289 réponses à ce sujet

[lolwut666]

jamesp81 wrote...

Ash isn't racist, get over it.

She is racist, but not nearly as much a her haters make her out to be.

It's like how, when you travel to a foreign country, the locals sometimes don't treat you very well. It's a social, cultural thing that cannot be easily overcome, and has to be dealt with. It's wrong, yes, but it can't be helped, and that doesn't mean that they are extremists out to kill you.

Modifié par lolwut666, 25 avril 2011 - 05:50 .

[GarrusKrios]

My Shepard is an orthodox Jew. Just can't see his yarmulke under his N7 helmet. He also doesn't romance/ have sex in the games because he's so faithful to his Jewish wife back on Earth .

The Mass Effect games can be taken as meaningful by anyone of virtually any affiliation or belief. Obviously there's Judeo-Christian themes in the game, most likely because most or at least many of the writers and creators adhere to an Abrahamic faith, at least to some extent. But there is not an overabundance of Judeo-Chistian references so as not to alienate players of other faiths. The fact that Shepard is named "Shepard" is an obvious example of a Judeo-Christian theme, for example. In the Bible, G-d tests his prophets by making them shepherds, and so virtually every important leader is shepherd, with some exceptions.

The fact that morality is so important is very religious, but not necessarily linked to one religion, but rather common ideas across all mainstream faiths. The morality can be seen in a secular or spiritual light as well, again, this human morality transcends belief systems.

The theme of "does the end justify the means?" is the same; its a common debated concept in religion, but not just one religion.

The religions of the different races are all very comparable to human religions, and are certainly compatable with them. The turain spirits are a like a pantheistic animistic Buddhism, the asari siari is essentially Hindu panthiesm... the list goes on. According to the Mass Effect universe, religion is just like on Earth: varied, but with common meanings and themes. Namely, love, unity, selflessness, forgiveness and faith.

TL, DR: Religion in Mass Effect is omnipresent in very subtle ways to be interpreted by the player. The different faiths in the game express a wider version of our varied spiritualities on Earth, help us understand the different peoples, and give meaning to the game.

[Ploppytheman]

My Shephard is Amish, ah yeh I win.

Milky Way Trail
Your wagon hits a crater hole. Joker broke his legs. Joker died.

Only small minded athiests would think that because aliens and other relgions exists means God couldn't exist. You'd think an expansive universe with even more questions would show an athiest how little they know about anything, but instead they just continue in their athiest zealot mode of "lol skydaddy", sad really.

I dont play for paragon or renegade because a lot paragon decisions are not only stupid or wrong, but immoral.

Modifié par Ploppytheman, 28 janvier 2013 - 06:30 .

[Ploppytheman]

lolwut666 wrote...

jamesp81 wrote...

Ash isn't racist, get over it.

She is racist, but not nearly as much a her haters make her out to be.

It's like how, when you travel to a foreign country, the locals sometimes don't treat you very well. It's a social, cultural thing that cannot be easily overcome, and has to be dealt with. It's wrong, yes, but it can't be helped, and that doesn't mean that they are extremists out to kill you.

Aliens are aliens and not worth being trusted esp how they treat humans and each other. You would be a fool to put "racism" ahead of reality. This isnt some feminized western workplace where everyones feelings matter and you make sure to include everyone and say "happy holidays" instead of merry christmas. These aliens commit genocide against each other and have a ton of wars and all sorts of crap. And if they don't think you are working with them then they use the State to kill you (like all liberals using the state for force, maybe a little soveriegnty is a good things, pun intended). The only real difference between the council and the geth is "these people will smile at you while stabbing you in the back".

Sure bioware wants to give that feeling with adding homosexual propaganda to their games and letting women be combat soldiers/leaders/scientists (or they are bullied, lol I know that word, into doing it because they dont want to get sued by a femi**** or gaystapo and they look edge and progressive so they sell more copies) but its not reality. Maybe if you are roleplaying a PC universe where everyone is equal and aliens are really just a different color skin then ok fine, shes racist.

But in reality shes not. And most of the renegade choices are the right moral choices and even if they are not you are given soveriegnty to make those decisions as a spector for better or for worse, by the council, because the council realizes at least that beauracracy and PC nonsense doesn't get things done but keeps the idiot masses subdued.

Modifié par Ploppytheman, 28 janvier 2013 - 06:40 .

[GarrusKrios]

Ploppytheman wrote...


Only small minded athiests would think that because aliens and other relgions exists means God couldn't exist. You'd think an expansive universe with even more questions would show an athiest how little they know about anything, but instead they just continue in their athiest zealot mode of "lol skydaddy", sad really.

I dont play for paragon or renegade because a lot paragon decisions are not only stupid or wrong, but immoral.

On your two things:

I 100% agree that the existence of other life outside of earth doesn't invalidate religion, nor does it invalidate G-d. My religion, right now, currently acknowledges that chances are there is life, and life with souls for that matter (aka, life that can speak, has irrational emotions, spirituality, etc.) and so it is very easy for me to embrace Mass Effect in a religious way.

You're also right that paragon isn't always moral and renegade is always immoral. Paragon is more with the approach of "save whatever you can, no matter the consequences, and the ends do NOT justify the means." Renegade is more of "do whatever you can to ensure victory in the long run, be mindful of consequences, and that it is often nessesary to do something aparently immoral for the greater good, ie, the ends DO justify the means."

While Paragon is often more moral, it is certainly not always so. To avoid spoilers I won't go into details, but I think everyone knows what I mean.

[Croc484]

 My Shepard is Messianic Jewish. 

[Russett]

Varies. Always Christian, but one character can be devout and have her choices reflect that, and another can be a nominal Christian, and Christian principles have no affect on her behavior.

[ScorLibran]

Philosophy is the search for meaning in any context. Religion has its philosophies, as do many non-religious contexts.

As an explorer of the universe, my Shepard is not superstitious. For him, fact trumps myth every time. Actually, I should say "my Shepards", for I have many. I keep a spreadsheet with all the characters I've created, along with how many games they've completed, their classes, specializations, bonus talents, histories, etc. But when it comes to the exploration of knowledge, all my Shepards are the same, and like me.

Science hasn't provide all the answers in the universe, but it has provided many of them. Saying "religion hasn't provided any answers" is irrelevant, though. Comparing science to religion is like comparing knowledge to fear.

Religion's purview isn't to provide answers for the physical universe. It was invented by mankind as a fear-based control mechanism for the human community. "Pledge your obedience or your soul will burn." And obedience brings the greatest profit and power of all. Just look at the profit and power of religion throughout history for easy proof of this.

In Mass Effect, my Shepard knows that religion wasn't just invented by mankind, but by all sentient species. In fact, it's not accurate to say it was "invented". The business model associated with religion is invented, of course, but the power gained by the inducement of fear is as inevitably DISCOVERED by any sentient race as fire or the wheel.

As I do, my Shepards respect that religion is the second oldest business model in history, and by far, the most successful. The first was formed when a woman discovered that she could get stuff for spreading her legs. That turned out to be quite a successful business model, too, but it doesn't even approach religion's level of success, simply because fear is far more powerful than desire.

I respect and envy religion greatly. If my real-life business could attain one percent of one percent of religion's success, then I could retire in a month. When I talk to a religious person about religion, I do it as one business person to another - nothing more, nothing less. And I always confer a great deal of respect to them for their business's success far exceeding my own.

My Shepards feel just the same way about all of this. They aren't religious, but they have great respect for religion, and the power and control it has generated throughout the ages.

Modifié par ScorLibran, 22 mars 2013 - 11:50 .

[samgrave]

Is Garrus a Buddhist? I'm asking since Turians are considered open towards Buddhism as a religion and Garrus is for all intents and purposes "pro-human", I was wondering if he had converted to the "human religion" too? He does mention "Turian heaven" in ME III, whioch would suggest that he has not, since 1. Buddhists don't believe in heaven that way. 2. Why would he mention a "Turian heaven" he does not believe in?.

Modifié par samgrave, 31 mars 2013 - 02:06 .

[Lparsons7641]

 My Shepard is like me...........an Astaru pagan

But he acts more like the ideals presented and strived for in the Sikh faith to be honest

[Ryris]

My female Shepard believes in the Drell deities due to romancing Thane and wanting to meet Thane across the sea. I'm personally agnostic in real life.

[GarrusKrios]

samgrave wrote...

Is Garrus a Buddhist? I'm asking since Tutians are considered open towards Buddhism as a religion and Garrus is for all intents and purposes "pro-human", I was wondering if he had converted to the "human religion" too? He does mention "Turian heaven" in ME III, whioch would suggest that he has not, since 1. Buddhists don't believe in heaven that way. 2. Why would he mention a "Turian heaven" he does not believe in?.

I don't think Garrus is a Buddhist, rather he follows the Turian mainstream religion. This religion seems to be pantheistic in that the universe has a united essence, as does each smaller part of it.

The Turian religion is most likely similar to Buddhism, especially because of its focus on meditation. However, it is its own religion. It believes in the afterlife, as Garrus mentions, but not in nonviolence (the Turians do like their military).

Garrus actually seems pretty devout in his faith. His strict moral code, in which the morally correct thing must always come first despite rules and regulations, fits with the Turian religion. Their moral code is so strict, if one commits murder, they usually confess because dishonesty is so immoral. He only mentions his religion a few times (like when you speak to him last) but then again, so does Ashley.

[Death689God]

For me, Shepard is a Non-Practicing Polytheist. Raised Asatru(Norse-Paganism), but Eclectic. Sees the gods as kind of Metaphysical Aliens. She veiws the fact that the majority of aliens had Polytheistic past faiths, and that such a diversity in beliefs exists, as proof that IF there is something more, there's probably A LOT of something more, and that something more likely doesn't have any cohesion.

This is drawn from my own conclusions on how I feel the state of religious belief would be in the ME universe. Today we have growing secularism in progressive nations, yet faith still exists, it's mostly being marginalized in extremity though. Everything's undergoing a sort of "Agnostifying" so to speak. There's been studies showing that belief may be coded into us genetically, that it has sort of been bred into us, as such I think it will stick around though it probably won't be something talked about openly. More of a personal thing, with people not trying to convert others... Why polytheist? Well, as I said it seems to make the most sense given the state of the universe, and old faiths are comming back (and sticking around) today. There's a rather large (and growing) Neo-Pagan movement.
I think given the stimuli that the mass effect universe provides, coupled with the nature of humans, I think Polytheism is probably quite present in the ME universe. (Which could easily add to the "One True God" followers, like Ash, hesitance)

[Larry-3]

My Shepard is Catholic like me. In fact the majority of all my Shepard's are based of me to some extent. One time I made one of my Shepard's have a face that was similar to mine and he was Earth-born. His morality was not perfect -- 70p/30 -- but in the ending he save some lives because that is what mattered to him.