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[R3c0nn4155nc3]

Therefore_I_Am wrote...

Wait, I thought when the Shaman
tells you that the destruction on TOOOOOOOOOOOOOOchanka was good, he
meant that they will eventually become wise enough to harness their
abilites, and finally be responsible enough to use high-tech weapons
without ebing a threat to the galaxy.

Their general view on aggressivness is not a practicality, although there are krogan who will enjoy taking a conquering stance.
The whole point of their views, is that even the weakest link will be the strongest. They might rail on small krogan for being weak, but that small krogan won't go into a suicidal depression like a human would... In fact, he'll push himself to be the best no matter what and still come out strong, unabated by teasing and tormenting, because their entire culture revolves around such a nature.

a few centuries later...
The small bullied Krogan becomes head of clan Urdnot. His name? Urdnot Pyjak

[mjh417]

My Shep is an atheist like me (confirmed with that dialogue option in ME1). I do find it curious that religion prevails in Humanity, its not surprising but you would think the alien discovery would have caused more of a crisis of faith than ME humans like Ashley seem to indicate. The codex does touch on this issue I think, but its brushed over. ME and Bioware dont need any more controversy though and I personally dont care expect when characters like Ashley who I hate bring it up.

[R3c0nn4155nc3]

Ash is kinda weird. She says she isn't a racist yet she wants to Humanity on top. I guess in a galaxy where everyone is looking out for themselves that makes sense, especially since her arguement about other races abandoning them when push comes to shove makes quite alot of sense. You could use it with the nations of Earth. If two alliances went to war and one was losing, but only on of the 2 countires in that alliance was targeted, with the enemy willing to let you off if you pull out. chances are you are going to pull out. Ash still kind aacts more like a Ceberus operative or Terra Firma supproter then she thinks.

[Urdnot Orrad]

R3c0nn4155nc3 wrote...

Ash is kinda weird. She says she isn't a racist yet she wants to Humanity on top. I guess in a galaxy where everyone is looking out for themselves that makes sense, especially since her arguement about other races abandoning them when push comes to shove makes quite alot of sense. You could use it with the nations of Earth. If two alliances went to war and one was losing, but only on of the 2 countires in that alliance was targeted, with the enemy willing to let you off if you pull out. chances are you are going to pull out. Ash still kind aacts more like a Ceberus operative or Terra Firma supproter then she thinks.

No, she doesn't want humanity on top. She simply believes that humans shouldn't be too trusting of non-humans to assist them. She does not trust Cerberus, and she openly ridiculed the Terra Firma party multiple times. I suggest paying closer attention to her dialog.

[Had-to-say]

Why do you think the discovery of aliens will create a crysis of faith? I could understand if the aliens told us we are your creators. I personally would have a crysis of faith if I found out I was created by Aliens, I fear this. The Catholic church also recently put out a statement stating that the belief in ET's does not contradict the Catholic faith. I don't know exactly what to take from this statement.

This is an interesting post. I am enjoying it lets keep it civil.

[Sigma Tauri]

Pwener2313 wrote...
I myself had hoped that this issue would have been explored deeper in ME2, yet no such luck was found. I'd also like to point out that when it comes to games like ME where alien species are introduced with they're own religions, the existence of God and any other human religion goes out the window. Why? Because if God created all, why do aliens have they're own religions? Why didn't he intervene with those species? So in ME, it seems to be safe to assume that God doesn't exist. When this problem presented, no one dares to explore it for wathever reason.

This is just ridiculous. That's like asking if 15th century Europeans were learning about other religions, why the hell do they still believe in God even if Australia weren't mentioned?

[Jedi Master of Orion]

R3c0nn4155nc3 wrote...

Ash is kinda weird. She says she isn't a racist yet she wants to Humanity on top.

And when does she say that?

Grymgris wrote...

I think that organised religion would have a pretty hard time surviving space travel and all the stuff you find out there, for one example there are planets with the remains of millions of years old civilizations, would be pretty hard to explain that with any earth religion, i mean they had it bad enough with the whole "the earth i not flat" or "the center of the universe" thing [smilie]../../../images/forum/emoticons/tongue.png[/smilie] .

And most religions state that humans were created in the image of god, all the aliens pretty much f*cks that up[smilie]../../../images/forum/emoticons/whistling.png[/smilie]

Why? I'm a Christian and I already believe there are aliens somewhere. Why would million year old alien ruins be any different? I'm quite certain I'm not the only one.

I haven't read any of the supplimentary novels, but I have heard about the Prothean ruins on Mars supposedly being a shocking discovery to Earth religions (they would be a shocking to everyone, wouldn't they?).

I have to admit I don't understand why though. There are already religious beliefs out there that would not find prothean ruins "shocking to the core". I think the Qur'an sort of implies there is life on other worlds, for example. I also seem to remember reading that in the the Bahá'í Faith, there is a belief in the existence of alien life.

I would imagine most people who believe in God wouldn't find proof of the existence extraterrestrials
particuarly contradictory to their religion, and even those who did would probably just abandon the belief that humans are alone in the universe rather than their whole faith. Admitedly I can't predict how I'd react to aliens until I see them because they could be anything, but If we met the Turian Hierarchy (or some species like them) tommorow, I can't say I'd find myself in a greater crisis of faith because of it.

Modifié par Jedi Master of Orion, 20 avril 2011 - 06:03 .

[Urdnot Orrad]

Jedi Master of Orion wrote...

R3c0nn4155nc3 wrote...

Ash is kinda weird. She says she isn't a racist yet she wants to Humanity on top.

And when does she say that?

Grymgris wrote...

I think that organised religion would
have a pretty hard time surviving space travel and all the stuff you
find out there, for one example there are planets with the remains of
millions of years old civilizations, would be pretty hard to explain
that with any earth religion, i mean they had it bad enough with the
whole "the earth i not flat" or "the center of the universe" thing [smilie]../../../images/forum/emoticons/tongue.png[/smilie] .

And most religions state that humans were created in the image of god, all the aliens pretty much f*cks that up [smilie]../../../images/forum/emoticons/whistling.png[/smilie]

Why? I'm a Christian and I already believe there are aliens somewhere. Why would million year old alien ruins be any different? I'm quite certain I'm not the only one.

I haven't read any of the supplimentary novels, but I have heard about
the Prothean ruins on Mars supposedly being a shocking discovery to
Earth relgions (they would be a shocking to everyone, wouldn't they?).

I have to admit I don't understand why though. There are already
religious beliefs out there that would not find prothean ruins "shocking
to the core". I think the Qur'an sort of implies there is life on other
worlds, for example. I also seem to remember reading that in the the Bahá'í Faith, there is a belief in the existence of alien life.

I would imagine most people who believe in God wouldn't find proof of the existence extraterrestrials
particuarly contradictory to their religion, and even those who did
would probably just abandon the belief that humans are alone in the
universe rather than their whole faith. Admitedly I can't predict how
I'd react to aliens until I see them because they could be anything, but
If we met the Turian Hierarchy (or some species like them) tommorow, I can't say I'd find myself in a greater crisis of faith because of it.

I know how I'd react: *SQUEEEE!!!!!!!!!!!*

[Whereto]

Religion, dwells well in areas where quality of life is low and were people are under educated. No, I'm not sayin a educated person is stupid for being religious, I am simply stating in more educated societies more people feel that science explains life better than religion thus religion is not as populace as in a society of people devoid of science. Also in areas where life is not so well regarded, people fall on to religion far more readily than in a well off area. So if these two conditions are met, religion will prosper much easier, though if you have more people educated with science and life quality rises, religion will start to lose footing. Now in the mass effect universe, aliens go against teaching such as god made us in his image, so the area of doubt is there and enforced by a higher understanding of science and better life standards

[Sigma Tauri]

Whereto wrote...

Religion, dwells well in areas where quality of life is low and were people are under educated. No, I'm not sayin a educated person is stupid for being religious, I am simply stating in more educated societies more people feel that science explains life better than religion thus religion is not as populace as in a society of people devoid of science. Also in areas where life is not so well regarded, people fall on to religion far more readily than in a well off area. So if these two conditions are met, religion will prosper much easier, though if you have more people educated with science and life quality rises, religion will start to lose footing. Now in the mass effect universe, aliens go against teaching such as god made us in his image, so the area of doubt is there and enforced by a higher understanding of science and better life standards

Pfft. Science doesn't fulfill spiritual needs. Educated societies tend to have more elaborate views of religion, like mysticism, pantheism, monasticism or hermeticism. They don't arise from the folk religion of the poor or the undereducated. Asari particularly have formed spiritualistic tendencies in spite being one of the more advanced races. Or in Mass Effect 2, squadmates like Samara, Mordin, or Thane exhibit lingering ancient spiritual tendencies as a means to cope with emotional anguish.

Modifié par monkeycamoran, 20 avril 2011 - 05:24 .

[R3c0nn4155nc3]

Whereto wrote...

Religion, dwells well in areas where quality of life is low and were people are under educated. No, I'm not sayin a educated person is stupid for being religious, I am simply stating in more educated societies more people feel that science explains life better than religion thus religion is not as populace as in a society of people devoid of science. Also in areas where life is not so well regarded, people fall on to religion far more readily than in a well off area. So if these two conditions are met, religion will prosper much easier, though if you have more people educated with science and life quality rises, religion will start to lose footing. Now in the mass effect universe, aliens go against teaching such as god made us in his image, so the area of doubt is there and enforced by a higher understanding of science and better life standards

Pre-coldwar seems to explain this...especially the middle ages. Kings were greedy and the royal family was pain in the *** (back then, not sure about now). They didn't really care about their subjects, just their own power. They gave their subjects, just enough food to survive to produce more to give. Pseudo-slavery if you will. Even the Roman Empire treated non-romans better (not sure about their slaves though). Then again, their laws were the most just (at the time and even in the future, their laws were the most just until democracy came along and was like, FREEDOM AND JUSTICE FOR ALL (corruption as well[not as much as communism  I s'pose]). Apparently, the Roman Empire had the production/output capactiy equivalent in weapons and food as comtemporary/modern-historical US, but the burden was much more, being an agricultural society rather than a industrial one.

monkeycamoran wrote...

Whereto wrote...

Religion,
dwells well in areas where quality of life is low and were people are
under educated. No, I'm not sayin a educated person is stupid for being
religious, I am simply stating in more educated societies more people
feel that science explains life better than religion thus religion is
not as populace as in a society of people devoid of science. Also in
areas where life is not so well regarded, people fall on to religion far
more readily than in a well off area. So if these two conditions are
met, religion will prosper much easier, though if you have more people
educated with science and life quality rises, religion will start to
lose footing. Now in the mass effect universe, aliens go against
teaching such as god made us in his image, so the area of doubt is there
and enforced by a higher understanding of science and better life
standards

Pfft. Science doesn't fulfill spiritual needs.
Educated societies tend to have more elaborate views of religion, like
mysticism, pantheism, monasticism or hermeticism. They don't arise from
the folk religion of the poor or the undereducated. Asari particularly
have formed spiritualistic tendencies in spite being one of the more
advanced races. Or in Mass Effect 2, squadmates like Samara, Mordin, or
Thane exhibit lingering ancient spiritual tendencies as a means to cope
with emotional anguish.

I don't understand why people would
want Spirituality. I know hope that the Hindu cycle of life is real, as I
don't want my life to end when i reach
70-100. I still have mistakes to fix, not to mention things to
experience. I spiritually hope it exists, as I don't want my spirit to
just dissipate, but I just can't accept it. It isn't logical, realistic
nor scientific. I don't understand why I have spiritual needs, it would
be much easier tolrate if I just didn't care...yet I do...

If
there was a religion, that wan't a crazy cult, and offered a realistic
and logical answer to alot of questions, I would jump onboard in
seconds, but as Mordin says, religion offers comfort, but no answers.
Just raises more questions.

Modifié par R3c0nn4155nc3, 20 avril 2011 - 05:33 .

[Had-to-say]

Reincarnation, life after death, heaven or hell, I'm not sure of any of this. I don't know but I like what Dem_B had to say:

"All religions talk about life after death, the soul abandons the body, moving to another state of being.
People believe that their life will not end after bodily death. People believe that their soul is immortal.
But nobody can find the material immortality - the bodily immortality.
Therefore, everyone scared to die, nobody knows whether there is in reality a different life.

Perhaps in the distant past Reapers did not wanted to die and have created a way to keep your consciousness in this reality, in the form of an indestructible material form, free of all weakness.
Their body has become the machine, but the consciousness remains the same.
The consciousness of living beings."

If you don't believe in god or a after life, are you content to perish from all existence forever? Or do you hold out hope that your consciousness will arise again? This is a form of faith.

Modifié par Had-to-say, 20 avril 2011 - 05:54 .

[Golden Owl]

Whereto wrote...

Religion, dwells well in areas where quality of life is low and were people are under educated. No, I'm not sayin a educated person is stupid for being religious, I am simply stating in more educated societies more people feel that science explains life better than religion thus religion is not as populace as in a society of people devoid of science. Also in areas where life is not so well regarded, people fall on to religion far more readily than in a well off area. So if these two conditions are met, religion will prosper much easier, though if you have more people educated with science and life quality rises, religion will start to lose footing. Now in the mass effect universe, aliens go against teaching such as god made us in his image, so the area of doubt is there and enforced by a higher understanding of science and better life standards

Though Science (the practitioners of) also tends to often be as one-eyed and stubborn as many main stream religious doctrines...in many ways the practise of science has become almost a religon in itself. Many staunch advocates of science often tend towards the view that if it is not scientifcally measurable or acknowledged, then it does not exist....that doesn't seem that much different to me than the views of hard line radical religonists. 

As for the possible measuring or quantifying the existance or effects of something...its seems to me, that we possibly live with a very arrogent mind set...can we really consider that we have reached the apex of all that we are capable of becoming? Just voicing a thought.

As for bringing it back to on topic (ME)....does anyone think its possible, with the way that religon and science are displayed side by side in ME,  that BW is possibly, subtley trying to convey an eventual truce (if you want to call it that) between these two currently at odds doctrines within the context of an ME future?

Modifié par Golden Owl, 20 avril 2011 - 05:44 .

[R3c0nn4155nc3]

Whereto wrote...

Religion, dwells well in areas where quality of life is low and were people are under educated. No, I'm not sayin a educated person is stupid for being religious, I am simply stating in more educated societies more people feel that science explains life better than religion thus religion is not as populace as in a society of people devoid of science. Also in areas where life is not so well regarded, people fall on to religion far more readily than in a well off area. So if these two conditions are met, religion will prosper much easier, though if you have more people educated with science and life quality rises, religion will start to lose footing. Now in the mass effect universe, aliens go against teaching such as god made us in his image, so the area of doubt is there and enforced by a higher understanding of science and better life standards

An answer to that might have been, that God crated aliens before us but they were failures. Of course, that is more arrogant than logical. If I was religious, I know I would have a crisis of faith. If we were the latest creations, does that mean they abandoned his previous ones? Why? Becuase they failed? Disappointed him? Will it happen to us? If god created all of us, he has a responsibility. He doesn't get the right to say that 'I created you, you owe me'. He would be like the Illusive Man, if he did. Of course, this only applies if god did create aliens before us, and that they were failures. But IF and only IF he did, then his a cruel and sadistic SOB who doesn't deserve anyone's worhip nor respect.

[Dem_B]

Metaphysics is a branch of philosophy concerned with explaining the fundamental nature of being and the world.
Religion is related to metaphysics.

At all times people tried to find answers to the questions: What is the reason? What are the origins? What is the starting point?

I believe that these issues are the main issues of Mass Effect. Mass Effect for me is confrontation to the Reapers. 
I am interested to know the reasons and origins of the Reapers.
From Mass Effect 3 I'm waiting for answers to the questions: What is the reason? What are the origins?

Reapers is the opposite of religion.
All religions talk about life after death, the soul abandons the body, moving to another state of being.
People believe that their life will not end after bodily death. People believe that their soul is immortal.
But nobody can find the material immortality - the bodily immortality.
Therefore, everyone scared to die, nobody knows whether there is in reality a different life.
Reapers do not believe in the existence of the soul.
They are have created a way to keep your consciousness in this reality, in the form of an indestructible material form, free of all weakness.
Their body has become the machine, but the consciousness remains the same.
The consciousness of living beings.
Reapers destroy religion, they have gone beyond time. They have no beginning, they have no end, they are infinite.
What would you choose: unknown and oblivion after death or freedom from all the weaknesses. 

[Jedi Master of Orion]

You know most of Mass Effect's aliens are supposed to be essentially fundamentally similar to humanity, so I really don't understand why it would be any different from discovering more humans.

[R3c0nn4155nc3]

Golden Owl wrote...

Whereto wrote...

Religion, dwells well in areas where quality of life is low and were people are under educated. No, I'm not sayin a educated person is stupid for being religious, I am simply stating in more educated societies more people feel that science explains life better than religion thus religion is not as populace as in a society of people devoid of science. Also in areas where life is not so well regarded, people fall on to religion far more readily than in a well off area. So if these two conditions are met, religion will prosper much easier, though if you have more people educated with science and life quality rises, religion will start to lose footing. Now in the mass effect universe, aliens go against teaching such as god made us in his image, so the area of doubt is there and enforced by a higher understanding of science and better life standards

Though Science (the practitioners of) also tends to often be as one-eyed and stubborn as many main stream religious doctrines...in many ways the practise of science has become almost a religon in itself. Many staunch advocates of science often tend towards the view that if it is not scientifcally measurable or acknowledged, then it does not exist....that doesn't seem that much different to me than the views of hard line radical religonists. 

As for the possible measuring or quantifying the existance or effects of something...its seems to me, that we possibly live with a very arrogent mind set...can we really consider that we have reached the apex of all that we are capable of becoming? Just voicing a thought.

As for bringing it back to on topic (ME)....does anyone think its possible, with the way that religon and science are displayed side by side in ME,  that BW is possibly, subtley trying to convey an eventual truce (if you want to call it that) between these two currently at odds doctrines within the context of an ME future?

I guess you are right in the case of Science almost becoming a religion. But you can't prove siprituality...actually you can but you can't prove if a 'Soul' exists. You can't prove if a 'Faustian bargain' exists. You can't prove that 'enlightenment' exists. But we all know it does. A soul is what makes that person, THAT person. It is their history, their destiny (which THEY forge), their personality, their goals, ambitions, friends, and beliefs. It is what makes them, THEM. Is it possible to lose your soul? Maybe, maybe not. If you commit crimes, and I mean murder, torture, rape, extortion etc, then aren't you losing your soul? Your losing who YOu are to become someone else...or maybe you are just doing what YOU already are, and what YOUR soul represents.

A Faustian bargaine exists. When you start sacrificing human lives, for personal profit, like a criminal overlord, then you are entering into a Faustian bargain. When you commit sins like the ones listed above, you are making a deal with the devil, which in a way means you will lose your soul and who you are. No one is is born evil, or born a hero. We are shaped, by those around us, our environment, our beliefs and our convictions.

But does enlighenment exists? In away yes. You might be able to prove it, you might not. When u have an epiphany, haven't you reached a for of enlightenmen. When you have released your burdens, and understand everyone and everything around you haven't you reached enlightenment? When you are finally at peace with yourself, aren't you 'enlightened'?

Not everything can be proved, not by science, nor religion, However, in most cases, science makes more sense, as they can back it up with proof, as well as be more rational and logical about it.

Wow, when I entered this arguement I was heavily biased towards one side (science), and found religious people idiots. Now, I understnad both sides. I can see the logic to both discussions.

[R3c0nn4155nc3]

Dem_B wrote...

Metaphysics is a branch of philosophy concerned with explaining the fundamental nature of being and the world.
Religion is related to metaphysics.

At all times people tried to find answers to the questions: What is the reason? What are the origins? What is the starting point?

I believe that these issues are the main issues of Mass Effect. Mass Effect for me is confrontation to the Reapers. 
I am interested to know the reasons and origins of the Reapers.
From Mass Effect 3 I'm waiting for answers to the questions: What is the reason? What are the origins?

Reapers is the opposite of religion.
All religions talk about life after death, the soul abandons the body, moving to another state of being.
People believe that their life will not end after bodily death. People believe that their soul is immortal.
But nobody can find the material immortality - the bodily immortality.
Therefore, everyone scared to die, nobody knows whether there is in reality a different life.
Reapers do not believe in the existence of the soul.
They are have created a way to keep your consciousness in this reality, in the form of an indestructible material form, free of all weakness.
Their body has become the machine, but the consciousness remains the same.
The consciousness of living beings.
Reapers destroy religion, they have gone beyond time. They have no beginning, they have no end, they are infinite.
What would you choose: unknown and oblivion after death or freedom from all the weaknesses. 

They also play god and destroy or repurpose those that they deem not worthy of ascension. The way they determine those worthy is trhough genetics. They are NOT gods, they are NOT heroes, they are NOT saviors, they are nothing but demons. The maybe each be a demon, a nation, free from all weakness, and not dependent on one another, but together, united, they become an intertwined world, fit only for the devil himself.

Also, each religion claims that it is theirs that is true and real, and everything else is false. Who is right? Who is wrong? WHo is lying? Whose truth, is the truth?

Modifié par R3c0nn4155nc3, 20 avril 2011 - 06:08 .

[Hathur]

My Shepard is Atheist.... when one sees entities that have powers beyond your full comprehension, an intelligent being would only assume that entity is merely a much more technologically / sociologically advanced species... not gods.

The Reapers have power beyond humanity's comprehension, no reason for Shepard to believe it's a god. No reason for Shepard to believe anything is a god, only more advanced species than her / his own species.

If Shepard traveled back in time several thousand years on Earth and showed up off the technology she / he has (guns, gadgets, etc), those primitive humans would assume Shepard was a god as well... but clearly isn't.. simply more advanced.

Modifié par Hathur, 20 avril 2011 - 06:18 .

[R3c0nn4155nc3]

'Any sufficiently advanced technology will seem like magic to a more primitve being'

[Golden Owl]

R3c0nn4155nc3 wrote...

Golden Owl wrote...

Whereto wrote...

Religion, dwells well in areas where quality of life is low and were people are under educated. No, I'm not sayin a educated person is stupid for being religious, I am simply stating in more educated societies more people feel that science explains life better than religion thus religion is not as populace as in a society of people devoid of science. Also in areas where life is not so well regarded, people fall on to religion far more readily than in a well off area. So if these two conditions are met, religion will prosper much easier, though if you have more people educated with science and life quality rises, religion will start to lose footing. Now in the mass effect universe, aliens go against teaching such as god made us in his image, so the area of doubt is there and enforced by a higher understanding of science and better life standards

Though Science (the practitioners of) also tends to often be as one-eyed and stubborn as many main stream religious doctrines...in many ways the practise of science has become almost a religon in itself. Many staunch advocates of science often tend towards the view that if it is not scientifcally measurable or acknowledged, then it does not exist....that doesn't seem that much different to me than the views of hard line radical religonists. 

As for the possible measuring or quantifying the existance or effects of something...its seems to me, that we possibly live with a very arrogent mind set...can we really consider that we have reached the apex of all that we are capable of becoming? Just voicing a thought.

As for bringing it back to on topic (ME)....does anyone think its possible, with the way that religon and science are displayed side by side in ME,  that BW is possibly, subtley trying to convey an eventual truce (if you want to call it that) between these two currently at odds doctrines within the context of an ME future?

I guess you are right in the case of Science almost becoming a religion. But you can't prove siprituality...actually you can but you can't prove if a 'Soul' exists. You can't prove if a 'Faustian bargain' exists. You can't prove that 'enlightenment' exists. But we all know it does. A soul is what makes that person, THAT person. It is their history, their destiny (which THEY forge), their personality, their goals, ambitions, friends, and beliefs. It is what makes them, THEM. Is it possible to lose your soul? Maybe, maybe not. If you commit crimes, and I mean murder, torture, rape, extortion etc, then aren't you losing your soul? Your losing who YOu are to become someone else...or maybe you are just doing what YOU already are, and what YOUR soul represents.

A Faustian bargaine exists. When you start sacrificing human lives, for personal profit, like a criminal overlord, then you are entering into a Faustian bargain. When you commit sins like the ones listed above, you are making a deal with the devil, which in a way means you will lose your soul and who you are. No one is is born evil, or born a hero. We are shaped, by those around us, our environment, our beliefs and our convictions.

But does enlighenment exists? In away yes. You might be able to prove it, you might not. When u have an epiphany, haven't you reached a for of enlightenmen. When you have released your burdens, and understand everyone and everything around you haven't you reached enlightenment? When you are finally at peace with yourself, aren't you 'enlightened'?

Not everything can be proved, not by science, nor religion, However, in most cases, science makes more sense, as they can back it up with proof, as well as be more rational and logical about it.

Wow, when I entered this arguement I was heavily biased towards one side (science), and found religious people idiots. Now, I understnad both sides. I can see the logic to both discussions.

Sorry R3c0nn, very difficult to answer, as we are running way off thread topic....fascinating, but best left alone...my sincere apologies.

[R3c0nn4155nc3]

K

[Dem_B]

R3c0nn4155nc3 wrote...

Dem_B wrote...

Metaphysics is a branch of philosophy concerned with explaining the fundamental nature of being and the world.
Religion is related to metaphysics.

At all times people tried to find answers to the questions: What is the reason? What are the origins? What is the starting point?

I believe that these issues are the main issues of Mass Effect. Mass Effect for me is confrontation to the Reapers. 
I am interested to know the reasons and origins of the Reapers.
From Mass Effect 3 I'm waiting for answers to the questions: What is the reason? What are the origins?

Reapers is the opposite of religion.
All religions talk about life after death, the soul abandons the body, moving to another state of being.
People believe that their life will not end after bodily death. People believe that their soul is immortal.
But nobody can find the material immortality - the bodily immortality.
Therefore, everyone scared to die, nobody knows whether there is in reality a different life.
Reapers do not believe in the existence of the soul.
They are have created a way to keep your consciousness in this reality, in the form of an indestructible material form, free of all weakness.
Their body has become the machine, but the consciousness remains the same.
The consciousness of living beings.
Reapers destroy religion, they have gone beyond time. They have no beginning, they have no end, they are infinite.
What would you choose: unknown and oblivion after death or freedom from all the weaknesses. 

They also play god and destroy or repurpose those that they deem not worthy of ascension. The way they determine those worthy is trhough genetics. They are NOT gods, they are NOT heroes, they are NOT saviors, they are nothing but demons. The maybe each be a demon, a nation, free from all weakness, and not dependent on one another, but together, united, they become an intertwined world, fit only for the devil himself.

Also, each religion claims that it is theirs that is true and real, and everything else is false. Who is right? Who is wrong? WHo is lying? Whose truth, is the truth?

What is the meaning of our life?
Accumulate wealth and live happily?
Create a family and raise children?
Prepare soul to heaven?

Everyone lives their life and everyone has his own meaning.

We all live in, because we were born and we die because the time has come.
We can not change it.
We all want something else to do, something else to see, at the end of life everyone wants to get a second chance, but nobody lives forever, and nobody wants to die.

Reapers are not good and not evil.
For some, this may be a chance to acquire a new meaning, new knowledge, new opportunities.
For others, it is Judgement Day.

Reapers have lived millions of years, they saw that we do not know.
Sovereign has said that their motives are beyond our comprehension.

But this does not mean that we can never understand.
You can understand when you're ready for it.
Knowledge does not come immediately, knowledge must be gradual.
Jesus was crucified for his teachings.
Giordano Bruno was burned at the stake, for his theories about the universe.
Knowledge ahead of the era, people were not ready.
Religion gives people hope, but Bible says: "Multiplying knowledge increaseth sorrow"

In the Middle Ages the Crusaders killing infidels for the true faith so Reapers are wrong because they impose their will.
"The road to hell is paved with good intentions"

[Urdnot Orrad]

Dem_B wrote...

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Dem_B wrote...

Metaphysics is a branch of philosophy concerned with explaining the fundamental nature of being and the world.
Religion is related to metaphysics.

At all times people tried to find answers to the questions: What is the reason? What are the origins? What is the starting point?

I believe that these issues are the main issues of Mass Effect. Mass Effect for me is confrontation to the Reapers. 
I am interested to know the reasons and origins of the Reapers.
From Mass Effect 3 I'm waiting for answers to the questions: What is the reason? What are the origins?

Reapers is the opposite of religion.
All religions talk about life after death, the soul abandons the body, moving to another state of being.
People believe that their life will not end after bodily death. People believe that their soul is immortal.
But nobody can find the material immortality - the bodily immortality.
Therefore, everyone scared to die, nobody knows whether there is in reality a different life.
Reapers do not believe in the existence of the soul.
They are have created a way to keep your consciousness in this reality, in the form of an indestructible material form, free of all weakness.
Their body has become the machine, but the consciousness remains the same.
The consciousness of living beings.
Reapers destroy religion, they have gone beyond time. They have no beginning, they have no end, they are infinite.
What would you choose: unknown and oblivion after death or freedom from all the weaknesses. 

They also play god and destroy or repurpose those that they deem not worthy of ascension. The way they determine those worthy is trhough genetics. They are NOT gods, they are NOT heroes, they are NOT saviors, they are nothing but demons. The maybe each be a demon, a nation, free from all weakness, and not dependent on one another, but together, united, they become an intertwined world, fit only for the devil himself.

Also, each religion claims that it is theirs that is true and real, and everything else is false. Who is right? Who is wrong? WHo is lying? Whose truth, is the truth?

What is the meaning of our life?
Accumulate wealth and live happily?
Create a family and raise children?
Prepare soul to heaven?

Everyone lives their life and everyone has his own meaning.

We all live in, because we were born and we die because the time has come.
We can not change it.
We all want something else to do, something else to see, at the end of life everyone wants to get a second chance, but nobody lives forever, and nobody wants to die.

Reapers are not good and not evil.
For some, this may be a chance to acquire a new meaning, new knowledge, new opportunities.
For others, it is Judgement Day.

Reapers have lived millions of years, they saw that we do not know.
Sovereign has said that their motives are beyond our comprehension.

But this does not mean that we can never understand.
You can understand when you're ready for it.
Knowledge does not come immediately, knowledge must be gradual.
Jesus was crucified for his teachings.
Giordano Bruno was burned at the stake, for his theories about the universe.
Knowledge ahead of the era, people were not ready.
Religion gives people hope, but Bible says: "Multiplying knowledge increaseth sorrow"

In the Middle Ages the Crusaders killing infidels for the true faith so Reapers are wrong because they impose their will.
"The road to hell is paved with good intentions"

Do you write poetry for a living, good sir?

[Gill Kaiser]

Spirituality is just a consequence of fear of the unknown. It is not a sensible outlook.