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[Pwener2313]

High time someone took the balls and made the dreaded religion thread. There are too many things to discuss with this topic so Let's start with Earth and Humans in general.


Humans:

Religion for humanity seems to have not changed at all in 200 years. From Christianity to Buddhism, humans are as culturally diversed as ever. The only hint to Shepard's religion is made when talking with Ashley in ME1, where the only options are to deny God's existance (Atheism), say you believe in God (Catholic, Christian, ect.) or to play coy and tell Ash to not discuss the topic openly (???).

Wathever Shepard's religion is seems to be left for the player to fill indirectly. So quick question; What religion is your Shepard and what have you done to support that?

I myself had hoped that this issue would have been explored deeper in ME2, yet no such luck was found. I'd also like to point out that when it comes to games like ME where alien species are introduced with they're own religions, the existence of God and any other human religion goes out the window. Why? Because if God created all, why do aliens have they're own religions? Why didn't he intervene with those species? So in ME, it seems to be safe to assume that God doesn't exist. When this problem presented, no one dares to explore it for wathever reason.

Maybe ME3 will go deeper into the religious aspects of characters..... or not. If this topic takes off, maybe we can discuss alien religions, like the Turian multireligious culture or the Asari Goddess religion.

[Lady Luck]

Hope people will keep it civil here. Otherwise this thread can turn up pretty bad...

[Pwener2313]

I know, a pretty big risk..... but the priiiiiize..... of knowledge! it's a contoversial topic to be sure, but rewards can benefit us all. We can understand our own species better by studying others.

[Chaos-fusion]

It's not brought up because it's a touchy issue. Ashley had oneconversation (and maybe mentioned it is the slightest way in her comments elsewhere) on the subject with Shepherd in ME1 and was branded a fanatic.

Easier to sidestep the issue unless they plan on making a prominent theme of it.

Modifié par Chaos-fusion, 19 avril 2011 - 05:30 .

[AngelicMachinery]

Atheist with a growing interest in The Asari Philosophies (Not sure if that's considered religion though).

[ObserverStatus]

I don't know about yours' but my Shepard is a devout Andrastean. Not a day goes by when he doesn't log onto "galaxy of fantasy" to tell the mages how much the maker hates them.

[Pwener2313]

AngelicMachinery wrote...

Atheist with a growing interest in The Asari Philosophies (Not sure if that's considered religion though).

No it isn't. Philosophy isn't religion but the understanding of other matters. Religion involves faith which is irrelevant in philosophy studies as far as I know. I can be wrong on that remark, but I doubt it. Also, the religion of your Shepard says a lot about yorself. It's not a matter of playing renegade or paragon but a more indepth matter. You may think it's a nonimportant  thing, but it isn't.

[Urdnot Orrad]

Pwener2313 wrote...

High time someone took the balls and made the dreaded religion thread. There are too many things to discuss with this topic so Let's start with Earth and Humans in general.


Humans:

Religion for humanity seems to have not changed at all in 200 years. From Christianity to Buddhism, humans are as culturally diversed as ever. The only hint to Shepard's religion is made when talking with Ashley in ME1, where the only options are to deny God's existance (Atheism), say you believe in God (Catholic, Christian, ect.) or to play coy and tell Ash to not discuss the topic openly (???).

Wathever Shepard's religion is seems to be left for the player to fill indirectly. So quick question; What religion is your Shepard and what have you done to support that?

I myself had hoped that this issue would have been explored deeper in ME2, yet no such luck was found. I'd also like to point out that when it comes to games like ME where alien species are introduced with they're own religions, the existence of God and any other human religion goes out the window. Why? Because if God created all, why do aliens have they're own religions? Why didn't he intervene with those species? So in ME, it seems to be safe to assume that God doesn't exist. When this problem presented, no one dares to explore it for wathever reason.

Maybe ME3 will go deeper into the religious aspects of characters..... or not. If this topic takes off, maybe we can discuss alien religions, like the Turian multireligious culture or the Asari Goddess religion.

I'd like to point out two things: One, Catholicism is simply another sect of Christianity and should not be considered "separate" from Christianity itself. Second, merely saying you believe in God in ME doesn't make you a Christian. It merely means you are monotheistic, because all we can gather from that conversation with Ash is that she believes in a god, apparently called "God" (like the Christian god), but she does not give us any more insight than that.

Anyway, my canon Shep is monotheistic. I'd say he is a Christian like myself, but I suppose merely being a monotheist is enough for this. Now that I think on it, since I do enjoy RPing my Sheps, maybe I should delve a bit more into that bit of his personality?

[The_Illusive]

I'm Christian so Shepard is Christian. Simple

[Pwener2313]

bobobo878 wrote...

I don't know about yours' but my Shepard is a devout Andrastean. Not a day goes by when he doesn't log onto "galaxy of fantasy" to tell the mages how much the maker hates them.

Mine follows my own believes. Believes in God and seeks his acceptance but doesn't folllw any one religion. Kiling is abstract and necessary for the greater good. Kind of a contradiction, but that's what I am, one big contradiction.

[Pwener2313]

Urdnot Orrad wrote...

I'd like to point out two things: One, Catholicism is simply another sect of Christianity and should not be considered "separate" from Christianity itself. Second, merely saying you believe in God in ME doesn't make you a Christian. It merely means you are monotheistic, because all we can gather from that conversation with Ash is that she believes in a god, apparently called "God" (like the Christian god), but she does not give us any more insight than that.

Anyway, my canon Shep is monotheistic. I'd say he is a Christian like myself, but I suppose merely being a monotheist is enough for this. Now that I think on it, since I do enjoy RPing my Sheps, maybe I should delve a bit more into that bit of his personality?

Catholiscism isn't the same as Christianity, so I put the separately. Furthermore I said "ect." so sorry, but your statement is irrelevant. I don't believe in this "monotheistic" thing (first time I've heard about it. For me, Catholicism is a saparate religion from Christianity, with different beliefs. and I never said that believing in God made you a Christian in ME, don't put words in my mouth.

[Chala]

Catholic

[Urdnot Orrad]

My Shep is like 90% Paragon, because he has no qualms with killing armed mercs in order to make battles easier-- y'know, Renegade interrupts. But like all Paragons, he tries to be as civil and polite with everyone he meets as he can.

And I SUPPOSE that could tie in with the Christian idea of "living to serve God by helping others". I never really thought about this until now, but my Shepard always takes the time to talk to people and help them (i.e. sidequests). Interesting... I like this new way to view it.

In addition, personally, I always have thought: "If my beliefs are indeed true, and God did create everything, then where would aliens fit into that if they exist?" I remember giving a lot of thought to that question, and I ultimately decided that "all sentient beings have souls-- even geth. Therefore, should they seek God, He'd accept them."

Pretty interesting to think about, Pwener. I'm glad someone actually brought this up, because I never would have thought to do it.

Edit: I wasn't putting words in your mouth, I was merely reacting to what I read.

Modifié par Urdnot Orrad, 19 avril 2011 - 05:49 .

[Chewin]

My paragon colonist/sole survivor Shep doesn't believe in God or any religion.

My renegade Shep, well, he thinks he's a God

[MACharlie1]

Pwener2313 wrote...

Urdnot Orrad wrote...

I'd like to point out two things: One, Catholicism is simply another sect of Christianity and should not be considered "separate" from Christianity itself. Second, merely saying you believe in God in ME doesn't make you a Christian. It merely means you are monotheistic, because all we can gather from that conversation with Ash is that she believes in a god, apparently called "God" (like the Christian god), but she does not give us any more insight than that.

Anyway, my canon Shep is monotheistic. I'd say he is a Christian like myself, but I suppose merely being a monotheist is enough for this. Now that I think on it, since I do enjoy RPing my Sheps, maybe I should delve a bit more into that bit of his personality?

Catholiscism isn't the same as Christianity, so I put the separately. Furthermore I said "ect." so sorry, but your statement is irrelevant. I don't believe in this "monotheistic" thing (first time I've heard about it. For me, Catholicism is a saparate religion from Christianity, with different beliefs. and I never said that believing in God made you a Christian in ME, don't put words in my mouth.

Um. What? This will probably derail but...you might have to explain that first sentence since it is a widely known fact that Christianity in it's most basic form is the belief in Christ as Messiah/Son of God - whatever form that may take and that is what Catholics believe so...I'm just confused. 

[AngelicMachinery]

Philosophy itself isn't a religion, but, that doesn't necessarily prohibit a religion from being based on the philosophical. As for the whole atheist thing, considering what Shepherd has learned and saw it doesn’t seem a huge leap of logic to move away from any deistic religion. She’s jaded and fighting chthonic horrors from beyond the stars. The choice to accept no religion is just as personal as the choice to accept one.


Also, your whole seperating Catholicism from Christianity is absurd. It's just a different sect of the same religion, the overall beliefs are the same. Truthfully, one could considered Christianity just another sect of Judaism but that's probably going to far in some people's eyes.

[Urdnot Orrad]

AngelicMachinery wrote...

Philosophy itself isn't a religion, but, that doesn't necessarily prohibit a religion from being based on the philosophical. As for the whole atheist thing, considering what Shepherd has learned and saw it doesn’t seem a huge leap of logic to move away from any deistic religion. She’s jaded and fighting chthonic horrors from beyond the stars. The choice to accept no religion is just as personal as the choice to accept one.


Also, your whole seperating Catholicism from Christianity is absurd. It's just a different sect of the same religion, the overall beliefs are the same. Truthfully, one could considered Christianity just another sect of Judaism but that's probably going to far in some people's eyes.

Well, when Christianity started out, it was simply another sect of Judaism. I'm not entirely sure when/how they separated, but they're so so incredibly tied together that it's somewhat irrelevant, methinks.

[Pwener2313]

MACharlie1 wrote...
Um. What? This will probably derail but...you might have to explain that first sentence since it is a widely known fact that Christianity in it's most basic form is the belief in Christ as Messiah/Son of God - whatever form that may take and that is what Catholics believe so...I'm just confused. 

I meant it for myself. i myself, Pwener, don't believe that Christianity is the say as Catholicism only because we believe in the same entity.

[Pwener2313]

Urdnot Orrad wrote...

Edit: I wasn't putting words in your mouth, I was merely reacting to what I read.

No worries, happens all the time in the internetz.

[mereck7980]

Pwener2313 wrote...

AngelicMachinery wrote...

Atheist with a growing interest in The Asari Philosophies (Not sure if that's considered religion though).

No it isn't. Philosophy isn't religion but the understanding of other matters. Religion involves faith which is irrelevant in philosophy studies as far as I know. I can be wrong on that remark, but I doubt it. Also, the religion of your Shepard says a lot about yorself. It's not a matter of playing renegade or paragon but a more indepth matter. You may think it's a nonimportant  thing, but it isn't.

Careful Pwener2313, this statement (which I agree with) is liable to start a VERY heated conversation because only the most devot role players would say their Shep has a different religious affiliation than the faith they adhere to.  Personally, my Shep is agnostic...because I am. 

Also, ME doesn't really utilize faith as one of its major themes (at least not yet).  Aside from the Ash conversation in ME1 and references to the Enkindlers there really aren't any references made to religion.  And I think that this is probably for the best.  If you think Bioware caught flak for a little "side boob" in ME1, it would be nothing compared to the firestorm they would recieve if they tried to include different religous choices for characters in the game. 

[AdmiralCheez]

Ellen: Strong Jewish heritage, no religion, does not believe in the supernatural.

Joanna: No religion, does not believe in the supernatural.

Rowena: No religion, does not believe in the supernatural.

Dick: Raised to believe in God and still does, but has no specific religion.

[AngelicMachinery]

Urdnot Orrad wrote...

Well, when Christianity started out, it was simply another sect of Judaism. I'm not entirely sure when/how they separated, but they're so so incredibly tied together that it's somewhat irrelevant, methinks.

Exactly,  I believe the seperation occured when constantine tried to turn Christ into Apollo myself. 

[The_Illusive]

Chewin3 wrote...

My renegade Shep, well, he thinks he's an immortal God

Fix'd that for you.

He died and came back to life:wizard:

[Reaper Bob]

Well, surely in the ME universe, the reapers are some kind of gods, with their decisions on when species have to die.

[DDG4005]

My Shepard is spiritual because I'm spiritual. I don't conform to any religion or belief system; I just believe in divine intelligence, if you will, that is infathomable and yet accessible.