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[didymos1120]

Ramirez Wolfen wrote...

That's taken from the site rules. I don't think we are allowed to.

If those topics are being related to the games, then they're allowed.  If they stray too far into real-world debates, then the mods will close them down.  IOW, let them worry about it.

[Warlocomotf]

Grymgris wrote...

I think that organised religion would have a pretty hard time surviving space travel and all the stuff you find out there, for one example there are planets with the remains of millions of years old civilizations, would be pretty hard to explain that with any earth religion, i mean they had it bad enough with the whole "the earth i not flat" or "the center of the universe" thing  .

And most religions state that humans were created in the image of god, all the aliens pretty much f*cks that up 

And the whole thing with Ash being religious, i don`t remember her stating that she is religious, just that she belives in "god", and that`s not the same as being religious, being religious means that you belive in a very specific god and living your live in a certain way according to that religion, just beliving in god does`nt make you religious.

Sooo basically what i think is that organised religion is pretty much dead, or about to die out, but that it is still room for more open belief in god without the whole "live your life like this or go to hell" thingy.

The earth being flat or center of the universe? Religion does not contradict either of those, theyre not difficult.

Alien species are also not difficult. Old universe is slightly difficult, but it simply means the universe was created with a past (which- if you're creating a universe, actually makes sense).

FTL could be difficult...
Fly 3000 light years from earth at FTL speed, place mirror- look at history Granted you'd probably never get a clear picture, but hypothetically possible

[Grymgris]

Warlocomotf wrote...

Grymgris wrote...

I think that organised religion would have a pretty hard time surviving space travel and all the stuff you find out there, for one example there are planets with the remains of millions of years old civilizations, would be pretty hard to explain that with any earth religion, i mean they had it bad enough with the whole "the earth i not flat" or "the center of the universe" thing  .

And most religions state that humans were created in the image of god, all the aliens pretty much f*cks that up 

And the whole thing with Ash being religious, i don`t remember her stating that she is religious, just that she belives in "god", and that`s not the same as being religious, being religious means that you belive in a very specific god and living your live in a certain way according to that religion, just beliving in god does`nt make you religious.

Sooo basically what i think is that organised religion is pretty much dead, or about to die out, but that it is still room for more open belief in god without the whole "live your life like this or go to hell" thingy.

The earth being flat or center of the universe? Religion does not contradict either of those, theyre not difficult.

Maybe you should take some history lessons?

[HeliusOD]

what do you mean they use the dragon age religion remember the scientists in the camp on eden prime she says thank the maker lol

[Bogsnot1]

String theory is proof of the Flying Spaghetti Monster.
Pastafarianism is real.

May you be touched by his noodly appendage.

[didymos1120]

HeliusOD wrote...

what do you mean they use the dragon age religion remember the scientists in the camp on eden prime she says thank the maker lol

That's a reference to Star Wars. It's identical to one of C-3PO's lines in the original movie, and it's spoken in somewhat similar circumstances.

Modifié par didymos1120, 20 avril 2011 - 02:10 .

[billybobjones]

Pwener2313 wrote...

Urdnot Orrad wrote...

I'd like to point out two things: One, Catholicism is simply another sect of Christianity and should not be considered "separate" from Christianity itself. Second, merely saying you believe in God in ME doesn't make you a Christian. It merely means you are monotheistic, because all we can gather from that conversation with Ash is that she believes in a god, apparently called "God" (like the Christian god), but she does not give us any more insight than that.

Anyway, my canon Shep is monotheistic. I'd say he is a Christian like myself, but I suppose merely being a monotheist is enough for this. Now that I think on it, since I do enjoy RPing my Sheps, maybe I should delve a bit more into that bit of his personality?

Catholiscism isn't the same as Christianity, so I put the separately. Furthermore I said "ect." so sorry, but your statement is irrelevant. I don't believe in this "monotheistic" thing (first time I've heard about it. For me, Catholicism is a saparate religion from Christianity, with different beliefs. and I never said that believing in God made you a Christian in ME, don't put words in my mouth.

"A Christian (help·info) is a person who adheres to Christianity, an Abrahamic, monotheistic religion based on the life and teachings of Jesus of Nazareth as recorded in the Canonical gospels and the letters of the New Testament. "Christian" derives from the Greek word Christ, a translation of the Hebrew term Messiah.[1]
Central to the Christian faith is love or Agape. Christians also believe Jesus is the Messiah prophesied in the Hebrew Bible, the Son of God, and the savior of mankind from their sins.[2] Most Christians believe in the doctrine of the Trinity ("tri-unity"), a description of God as Father, Son, and Holy Spirit, which retains the monotheistic belief of Christianity's Abrahamic heritage through an ineffable confluence."



Sorry, but this isn't a "well in my opinion..." situation. Catholicism is part of Christianity.

[o Amadeus o]

If you lived in a galxy where you could travel thousands of light years in a few hours, lift people in the air, and be brought back to life after death, would you believe in god? Keep in mind, that humans brought you back to life, with modern medicine, something that standard religion teachings say is impossible.

So, my shep dosent.

Do I believe that ME3 could have a greater focus on religion? Absolutely

Maybe the Reapers are the futuristic version of Noah's flood, god is using them to destroy non believers. But that is just silly

[William Adama]

didymos1120 wrote...

HeliusOD wrote...

what do you mean they use the dragon age religion remember the scientists in the camp on eden prime she says thank the maker lol

That's a reference to Star Wars. It's identical to one of C-3PO's lines in the original movie, and it's spoken in somewhat similar circumstances.

No, you're wrong.

C3PO is a machine that knows it was built by someone, that is who he is referring to. The Eden Prime scientist is referring to her maker, and seeing that no human thanks their mom/dad for their creation, they are referring to the higher power.

Modifié par William Adama, 20 avril 2011 - 03:29 .

[William Adama]

Bioware needs to keep away from human religions when they make games as spirituality is VERY important to most people, and everyone has their own version.

One question though, why does the existence of aliens impact religion? I never understood the assumption that if aliens made contact with humans, religion would be impacted. What do the 2 have to do with eachother?

What if aliens came to Earth with the belief in a higher power also?

I find it humorous that people associate negative correlations of intelligence with spirituality... Why then do the VAST majority of physicians believe in a higher power? Doctors are the smartest of the undergrad cohort in EVERY field of science, while people who become professors are one-trick dogs (they were only good at 1 thing). 

Professor (Phd's) = hyper specialized experts in one narrow field of a science

Physicians (MD's) = Masters of all sciences

I don't think anyone would choose professor over physician as a profession...

So whenever someone says, "Dr. X has 5 phd's in quantum theory doesnt believe in any higher power," my brain turns off.

Albert Einstein, Sir Isaac Newton, Charles Blaise Pascal (to name a few) all believed in a higher power, and these individuals are HISTORICALLY profound science revolutionists. I find that ironic that our greatest minds were all the antithesis of expected spiritual belief.

If aliens are capable of inventing transgalatic travel, they obviously have a stronger grasp of the physical world as a whole... doesn't that imply a greater sense of spirituality in such beings? Maybe a more complex deity than anything humanity has come up with?

I find it humourous that all the aliens in Mass effect are just as stupid as humans (yes, even the Reapers).

Modifié par William Adama, 20 avril 2011 - 03:51 .

[didymos1120]

William Adama wrote...

didymos1120 wrote...

HeliusOD wrote...

what do you mean they use the dragon age religion remember the scientists in the camp on eden prime she says thank the maker lol

That's a reference to Star Wars. It's identical to one of C-3PO's lines in the original movie, and it's spoken in somewhat similar circumstances.

No, you're wrong.

C3PO is a machine that knows it was built by someone, that is who he is referring to. The Eden Prime scientist is referring to her maker, and seeing that no human thanks their mom/dad for their creation, they are referring to the higher power.

Uh, no, it's verbatim dialogue from ANH.  And by similar circumstances I meant "Protagonist walks into fairly small, enclosed space.  Character hiding in there exclaims 'Oh, thank the Maker!' upon seeing who it is."  What you're talking about...aren't really "circumstances".

Modifié par didymos1120, 20 avril 2011 - 03:42 .

[JeffZero]

William Adama wrote...

Bioware needs to keep away from human religions when they make games as spirituality is VERY important to most people, and everyone has their own version.

Funny you should be saying that with a name like William Adama. Then again, I guess nuBSG's stuff is more collaborative than any individual religion, but still. I thought it was kind of ironic. (No offense intended.)

[R3c0nn4155nc3]

How many christians here does not want stem cell research to go through and how many are more realistic and do?
How many religious people would prefer if science never eached this point?
How many religious people says that science is the work of god?
How many religious people use god to explain everything?
How many religious people deny history because it is an affront to their gods?

Just questions, answer if you want, I am just curious. I WILL judge but I'll be keeping my opinions to myself.

[didymos1120]

R3c0nn4155nc3 wrote...

Just questions, answer if you want, I am just curious. I WILL judge but I'll be keeping my opinions to myself.

No, don't answer.  That will get the thread locked, and they are completely irrelevant to the role of religion in ME.

[William Adama]

didymos1120 wrote...

William Adama wrote...

didymos1120 wrote...

HeliusOD wrote...

what do you mean they use the dragon age religion remember the scientists in the camp on eden prime she says thank the maker lol

That's a reference to Star Wars. It's identical to one of C-3PO's lines in the original movie, and it's spoken in somewhat similar circumstances.

No, you're wrong.

C3PO is a machine that knows it was built by someone, that is who he is referring to. The Eden Prime scientist is referring to her maker, and seeing that no human thanks their mom/dad for their creation, they are referring to the higher power.

Uh, no, it's verbatim dialogue from ANH.  And by similar circumstances I meant "Protagonist walks into fairly small, enclosed space.  Character hiding in there exclaims 'Oh, thank the Maker!' upon seeing who it is."  What you're talking about...aren't really "circumstances".

Yes I know that, I too am a big star wars fan. I was referring to the context...

[William Adama]

R3c0nn4155nc3 wrote...

How many christians here does not want stem cell research to go through and how many are more realistic and do?
How many religious people would prefer if science never eached this point?
How many religious people says that science is the work of god?
How many religious people use god to explain everything?
How many religious people deny history because it is an affront to their gods?

Just questions, answer if you want, I am just curious. I WILL judge but I'll be keeping my opinions to myself.

I'll bite with a counter question:

How many atheists have contributed to science on the level that Newton and Einstein have? Please name one...

... note, Darwin doesn't count, as darwinism is a topic that is STILL being refuted today. It is an incomplete theory to say the least.

The only thing he's right about is that organisms change over time; a theory that his grandfather came up with. 

[Golden Owl]

R3c0nn4155nc3 wrote...

How many christians here does not want stem cell research to go through and how many are more realistic and do?
How many religious people would prefer if science never eached this point?
How many religious people says that science is the work of god?
How many religious people use god to explain everything?
How many religious people deny history because it is an affront to their gods?

Just questions, answer if you want, I am just curious. I WILL judge but I'll be keeping my opinions to myself.

This is a very dangerous post and does not pertain to the topic at hand...I think best left for a more approbriate forum....As a note, I am not religious, not in the sense you are referring to anyway,so not speaking form bias here.

[o Amadeus o]

R3c0nn4155nc3 wrote...

How many christians here does not want stem cell research to go through and how many are more realistic and do?
How many religious people would prefer if science never eached this point?
How many religious people says that science is the work of god?
How many religious people use god to explain everything?
How many religious people deny history because it is an affront to their gods?

Just questions, answer if you want, I am just curious. I WILL judge but I'll be keeping my opinions to myself.

I want stem cell research while I agree its murder, so was Hiroshima, but the ends justify the means, if moms can live with it so be it.

I want science to go further.

I am what you would call a "Christian Darwinists" I belive that god created the universe, but he uses evolution and advancement in science to change it. So yes, I believe science is God's work.

No, while God is all powerful, there are some things that I believe using God as an answer would explain

No, istory is fact.

I live in the Bible Belt

[Therefore_I_Am]

My shepard wants to follow whatever the krogan follows, their ideologies, philosophies and religions...
I like their view on things also; survival of the fittest, enduring and strengthening of body and mind through suffering, self perseverance, etc...

Modifié par Therefore_I_Am, 20 avril 2011 - 04:10 .

[R3c0nn4155nc3]

William Adama wrote...

R3c0nn4155nc3 wrote...

How many christians here does not want stem cell research to go through and how many are more realistic and do?
How many religious people would prefer if science never eached this point?
How many religious people says that science is the work of god?
How many religious people use god to explain everything?
How many religious people deny history because it is an affront to their gods?

Just questions, answer if you want, I am just curious. I WILL judge but I'll be keeping my opinions to myself.

I'll bite with a counter question:

How many atheists have contributed to science on the level that Newton and Einstein have? Please name one...

... note, Darwin doesn't count, as darwinism is a topic that is STILL being refuted today. It is an incomplete theory to say the least.

The only thing he's right about is that organisms change over time; a theory that his grandfather came up with. 

Yeah I don't get it when religious guys contribute to science. Now, before you get your hump in a knot what I am saying is not meant to be offensive. Don't get me wrong, those guys are awesome with Sir Isaac Newton being the deadlist SOB in space, but wouldn't working on sicence contradict with your beliefs?

I just don't understand people. Thank god 90% of the guys in my school are atheists...and that is cause 80% of us are Asians.

Therefore_I_Am wrote...

My shepard wants to follow whatever the krogan follows, their ideologies, philosophies and religions...
I
like their view on things also; survival of the fittest, enduring and
strengthening of body and mind through suffering, self
preserverance, etc...

Wait, I thought when the Shaman
tells you that the destruction on TOOOOOOOOOOOOOOchanka was good, he
meant that they will eventually become wise enough to harness their
abilites, and finally be responsible enough to use high-tech weapons
without ebing a threat to the galaxy.

o Amadeus o wrote...

R3c0nn4155nc3 wrote...

How many christians here does not want stem cell research to go through and how many are more realistic and do?
How many religious people would prefer if science never eached this point?
How many religious people says that science is the work of god?
How many religious people use god to explain everything?
How many religious people deny history because it is an affront to their gods?

Just questions, answer if you want, I am just curious. I WILL judge but I'll be keeping my opinions to myself.

I
want stem cell research while I agree its murder, so was Hiroshima, but
the ends justify the means, if moms can live with it so be it.

I want science to go further.

I
am what you would call a "Christian Darwinists" I belive that god
created the universe, but he uses evolution and advancement in science
to change it. So yes, I believe science is God's work.

No, while God is all powerful, there are some things that I believe using God as an answer would explain

No, istory is fact.

I live in the Bible Belt

Your Christian Darwanism kind of makes sense. Makes more sense then AT FIRST THERE WAS NOTHING. THEN THERE WAS AN EXPLOSION. THEN THE UNIVERSE WAS FORMED! >.>
Although this just raises MORE questions...if god created the universe...who created him?
If god existed why would he let crimes go unpunished?
Why
would he let ****s (as much as I hate to admit it, i am kind of a
douche at school...maybe even on this forum) go around
being...well...themselves?
Are we not worthy of his protection or something?
Why let wars go on?
The
cycle of life goes through with death, with each successive generation
climbing over their predecessors and fallen. A life ends, so that a new
one may begin and give or take from the universe, so if that is the case
then who was gods predecessor? Who is his sucessor?

And also, how would you explain the time before Christianity/God?...hmmmm....

I wish I was Mordin Solus right now.

Modifié par R3c0nn4155nc3, 20 avril 2011 - 04:18 .

[Urdnot Orrad]

Guys, enough. We don't want this thread locked, do we?

[Golden Owl]

Golden Owl wrote...

R3c0nn4155nc3 wrote...

How many christians here does not want stem cell research to go through and how many are more realistic and do?
How many religious people would prefer if science never eached this point?
How many religious people says that science is the work of god?
How many religious people use god to explain everything?
How many religious people deny history because it is an affront to their gods?

Just questions, answer if you want, I am just curious. I WILL judge but I'll be keeping my opinions to myself.

I REPEAT:

This is a very dangerous post and does not pertain to the topic at hand...I think best left for a more approbriate forum....As a note, I am not religious, not in the sense you are referring to anyway,so not speaking form bias here.

[R3c0nn4155nc3]

Golden Owl wrote...

Golden Owl wrote...

R3c0nn4155nc3 wrote...

How many christians here does not want stem cell research to go through and how many are more realistic and do?
How many religious people would prefer if science never eached this point?
How many religious people says that science is the work of god?
How many religious people use god to explain everything?
How many religious people deny history because it is an affront to their gods?

Just questions, answer if you want, I am just curious. I WILL judge but I'll be keeping my opinions to myself.

I REPEAT:

This is a very dangerous post and does not pertain to the topic at hand...I think best left for a more approbriate forum....As a note, I am not religious, not in the sense you are referring to anyway,so not speaking form bias here.

Fine, ima let it drop.

[Golden Owl]

R3c0nn4155nc3 wrote...

Golden Owl wrote...

Golden Owl wrote...

R3c0nn4155nc3 wrote...

How many christians here does not want stem cell research to go through and how many are more realistic and do?
How many religious people would prefer if science never eached this point?
How many religious people says that science is the work of god?
How many religious people use god to explain everything?
How many religious people deny history because it is an affront to their gods?

Just questions, answer if you want, I am just curious. I WILL judge but I'll be keeping my opinions to myself.

I REPEAT:

This is a very dangerous post and does not pertain to the topic at hand...I think best left for a more approbriate forum....As a note, I am not religious, not in the sense you are referring to anyway,so not speaking form bias here.

Fine, ima let it drop.

Thank you R3cOnn...appreciated. 

[Therefore_I_Am]

Wait, I thought when the Shaman
tells you that the destruction on TOOOOOOOOOOOOOOchanka was good, he
meant that they will eventually become wise enough to harness their
abilites, and finally be responsible enough to use high-tech weapons
without ebing a threat to the galaxy.

Their general view on aggressivness is not a practicality, although there are krogan who will enjoy taking a conquering stance.
The whole point of their views, is that even the weakest link will be the strongest. They might rail on small krogan for being weak, but that small krogan won't go into a suicidal depression like a human would... In fact, he'll push himself to be the best no matter what and still come out strong, unabated by teasing and tormenting, because their entire culture revolves around such a nature.