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[Black-Xero]

My Shepard shares the same beliefs as me.He's an atheist.

[Black Raptor]

Warlocomotf wrote...

Black Raptor wrote...

There is a difference between being proven right and being completely and utterly wrong. Genesis didn't have to have all the scientific formulae written out in full, but it could have done with getting at least something right. 

Besides, you are missing the point. The strength of science lies with its ability to predict future events. Newton looked at the evidence then formulated his theory of gravity that can predict the orbits of planets far into the future. Unfortunately, his theory fell short when trying to predict Mercury's orbit, but Einstiens theory was able to do so. 
They didn't make stuff up to fit the evidence. Their theories work because they can predict. 

It isn't just "X would lead to Y", its "if X leads to Y, then Y leads to Z". If Z is later found to lead on from Y then that theory works. Even though at the time Z had yet to be discovered, the theory based on the evidence XY was able to predict it. 
We are able to use the theory of gravity to predict eclipses far into the future. This isn't simply making stuff fit the evidence. The evidence fits the theory.  

I'd also like to point out that you don't use carbon dating for dinosaur fossils. Carbon dating only works on things that have died in the last 60000 years and ate on the surface (not underwater). Dinosaurs died 65million years ago and their bones no longer contain any carbon.

How can you say they don't make their theories based on existing evidence? That is exactly what they do. And yes, when they're right then the theory will also allow thm to predict future events.

However, proving that a theory correctly explains what we see today does not prove that the theory is what happened in the past, it only proves it's a likely/possible candidate.

As for genesis, genesis more or less exclusively describes what are to be perceived as miracles- miracles should not make scientific sence. As for carbon dating- you're right.

They make hypotheses based on existing evidence. Theories use that evidence to predict. 

Predicting correctly does not automatically prove a theory right. It does show however, that it is at the very least close to the truth. Based on that fact, you can extrapolate into the past. It's not unreasonable to assume that things fall down, will fall down, and have always fallen down due to gravity. 

So basically you are saying Genesis is pointless? What is the use of perceived miracles if they never happened?

[Warlocomotf]

Black Raptor wrote...

They make hypotheses based on existing evidence. Theories use that evidence to predict. 

Predicting correctly does not automatically prove a theory right. It does show however, that it is at the very least close to the truth. Based on that fact, you can extrapolate into the past. It's not unreasonable to assume that things fall down, will fall down, and have always fallen down due to gravity. 

So basically you are saying Genesis is pointless? What is the use of perceived miracles if they never happened?

Here's the thing, while evidence is pretty conclusive that the universe is very old- when it comes to the history of earth you will typically find scientific documents riffled with text along the lines of "Assuming x's theory is true"- the further back you go in history, the more questionable the accuracy becomes.

I'm not saying Genesis is pointless, I'm saying it wouldnt make sense if Genesis made sense.
Genesis however obviously does seemingly have some contradictions to the scientific timeline of earth- most of them however can be explained relatively easily.

[Torhagen]

Warlocomotf wrote...

Torhagen wrote...

Science does way more than observe like the LHC.
Any sufficiently advanced Technology is indistinguishable from magic

I'm not arguing that it's magic, I'm pointing out that we're looking at the evidence and creating theory that matches our evidence. We then (if possible) test if that theory would indeed lead to what we're seeing. A good theory will hold up even when new evidence surfaces, others will often end up either discarded or adjusted over time.

A Theory is proven valid by reproduceable Results not "our" evidence
The LHC was build to prove the existence of a certain particle
If the LHC would disprove the existence of this particle many theories would have to rethought

[Had-to-say]

I find it funny we are discussing the "god particle" in a conversation about religion. A particle that may hold the answers to many mysteries. Science is getting to the point where they will expose god as a quantum magician. It would seem science is ever closer to proving how god could do it, the impossible miraes that is. Man will harness the power to manipulate matter at a sub atomic level and he too will be a god. Science is to me proving god exists just look in the mirror we are god and god is us.
On a side note I was watching a science program about quantum particles that respond to thought. That sounds very god like. Thought does have a physical manifestation in two worlds the physical and the quantum. In the quantum world two things can happen at the same time but also never happen this is more scary than the rapture ever was.

[PnXMarcin1PL]

I'm sure that people will call me blasphemous, etc... but I'm an Aheist, so my Shepard is an Atheist too.

[Had-to-say]

That was miracles that is. Up above I can't edit on iPod touch sorry for typo. God is a scientist conducting a experiment on free will and choice, his greatest creation. I don't speak for god just my belief in what I believe him to be.

[Gill Kaiser]

It's bizarre to me that people still believe those fairytales. The only theistic views I could even consider would be agnostic pantheism or deism, because they subscribe the least to any "god".

Believing that the Bible or any of humanity's religions are remotely accurate is nonsensical.

[Skilled Seeker]

There are enough works of fiction that focus on the fiction that is religion. I don't want ME to go anywhere near it unless its funky alien religions.

[Had-to-say]

I question the religions of the world I don't value anyone in favor over another but I think a god belief may be instinctive of our species. If enough people think something those thoughts may manifest something in the quantum world maybe we created god. Maybe he created us one thing is for sure we don't have half the picture. We are still in the cave.

[Pwener2313]

Skilled Seeker wrote...

There are enough works of fiction that focus on the fiction that is religion. I don't want ME to go anywhere near it unless its funky alien religions.

I think that religion is an important aspect of any good story. We all saw what happened with the Hanar when the Enkindlers were found to not be the first. Mass scandal and chaos, demostrating that religion can become it's own seller, making good stories. I myself wouldn't mind a ME game involving religion. Dead Space has relgion as it's main antagonist (Unitology), and the story is great for it. In my eyes, that game would suck without that crucial element.

[Inquisitor Recon]

I truly love the way topics like these attract atheistic trolls.

[Pwener2313]

ReconTeam wrote...

I truly love the way topics like these attract atheistic trolls.

Don't bash someone else's beliefs. So atheist's are trolls? Cheez is an atheists, is she a troll?

[Inquisitor Recon]

Pwener2313 wrote...
Don't bash someone else's beliefs. So atheist's are trolls? Cheez is an atheists, is she a troll?

The trolls are the ones who come into a topic to say "your religions are BS" like Skilled Seeker, Gill Kaiser, etc.

[Pwener2313]

I haven't seen the whole thread, I left in page 3. Oh well, Im glad it was such a success. Now to think of another one.

[BTG_01]

Pwener2313 wrote...
Religion for humanity seems to have not changed at all in 200 years. From Christianity to Buddhism, humans are as culturally diversed as ever. The only hint to Shepard's religion is made when talking with Ashley in ME1, where the only options are to deny God's existance (Atheism), say you believe in God (Catholic, Christian, ect.) or to play coy and tell Ash to not discuss the topic openly (???).

Maybe somebody brought this up before, but if you pick the "I do too" option when talking with Ashley, Shepard doesn't say anything about believing in God or Christianity, just that he or she's been in a bunch of foxholes and is not an atheist.

[Pwener2313]

BTG_01 wrote...

Maybe somebody brought this up before, but if you pick the "I do too" option when talking with Ashley, Shepard doesn't say anything about believing in God or Christianity, just that he or she's been in a bunch of foxholes and is not an atheist.

I was meaning to mention that, but I did not understand he's statement. I took it as he being an atheist. It really confused me.

[MajesticJazz]

[mereck7980]

MajesticJazz wrote...

So are you trying to get Mike Tyson to join the BSN with this pic? 

[Destroy Raiden_]

Sheps a gaming character so there for he has no religion. I play shep how I want if I am a good person he is and if I'm an ill person he is.

[Gill Kaiser]

ReconTeam wrote...

Pwener2313 wrote...
Don't bash someone else's beliefs. So atheist's are trolls? Cheez is an atheists, is she a troll?

The trolls are the ones who come into a topic to say "your religions are BS" like Skilled Seeker, Gill Kaiser, etc.

Hey, I'm not trolling. I legitimately feel that way. People are free to disagree.

[Flayling]

Religion was a major topic of debate in my livestreams during my mass effect 2 playthrough. I based many of my decisions in game in accordance with my belief in God.  The outcome was both controversial, highly entertaining and extremely thought provoking. Not only did I learn a lot from viewers but I feel they learned a lot from me as well.

[Skilled Seeker]

ReconTeam wrote...

Pwener2313 wrote...
Don't bash someone else's beliefs. So atheist's are trolls? Cheez is an atheists, is she a troll?

The trolls are the ones who come into a topic to say "your religions are BS" like Skilled Seeker, Gill Kaiser, etc.

Truth hurts bro.

[Elite Midget]

My Shepard doesn't fall under any religion though he doesn't mock those that wish to partake on such things. In his view no religion is correct since there are so many and no 'creator' has shown itself to prove any religion right over the others. Thus he stays out of that mess that usually ends up with people bickering instead of just accepting that not everyone believes the same thing.