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[Warlocomotf]

Gill Kaiser wrote...

ReconTeam wrote...

Pwener2313 wrote...
Don't bash someone else's beliefs. So atheist's are trolls? Cheez is an atheists, is she a troll?

The trolls are the ones who come into a topic to say "your religions are BS" like Skilled Seeker, Gill Kaiser, etc.

Hey, I'm not trolling. I legitimately feel that way. People are free to disagree.

Having the opinion that religion is nonsence is fine. Sharing that opinion is also fine.

Having the opinion that any one religious is stupid is.. well fine. However if you decide to post it here then it's nothing but trolling.

[95Headhunter]

I too have a Shepard that follows my own religion.

Discordianism, bros!

Praise be to Eris.

[Gill Kaiser]

I didn't say they were stupid; I don't think that's the case. I just think many of them are indoctrinated and/or never learned critical thinking.

That said, I have much more respect for those who choose a religion after thinking it through and researching all their options. At least then they've made a personal choice of a philosophy.

It's those who don't know why they follow their particular religion, just follow their community or family's religion, and just lap up everything they're told that don't have my respect. Also anyone who interferes with other people due to their religious beliefs. When religion gets in the way of education and science, that's a problem.

This isn't really about Mass Effect though, so I'd better get off my soapbox.

[The_11thDoctor]

I was under the impression that there wasnt much time to get into that subject and having a mention of it at all was risky due to everyone feeling their toes are being stepped on when it comes up. ME1 had 1 mention, but Ash was also a racist and that kept coming up from time to time. Just like other alien groups had it as well as humans. More people can relate to that(racism or wrap their head around that concept). Some see religion as a way to live, some as guild lines or stories to read and pick up life lessons, but may or not follow it and some can't relate at all. All is due to circumstance of your environment and how you are raised, so trying to appeal to any one group can vastly alienate a large part of your audience and make you loose customers if they cant relate or feel uneasy or just get get bored or turned off by it.

The other part to this is Shepard is kind of busy saving the galaxy, trying to live and end anything causing issues for life everywhere, so stopping to talk about religion mid game would just seem awkward and out of place. Then there is the fact that 2 people can believe in the same faith, but have different beliefs on that faith by coming up with different interpretations, so you get further down the rabbit hole... But, there was more religion mentioned in ME2 wasnt there? The Asari faith and about the "finding peace in the embrace of the goddess?", I forget offhand what Samara was and how she was a very high authority, but I believe she was a high religious person right? I might be wrong, it's been a while since I played...

Miranda was getting experimented on as well as Jack and Jack was tortured and made to kill as a child, Tali was Religious as well as her people, Thane was an assasin so no point there, Jacob might have been religious at one time, Garrus is an alien, mordin a alien scientist, Grunt a Krogan, Legion a machine, but religious( the creators this and that...Quarians), so there was no gap in religion in ME2. You just werent paying attention. Maybe if you talk to some human non-soldiers, you'll find more chances to do that in a Action Third Person Shooter RPG, but... Im guessing religion isnt the top of their to do list.
If Im Paragon which I normally am first run or two, I guess Im Christian Shepard in a way... I never really thought of this subject in my RPGs, but if Im Renegade Shep, Im guessing Im not Christian since Ill flip a coin to decide if you die for looking at me the wrong way or just like kicking babies cause it's funny... *grin*

And I thought Reapers were gods? The OP did play ME1-2 right?

Modifié par aang001, 23 avril 2011 - 12:37 .

[jamesp81]

aang001 wrote...

I was under the impression that there wasnt much time to get into that subject and having a mention of it at all was risky due to everyone feeling their toes are being stepped on when it comes up. ME1 had 1 mention, but Ash was also a racist and that kept coming up from time to time. Just like other alien groups had it as well as humans. More people can relate to that(racism or wrap their head around that concept). Some see religion as a way to live, some as guild lines or stories to read and pick up life lessons, but may or not follow it and some can't relate at all. All is due to circumstance of your environment and how you are raised, so trying to appeal to any one group can vastly alienate a large part of your audience and make you loose customers if they cant relate or feel uneasy or just get get bored or turned off by it.

The other part to this is Shepard is kind of busy saving the galaxy, trying to live and end anything causing issues for life everywhere, so stopping to talk about religion mid game would just seem awkward and out of place. Then there is the fact that 2 people can believe in the same faith, but have different beliefs on that faith by coming up with different interpretations, so you get further down the rabbit hole... But, there was more religion mentioned in ME2 wasnt there? The Asari faith and about the "finding peace in the embrace of the goddess?", I forget offhand what Samara was and how she was a very high authority, but I believe she was a high religious person right? I might be wrong, it's been a while since I played...

Miranda was getting experimented on as well as Jack and Jack was tortured and made to kill as a child, Tali was Religious as well as her people, Thane was an assasin so no point there, Jacob might have been religious at one time, Garrus is an alien, mordin a alien scientist, Grunt a Krogan, Legion a machine, but religious( the creators this and that...Quarians), so there was no gap in religion in ME2. You just werent paying attention. Maybe if you talk to some human non-soldiers, you'll find more chances to do that in a Action Third Person Shooter RPG, but... Im guessing religion isnt the top of their to do list.
If Im Paragon which I normally am first run or two, I guess Im Christian Shepard in a way... I never really thought of this subject in my RPGs, but if Im Renegade Shep, Im guessing Im not Christian since Ill flip a coin to decide if you die for looking at me the wrong way or just like kicking babies cause it's funny... *grin*

And I thought Reapers were gods? The OP did play ME1-2 right?

Ash isn't racist, get over it.

[corebit]

What I am surprised is that,
once humanity got first contact with the aliens
the major human religions never experienced any kind of crisis?

Like Christianity and/or Islam would have fallen apart because their entire teachings never considered extraterrestrial life into their equations?

I like how Dead Space is not afraid to explore religion a bit, with Unitologism becoming the major religion when humanity learns to become a spacefaring species.

[mereck7980]

Did anyone by chance name their Shepard "Christian" and then think of him/her as an atheist?

[Gorosaur]

I was always bothered by the claims that Ashley is a "bible thumper". She makes one or two broad statements about God, and never once does she go about trying to change the beliefs of others. I also think her xenophobia has nothing to do with her religion. Oddly, I dont see people complaining about Thane's religion or Tali's faith.

I also played my Shepard as a religious, seeing as I am also a Christian. However, I also agree with statements that by Shepard stating that he beleives in a higher power does not mean he automatically is dumped under Chrsitianity.

Also believe it or not, the Vatican has actually admitted that the existence of extraterrestrial life is a pretty inescapable fact. They also have stated that intelligent life, regardless of belief, would also be offered salvation in the after life.

Just some food for thought.

[Saeran]

corebit wrote...

What I am surprised is that,
once humanity got first contact with the aliens
the major human religions never experienced any kind of crisis?

Like Christianity and/or Islam would have fallen apart because their entire teachings never considered extraterrestrial life into their equations?

I like how Dead Space is not afraid to explore religion a bit, with Unitologism becoming the major religion when humanity learns to become a spacefaring species.

They did suffer a crisis, it's explained in Mass Effect: Revelation.

[Dazaster Dellus]

I think Mass Effect is the sequel to Dragon Age. Did anyone else notice that in ME 1 there were a few mentions of "The Maker"?

[Torhagen]

Warlocomotf wrote...

Lukertin wrote...

For the record the only times in history people have done incredibly horrible things over religious conviction started directly with (either because of or as a direct result of) monotheism.  Before that nobody cared, and they all recognized each other's gods as the same gods under different names and mythologies and accepted it.

Simply not true, monotheism far predates christianity (by about 5000-8000 years).

apply evidence here

[g-w-m]

Saeran wrote...

corebit wrote...

What I am surprised is that,
once humanity got first contact with the aliens
the major human religions never experienced any kind of crisis?

Like Christianity and/or Islam would have fallen apart because their entire teachings never considered extraterrestrial life into their equations?

I like how Dead Space is not afraid to explore religion a bit, with Unitologism becoming the major religion when humanity learns to become a spacefaring species.

They did suffer a crisis, it's explained in Mass Effect: Revelation.

Agreed.

[corporal doody]

i like the asari siari faith. got a buddhist feel to it.

[sponge56]

Torhagen wrote...

Warlocomotf wrote...

Lukertin wrote...

For the record the only times in history people have done incredibly horrible things over religious conviction started directly with (either because of or as a direct result of) monotheism.  Before that nobody cared, and they all recognized each other's gods as the same gods under different names and mythologies and accepted it.

Simply not true, monotheism far predates christianity (by about 5000-8000 years).

apply evidence here

If you are questioning the evidence of  monotheism predating christianity then an example is Judaism. However if you are instead asking for evidence of monotheism being in some way 'dangerous' then an example would be the interchangeability of the Roman and Greek Gods, Rome simply adopted some of the Greek and even ancient British Gods because they believed that the Greeks and Britons were worshipping the same Gods as theirs, or that the Gods they were worshipping existed and were at that time not known to Roman religion.

[Urdnot Orrad]

sponge56 wrote...

Torhagen wrote...

Warlocomotf wrote...

Lukertin wrote...

For the record the only times in history people have done incredibly horrible things over religious conviction started directly with (either because of or as a direct result of) monotheism.  Before that nobody cared, and they all recognized each other's gods as the same gods under different names and mythologies and accepted it.

Simply not true, monotheism far predates christianity (by about 5000-8000 years).

apply evidence here

If you are questioning the evidence of  monotheism predating christianity then an example is Judaism. However if you are instead asking for evidence of monotheism being in some way 'dangerous' then an example would be the interchangeability of the Roman and Greek Gods, Rome simply adopted some of the Greek and even ancient British Gods because they believed that the Greeks and Britons were worshipping the same Gods as theirs, or that the Gods they were worshipping existed and were at that time not known to Roman religion.

But that's... polytheism, not... monotheism...

[corporal doody]

Akhenaten tried to implement monotheism during his reign as pharaoh...but upon his death in 1330 b.c.e. they nixed it!! most preferred polytheism. one thing about religion...greatest form of social stratification ever created! especially when used to validate the position of rulers

Modifié par corporal doody, 25 avril 2011 - 11:04 .

[sponge56]

Urdnot Orrad wrote...

sponge56 wrote...

Torhagen wrote...

Warlocomotf wrote...

Lukertin wrote...

For the record the only times in history people have done incredibly horrible things over religious conviction started directly with (either because of or as a direct result of) monotheism.  Before that nobody cared, and they all recognized each other's gods as the same gods under different names and mythologies and accepted it.

Simply not true, monotheism far predates christianity (by about 5000-8000 years).

apply evidence here

If you are questioning the evidence of  monotheism predating christianity then an example is Judaism. However if you are instead asking for evidence of monotheism being in some way 'dangerous' then an example would be the interchangeability of the Roman and Greek Gods, Rome simply adopted some of the Greek and even ancient British Gods because they believed that the Greeks and Britons were worshipping the same Gods as theirs, or that the Gods they were worshipping existed and were at that time not known to Roman religion.

But that's... polytheism, not... monotheism...

I know, I did'nt word it very well.  I was giving evidence as to how polytheism could be seen as less destructive than monotheism, as it allows God's to be interchanged rather than monotheism where its just one God so any one with a different opinion about the attributes of that God are wrong.

[corporal doody]

Lukertin wrote...

For the record the only times in history people have done incredibly horrible things over religious conviction started directly with (either because of or as a direct result of) monotheism. Before that nobody cared, and they all recognized each other's gods as the same gods under different names and mythologies and accepted it.

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this is the funniest thing ive read in awhile. thank you.

[Anacronian Stryx]

My Shepard is a firm believer in Explosotheism...because lets face it, everywhere he looks things go Boom.

[corporal doody]

Anacronian Stryx wrote...

My Shepard is a firm believer in Explosotheism...because lets face it, everywhere he looks things go Boom.

i like that!


like meatwad once said.....everybody hates me because they either die or get hurt!

Modifié par corporal doody, 25 avril 2011 - 11:14 .

[Hydralisk]

ModestmeNTaLmogul wrote...

My Shepard is a Mesozoic Christian,Raptor Jesus is the messiah...

ancient Christianity long before Human Jesus is born...

All my Shepards have now offically converted to your religion.

[android654]

AngelicMachinery wrote...

Atheist with a growing interest in The Asari Philosophies (Not sure if that's considered religion though).

I agree, that'd be a cool way of looking at the new universe post-contact. Also, by that point in human existence, I'd think religion would be a fringe practice. Ashley kind of made it feel that way when asking Shep's opinion of her faith.

[Foehunter82]

jamesp81 wrote...


Ash isn't racist, get over it.

I used to think that same thing.  I played ME1 recently, and had Ash in my squad while walking around the Presidium.  While doing so, she said something like, "I can't tell the aliens from the animals."

It's odd how Miranda, who you would presume to be racist, or close to it, never says anything like that, and yet Ash goes on her, "Cerberus is extremist" routine after making a racial remark in ME.

[lolwut666]

Foehunter82 wrote...

jamesp81 wrote...


Ash isn't racist, get over it.

I used to think that same thing.  I played ME1 recently, and had Ash in my squad while walking around the Presidium.  While doing so, she said something like, "I can't tell the aliens from the animals."

It's odd how Miranda, who you would presume to be racist, or close to it, never says anything like that, and yet Ash goes on her, "Cerberus is extremist" routine after making a racial remark in ME.

Yeah, because words really mean more than actions.

Miranda doesn't say that, but she is down for enslaving rachni, creepers and husks, and making humanity the dominant force in the galaxy by force, if necessary.

She probably meant how the aliens look like earth animals (Keepers = insects, Turians = birds/reptiles, Krogan = turtles), etc.

It's ignorant and offensive, but to say that she is a human extremist just because of that is an exaggeration.

[Foehunter82]

I'm willing to give Miranda the benefit of the doubt, considering that TIM may not reveal everything to her.  She does not pull the strings in Cerberus, after all.

I didn't call Ash extremist.  I called her racist.  And I was also pointing out that she falls into that category of religious dogma of wanting to judge but not be judged by others.

The point I'm making here is that the characters are inconsistent.  Miranda should be the one throwing around racial slurs, and Ash should be the stone cold killer Miranda was at the start of ME2.

Anyway, Ash just came off as racist at that moment, and all my previous thoughts about her were completely destroyed.  I don't know.  I may start another thread to focus on the Ash vs. Miranda debate.

Modifié par Foehunter82, 25 avril 2011 - 06:03 .