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[atheelogos]

Ramirez Wolfen wrote...

Are we allowed to discuss religion here?

Religion within the ME universe yes.

[Torhagen]

Why is this needed ?

[atheelogos]

Torhagen wrote...

Why is this needed ?

If you don't think its needed don't post within the thread.... simple

[AngelicMachinery]

Torhagen wrote...

Why is this needed ?

Why is it not needed? 

[Urdnot Orrad]

Torhagen wrote...

Why is this needed ?

Why is anything needed? Chew on that.

But nah, it's not so much needed, it's just that I don't think people have given such a topic much thought, and that's likely why it's here.

[Torhagen]

Urdnot Orrad wrote...

Torhagen wrote...

Why is this needed ?

Why is anything needed? Chew on that.

But nah, it's not so much needed, it's just that I don't think people have given such a topic much thought, and that's likely why it's here.

interesting three responses in a Minutes and this the only one that makes sense (to me at least )

Modifié par Torhagen, 19 avril 2011 - 09:10 .

[BadgerladDK]

Let's just say every playthrough has had me telling Ash she can believe what she wants, it's in the alliance charter... and I've shut down the preaching Hanar on the citadel on those playthroughs as well. Other than that, I'm not touching religion on a game forum with a ten foot pole.

[Jedi Master of Orion]

I can't imagine religion will be much different in Mass Effect's universe. It's development is part of human nature. And since the aliens have their own religions I don't see why humans would be the only ones to have theirs decline. They aren't really that different from ours. The Asari even have a monotheist religion of their own.

I also don't see why the existence of alien religions would invalidate Christianity. How is it any different from the non christian religions on Earth?

There are many references to religion still in Mass Effect. Ash's comments don't necessarily prove that theism is gone yet.

Kate Bowman's father is a Revered for example. And the Cerberus Daily News mentions the Pope.

[Urdnot Orrad]

Jedi Master of Orion wrote...

I can't imagine religion will be much different in Mass Effect's universe. It's development is part of human nature. And since the aliens have their own religions I don't see why humans would be the only ones to have theirs decline. They aren't really that different from ours. The Asari even have a monotheist religion of their own.

I also don't see why the existence of alien religions would invalidate Christianity. How is it any different from the non christian religions on Earth?

There are many references to religion still in Mass Effect. Ash's comments don't necessarily prove that theism is gone yet.

Kate Bowman's father is a Revered for example. And the Cerberus Daily News mentions the Pope.

Ah, you're correct there. I don't have XBL, so I wouldn't know about the Cerberus Network reporting that stuff. Also, nice to see a fellow Jedi on the forums. xD

[ArmedChimp]

My Shepard is a proud pastafarian.

[M8DMAN]

My Shepard is Christian but he doesn't belong to any particular sect. My other Shepard is a Theist.

Modifié par M8DMAN, 19 avril 2011 - 09:36 .

[Halfdan The Menace]

Sphynx118 wrote...

ModestmeNTaLmogul wrote...

My Shepard is a Mesozoic Christian,Raptor Jesus is the messiah...

ancient Christianity long before Human Jesus is born...

My shep aswell. The least i could do for the messiah. After all, he went extinct for our sins

Poor guy...but he'll be back soon with Human Jesus!!

[Saeran]

Jedi Master of Orion wrote...

I can't imagine religion will be much different in Mass Effect's universe. It's development is part of human nature. And since the aliens have their own religions I don't see why humans would be the only ones to have theirs decline. They aren't really that different from ours. The Asari even have a monotheist religion of their own.

I also don't see why the existence of alien religions would invalidate Christianity. How is it any different from the non christian religions on Earth?

There are many references to religion still in Mass Effect. Ash's comments don't necessarily prove that theism is gone yet.

Kate Bowman's father is a Revered for example. And the Cerberus Daily News mentions the Pope.

You're right, religion does still exist in the ME universe. However it does state in Ascension that when Prothean Technology was discovered ALL Human religions were rocked to the core and are still in Shepard's time trying to pick up the pieces.

[Si-Shen]

Saeran wrote...

You're right, religion does still exist in the ME universe. However it does state in Ascension that when Prothean Technology was discovered ALL Human religions were rocked to the core and are still in Shepard's time trying to pick up the pieces.

Aye, wasn't there a description of the state of religion in one of the ME novels?  If I am not mistaken this ^^ is pretty much the result of the Prothean Tech.  I think it even mentions the rise and fall of some cults, even going so far as to say that some religions on earth deny the existance of the tech, of aliens, etc.  Other then that, I don't recall specifics.

[Gill Kaiser]

From Ashley's comments and the codex I'm pretty sure that theism has waned by the 2180s.

As for my Shepards? They're practical, logical atheists, like me.

[Bookman230]

My Shep is an atheist(like me) and because of that he spares all the lives he can, because he wants us all to make the best of our one life.

[Relix28]

Can't really say much about it, since not much is know about human beliefs in ME universe. There are a couple of references to Christianity like project Lazarus and Legion, but that's about it.

[Soahfreako]

Atheism is a very broad term. There's a wide variety of atheists, I belonging to the group that simply lacks the belief of a god. Meaning we don't believe there is one, but we don't necessarily believe there isn't one. Very confusing, I know. But if the OP is going to use the term atheism at least get the right genre of it.

[Dante Angelo]

Soahfreako wrote...

Atheism is a very broad term. There's a wide variety of atheists, I belonging to the group that simply lacks the belief of a god. Meaning we don't believe there is one, but we don't necessarily believe there isn't one. Very confusing, I know. But if the OP is going to use the term atheism at least get the right genre of it.

Isn't that called being Agnostic

[Eterna]

In my Mass effect world I like to believe that all Religion is dead.

[R3c0nn4155nc3]

Is it possible to even view religion Objectively? Or even agrue it objectively?

[Nashiktal]

Dante Angelo wrote...

Soahfreako wrote...

Atheism is a very broad term. There's a wide variety of atheists, I belonging to the group that simply lacks the belief of a god. Meaning we don't believe there is one, but we don't necessarily believe there isn't one. Very confusing, I know. But if the OP is going to use the term atheism at least get the right genre of it.

Isn't that called being Agnostic

Kinda, not a direct definition, but Agnosticism can be applied here.

However Agnosticism is not a religion itself, nor a religion orientation. Its more of a philosophy. Agnosticism is the seperation of belief and knowledge.

For example, you can be an Agnostic Christian. (Christian-Agnostic to be more precise) or an Atheist-Agnostic.

And despite what some people might claim, you can't be Agnostic by itself.

I don't know = Athiest-Agnostic

Modifié par Nashiktal, 20 avril 2011 - 12:04 .

[Warlocomotf]

2kgnsiika wrote...

But in a materialistic universe there is nothing but matter. According to a materialistic world view, a bunch of particles and their movements are your thoughts and memories. Of course, this isn't the same as saying that such things can be artificially restored or reproduced, so you do have a point.

I don't think the difficulty would be in restoring functionality, it would be in memory. Unless you know Shepard's exact memories; how are you going to restore the neurons and everything in the correct place (as to reproduce the actual memory). Even if you re-use Shepard's brain tissue, there would be damage to it, and by extension damage to your memory, without knowing the original memories they could not be reconstructed.

As for the "Has been in heaven/hell, so he knows" issue- assuming memory is actually stored in the brain, memory of having been in heaven/hell, would not exist. Ofcourse, there remains the question of what's going to happen to whatever representation of your person it is that was sent to heaven/hell, does it remain and later duplicated when you die again? Is it taken back out?

On the topic of "terrible things are happening, so it can't be true"- you're argueing relativity to the infinite. Not only that, but you're argueing a relative state from personal experience, if you would attach a number on a scale of 1 - 100 to what you would call "terrible evil"- you would impose that exact same "score" on a "lesser evil" in a universe in which the worst evils have been avoided by a God being, this is because your definition of 'terrible' is shaped by your experience and your perspective.  Given "less evil" experience your perspective on what classifies as "terrible" would not be removed, it would be adjusted.

[Golden Owl]

My Shep is an Animist like myself....He takes the narrowly defined references to sentient beings with a grain of salt...not his place to preach his own concepts.... Will not be party to the suggestion of using Varren in genophage experiments. His philosophical concepts despite his Animism, gives him no trouble in accepting that the Geth are evolving souls...aka...there is no such thing as un-natural material.

[Grymgris]

I think that organised religion would have a pretty hard time surviving space travel and all the stuff you find out there, for one example there are planets with the remains of millions of years old civilizations, would be pretty hard to explain that with any earth religion, i mean they had it bad enough with the whole "the earth i not flat" or "the center of the universe" thing  .

And most religions state that humans were created in the image of god, all the aliens pretty much f*cks that up 

And the whole thing with Ash being religious, i don`t remember her stating that she is religious, just that she belives in "god", and that`s not the same as being religious, being religious means that you belive in a very specific god and living your live in a certain way according to that religion, just beliving in god does`nt make you religious.

Sooo basically what i think is that organised religion is pretty much dead, or about to die out, but that it is still room for more open belief in god without the whole "live your life like this or go to hell" thingy.