KnightofPhoenix wrote...
Yea, as I have said before, that is the strongest argument against it being a genocide.
Though it could be countered with the argument that those "purges" are specifically designed to keep the mage population as low as possible. 17 annulments, one each generation, is a rather high number. That can fall onto the 3rd and 4rth characteristic.
The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...
KnightofPhoenix wrote...
Yea, as I have said before, that is the strongest argument against it being a genocide.
Though it could be countered with the argument that those "purges" are specifically designed to keep the mage population as low as possible. 17 annulments, one each generation, is a rather high number. That can fall onto the 3rd and 4rth characteristic.
Once it hits an even 20 *claps and points*.... it's Genocide!
I wonder if there's a way to Horatio Cane the Right of Annulment
KnightofPhoenix wrote...
LobselVith8 wrote...
Also, I did mention Sebastian earlier because I remembered the picture of KoP's Warden playing Alistair like a puppet and wondered if it might be similar to Hawke helping Sebastian gain the throne of Starkhaven...
Are you honestly, sincerily and soberly comparing the useless Hawke to my Dain Aeducan?? Huh?!
I'd have no problem with having to be a Chantry stooge. In Mass Effect 2, I had to play a Cerberus 'stoogie,' though I don't feel the story explored that sufficiently.IanPolaris wrote...
Maria Caliban wrote...
Given that the Chantry is the largest and most powerful organization in Thedas, and that it's involved in numerous conflicts, I'd think making the protagonist a Seeker would give the player insight into matters we've yet to explore as well as a pleasant excuse for the thumbs-in-everyone's-pie approach BioWare PCs always take.
Except you are automatically forcing the PC to be the stooge of one side and it's a side that many (most I daresay) DAO players don't like. The option would be fine but don't make us play a Chantry stooge please.
-Polaris
The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...
Pfft.... Xanthos Aeducan could take down your Dain Aeducan in a heartbeat.
Maria Caliban wrote...
I'd have no problem with having to be a Chantry stooge. In Mass Effect 2, I had to play a Cerberus 'stoogie,' though I don't feel the story explored that sufficiently.
Modifié par IanPolaris, 20 avril 2011 - 02:29 .
KnightofPhoenix wrote...
LobselVith8 wrote...
Also, I did mention Sebastian earlier because I remembered the picture of KoP's Warden playing Alistair like a puppet and wondered if it might be similar to Hawke helping Sebastian gain the throne of Starkhaven...
Are you honestly, sincerily and soberly comparing the useless Hawke to my Dain Aeducan?? Huh?!
The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...
KnightofPhoenix wrote...
Yea, as I have said before, that is the strongest argument against it being a genocide.
Though it could be countered with the argument that those "purges" are specifically designed to keep the mage population as low as possible. 17 annulments, one each generation, is a rather high number. That can fall onto the 3rd and 4rth characteristic.
Once it hits an even 20 *claps and points*.... it's Genocide!
I wonder if there's a way to Horatio Cane the Right of Annulment
But where is his shoes? 
YEAAAAAAAAAAH!
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LobselVith8 wrote...
It's my theory that if Hawke were to step outside the territorial boundaries of Kirkwall (the Hellmouth of Thedas, apparently), it stands to reason that he may no longer be useless. He may actually do things.
In Knights of the Old Republic, you had to be a Jedi. In Dragon Age: Origins, you have to be a Grey Warden (who are also attempting to commit genocide). In the Witcher, you have to be a Witcher. In Deus Ex, you have to be part of UNATCO (and later you have to leave.)IanPolaris wrote...
Mass Effect is not Dragon Age. Mass Effect is a shooter with strong RPG elements. Dragon Age is SUPPOSED to be a CRPG.Maria Caliban wrote...
I'd have no problem with having to be a Chantry stooge. In Mass Effect 2, I had to play a Cerberus 'stoogie,' though I don't feel the story explored that sufficiently.
Different standards for different franchises.
-Polaris
LobselVith8 wrote...
[rey-shuhl]
–adjective
1. of, pertaining to, or characteristic of one race or the races of humankind.
Given that Knight-Commander Meredith orders the execution of all mages in the Circle of Magi who all share the characteristic of magical ability...
KnightofPhoenix wrote...
The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...
Pfft.... Xanthos Aeducan could take down your Dain Aeducan in a heartbeat.
Meh, Dain can't even be bothered to look down on this Xanthos.
And yea, I am an off-topic machine. First batman vs superman, now this. In fact, the Alistairian girls made a sig about me being outrageously off-topic. Where's the sig when I need it?
KnightofPhoenix wrote...
Yea figures. I study a bit of Y-DNA and I think I am an expert on genotype
I stand corrected.
Maria Caliban wrote...
I'd have no problem with having to be a Chantry stooge. In Mass Effect 2, I had to play a Cerberus 'stoogie,' though I don't feel the story explored that sufficiently.
... Dwarves...The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...
KnightofPhoenix wrote...
The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...
Pfft.... Xanthos Aeducan could take down your Dain Aeducan in a heartbeat.
Meh, Dain can't even be bothered to look down on this Xanthos.
And yea, I am an off-topic machine. First batman vs superman, now this. In fact, the Alistairian girls made a sig about me being outrageously off-topic. Where's the sig when I need it?
This Dain Aeducan is but a mere pile of dirt underneath the mighty, noble, wise, kind to all unless douchery is needed, handsome, and cuddly Xanthos Aeducan's boot. And it is under his boot he shall stay because that is where he belongs. He does not deserve to be free from under the boot.
Fear mighty Xanthos Aeducan!!
Maria Caliban wrote...
In Knights of the Old Republic, you had to be a Jedi.
That's the way it is with every BioWare game. Why would being a Seeker be any different?Herr Uhl wrote...
The amount of leeway there was staggering though. They basically gave you a ship and crew and told you to work your mojo.Maria Caliban wrote...
I'd have no problem with having to be a Chantry stooge. In Mass Effect 2, I had to play a Cerberus 'stoogie,' though I don't feel the story explored that sufficiently.
That's also nice. As a Seeker, you'd probably be in a great position to undermine the Chantry.KnightofPhoenix wrote...
Maria Caliban wrote...
In Knights of the Old Republic, you had to be a Jedi.
You could also atfer the Leviathan revelation decide to be a chess master and try to reclaim your former position (you can tell uthar that you have reclaimed your title and he swears allegience to you. That's before Rakata prime). And then officially turn on the Jedi.
*Dreamy sigh*, memories. Bastilla: "I will be your lover and apprentice"
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IanPolaris wrote...
Mages are a recognized minority group with different laws than everyone else. So are elves (just to name another example). That makes them an ethnic group as defined by the society(ies) they live in. Mages can also be targeted by being mages since "magical ability" is a phenotype that can't be changed rather than a profession or affilation (which can).
Thus killing all mages for being mages IS genocide by the legal definition of the term...even if it's just in Kirkwall.
-Polaris
Soldiers are held to different laws than civilians too; that doesn't mean they are an ethnic group. 
Maria Caliban wrote...
In Knights of the Old Republic, you had to be a Jedi. In Dragon Age: Origins, you have to be a Grey Warden (who are also attempting to commit genocide). In the Witcher, you have to be a Witcher. In Deus Ex, you have to be part of UNATCO (and later you have to leave.)
Are all of these not cRPGs?
Herr Uhl wrote...
Don't you mean expert on genetics. And what do you mean by Y-DNA?
Modifié par KnightofPhoenix, 20 avril 2011 - 02:37 .
Emperor Sahlertz wrote...
... Dwarves...
hoorayforicecream wrote...
Are you really equating "minority" with "ethnic"?
Maria Caliban wrote...
That's also nice. As a Seeker, you'd probably be in a great position to undermine the Chantry.
IanPolaris wrote...
Wrong. You can choose to be a soldier. You can't choose to have red hair (for example). That's the difference.
-Polaris
The other factions in BioWare games usually give you missions at least. I wouldn't expect the seekers to be very restrictive, but more than Cerberus. They are the least restrictive organization that you've been in to date.Maria Caliban wrote...
That's the way it is with every BioWare game. Why would being a Seeker be any different?Herr Uhl wrote...
The amount of leeway there was staggering though. They basically gave you a ship and crew and told you to work your mojo.Maria Caliban wrote...
I'd have no problem with having to be a Chantry stooge. In Mass Effect 2, I had to play a Cerberus 'stoogie,' though I don't feel the story explored that sufficiently.
Maria Caliban wrote...
Herr Uhl wrote...
Maria Caliban wrote...
I'd have no problem with having to be a Chantry stooge. In Mass Effect 2, I had to play a Cerberus 'stoogie,' though I don't feel the story explored that sufficiently.
The amount of leeway there was staggering though. They basically gave you a ship and crew and told you to work your mojo.
That's the way it is with every BioWare game. Why would being a Seeker be any different?
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