Chantry is evil rant" like I was waving some banner for a group I don't even like...

Modifié par Torax, 20 avril 2011 - 12:45 .

[IanPolaris]

EmperorSahlertz wrote...

I'd say that the anti-chantry fanbase is just a very, very vocal minority.

I seem to remember that the internet play data from DAO said something very different than this.  In fact I recall the Devs complaining when they saw it that players were picking the pro-mage and anti-chantry choices almost by default.  [The one exception seemed to be the Urn of Sacred Ashes.]

-Polaris

[hoorayforicecream]

For a thread of this title, there is a disturbing lack of Edwin Starr.

[EmperorSahlertz]

IanPolaris wrote...

EmperorSahlertz wrote...

I'd say that the anti-chantry fanbase is just a very, very vocal minority.

I seem to remember that the internet play data from DAO said something very different than this.  In fact I recall the Devs complaining when they saw it that players were picking the pro-mage and anti-chantry choices almost by default.  [The one exception seemed to be the Urn of Sacred Ashes.]

-Polaris

Uhm.. No. The ONLY thing that data said, was that most players opted to save the mages, instead of annulling the tower. In no way does that constitute an anti-chantry majority. All it shows is that a lot of people believed the tower could be saved.

[Jedi Master of Orion]

Rifneno wrote...

Read what I said.  I specifically said that we wouldn't see it because this is DRAGON AGE and the games aren't going to be set in future ages.

And you know this how? I remember reading here that there may be games set in Ages beyond the Dragon Age somewhere down the line.  My point was that even if there was, it wouldn't matter. Technology would still be around the same level because it's a fantasy setting.

Rifneno wrote...

It wasn't.  He was collecting saltpeter and sulfur, real ingredients for real explosives.  How do you think so many people knew what he was up to when they started the quest?

Even if they were, real explosives don't explode like that. So whatever he did was magical in nature.