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[Grymgris]

Jedi Master of Orion wrote...

Grymgris wrote...

I think that organised religion would have a pretty hard time surviving space travel and all the stuff you find out there, for one example there are planets with the remains of millions of years old civilizations, would be pretty hard to explain that with any earth religion, i mean they had it bad enough with the whole "the earth i not flat" or "the center of the universe" thing [smilie]../../../images/forum/emoticons/tongue.png[/smilie] .

And most religions state that humans were created in the image of god, all the aliens pretty much f*cks that up[smilie]../../../images/forum/emoticons/whistling.png[/smilie]

Why? I'm a Christian and I already believe there are aliens somewhere. Why would million year old alien ruins be any different? I'm quite certain I'm not the only one.

Really, you don`t se it? 

Well for one example, Christianity states that humas are made in the image of god, why would humans be created that way and not all the other thousands upon thousands of races, why would god create humans in his own image millions of years after the first intelligent races existed in the galaxy.

Jedi Master of Orion wrote...

I would imagine most people who believe in God wouldn't find proof of the existence extraterrestrials
particuarly contradictory to their religion, and even those who did would probably just abandon the belief that humans are alone in the universe rather than their whole faith.

Maybe you should read the bible, you know, the little book upon wich your religion is based 

[Urdnot-X]

Religion and spirituality may just be a thing of comfort, I personally choose to believe in something however, but what it comes down to necasserily is how to live our lives on Earth, so that we all can coexist peacefully with one another. Society has turned to crap of lately because people have turned their backs on morality. Unfortunatly for religion, for the most part it's often creating what it speaks out most against, war.

Anyways concerning ME3, I doubt that there will be any big thing concerning religion, if there was there probably would have been more in depth discussion with Thane about it.

Modifié par Urdnot-X, 20 avril 2011 - 10:04 .

[Warlocomotf]

Grymgris wrote...

Warlocomotf wrote...

The earth being flat or center of the universe? Religion does not contradict either of those, theyre not difficult.

Maybe you should take some history lessons?

Yes, some Christians thought we couldn't possibly make it to the moon, some Christians thoughts the earth was flat- but neither of those things is taught by Christianity, these people are merely idiots who for no good reason assume their personal unrelated believes to also somehow be religious.

Christians saying something does not make it Christian, and the bible does not claim aliens do not or could not exist- thus there is no contradiction.

All your other "contradictions"; why would ancient aliens be any more difficult than dinosaurs? Either way, a universe created with a history has no difficulty explaining the matters.

[R3c0nn4155nc3]

Grymgris wrote...

Jedi Master of Orion wrote...

Grymgris wrote...

I think that organised religion would have a pretty hard time surviving space travel and all the stuff you find out there, for one example there are planets with the remains of millions of years old civilizations, would be pretty hard to explain that with any earth religion, i mean they had it bad enough with the whole "the earth i not flat" or "the center of the universe" thing [smilie]../../../images/forum/emoticons/tongue.png[/smilie] .

And most religions state that humans were created in the image of god, all the aliens pretty much f*cks that up[smilie]../../../images/forum/emoticons/whistling.png[/smilie]

Why? I'm a Christian and I already believe there are aliens somewhere. Why would million year old alien ruins be any different? I'm quite certain I'm not the only one.

Really, you don`t se it? 

Well for one example, Christianity states that humas are made in the image of god, why would humans be created that way and not all the other thousands upon thousands of races, why would god create humans in his own image millions of years after the first intelligent races existed in the galaxy.

Jedi Master of Orion wrote...

I would imagine most people who believe in God wouldn't find proof of the existence extraterrestrials
particuarly contradictory to their religion, and even those who did would probably just abandon the belief that humans are alone in the universe rather than their whole faith.

Maybe you should read the bible, you know, the little book upon wich your religion is based 

The bible is a book wrote by a man. Not a god. Not a prophet (virgin briths? We are not the bloody asari, there has never been a parthenogenesis birth in the history of mankind). But a man. A Mortal, probably respected and MORAL man, but a man nonetheless...also if he knew his religion would cause war and conflict he would have probably never made it.

Modifié par R3c0nn4155nc3, 20 avril 2011 - 10:43 .

[xCirdanx]

Pwener2313 wrote...

Humans:

Religion for humanity seems to have not changed at all in 200 years. From
Christianity to Buddhism, humans are as culturally diversed as ever. The only
hint to Shepard's religion is made when talking with Ashley in ME1, where the
only options are to deny God's existance (Atheism), say you believe in God
(Catholic, Christian, ect.) or to play coy and tell Ash to not discuss the
topic openly (???).

Wathever Shepard's religion is seems to be left for the player to fill
indirectly. So quick question; What religion is your Shepard and what have you
done to support that?

Atheist, like myself.

Religion in the Mass Effect universe has changed, basically every big
religion has crumbled in a way. You have to read the first book for this, where
the discovery of the Prothean ruins and the after effects are explained.

It goes something like this: after the first clear proof of existence of
other life in the universe every religion took a big hit, trying to deal with
it they tried to build this fact into their mythologies while at the same time
tons of new religions grew out of nowhere. They are still trying to deal with
the after effects to this date.

That indicates that religion, in the current ME time line, has not the same
important status anymore.

Modifié par xCirdanx, 20 avril 2011 - 11:27 .

[Torhagen]

Religious People invented creationism for instance
Over time many brilliant People were tortured and/or killed because oft religious beliefs
just two facts from the tip oft the head why religion is bad news

[MortalEngines]

 I think people are jumping the gun by saying most 'major' religions would be destoryed/proven false by the existance of aliens (or timetravel/intergalatic travel, which really doesn't matter at all as it would be man-made). Religions such as Islam, actually support that there are other lifeforms in the universe, for example, it states in the Quran that

'All praise belongs to God, Lord of all the worlds'.

Focus on the word 'worlds', not singluar, plural which indicates there are other 'worlds' where life exists. There are other examples where 'beings' are mentioned rather than just 'man' but that's beside the point. Aliens do not prove religion false (well not all religions anyway).

[Geth_Prime]

I wonder if other alien civilisations we may run into will have their own religions or not. Even a truly advanced race can still have religion - even if it's just wishful thinking. I am an atheist but I am not sure if I would want religion to stop. On one hand, it can indirectly cause conflicts and social problems, but on the other hand it has done a lot of good for society. The teaching aspect of religion is fine for me, it's the forced rules and supernatural beliefs that I am opposed to.

[Merchant2006]

Has the Bible Bashing started? The stereotyping of bearded men in deserts? Nope? Good... good. Just making sure people can have a civil conversation.

[R3c0nn4155nc3]

Merchant2006 wrote...

Has the Bible Bashing started? The stereotyping of bearded men in deserts? Nope? Good... good. Just making sure people can have a civil conversation.

not...yet...

[naledgeborn]

Science and religion don't have to be in direct opposition. One is based on the factual while another is based on personal faith. They only clash because of politics and propaganda. In the ME 'verse, religion being in decline is very well explained in ME: Revelation. However, history shows us that religion has been indirectly responsible for great scientific achievements.

The development of algebra was motivated as a solution to Islamic inheritance laws. And developments in astronomy, geography, spherical geometry and spherical trigonometry were inspired by the direction of the Qibla, the times of Salah prayers, and the dates of the Islamic calendar.

Other thinkers, such as "the most dangerous son of a b*tch in space" questioned inaccuracies presented within dogma and set out to uncover phenomena with logic.

Whether because of or in spite of it we wouldn't be where we are "scientifically" if it weren't for religion. I don't view them as linear opposing forces. Just my POV. No need to spread it around.

[Saber Wolf]

R3c0nn4155nc3 wrote...

Merchant2006 wrote...

Has the Bible Bashing started? The stereotyping of bearded men in deserts? Nope? Good... good. Just making sure people can have a civil conversation.

not...yet...

Sooner or later...

[Shad0wOGRE]

They have a great opportunity in ME3 to have some meaningful dialogue between Ash and Shep about his death/status of his soul and such. I hope they don't shrink away from it out of fear of upsetting people. I'd love to know what Ash thinks about Shep dying and being brought back to life.

Shep doesn't need to go emo over it but he wasn't just clinically dead he was full on brain dead for weeks if not months.

Modifié par CommanderNuetral, 20 avril 2011 - 04:19 .

[ScepticMatt]

if they handle this in me3, they need to be very careful or they are going to ****** a lot of people off.

[Warlocomotf]

Torhagen wrote...

Religious People invented creationism for instance
Over time many brilliant People were tortured and/or killed because oft religious beliefs
just two facts from the tip oft the head why religion is bad news

Religion is a means/catalyst for powerhungry people, it is not the reason such people exist.
That argument is a whole lot like "video games make children violent" / "video games are the reason for school shootings"- it's entirely untrue, these people are lunatics- if they somehow use video games (or religion) as a means of executing their insanity, that still leaves the person guilty.

[Games4ever]

My Shep is an atheist as me. In fact playing ME 2 made me an atheist..
before ME2 I thought the moon was just a candle :-)

[darknoon5]

One Shepard is atheist as Richard Dawkins, one thinks there might be some god or other, and my main is agnostic leaning towards atheist. The rest, idunno.

[Jedi Master of Orion]

Grymgris wrote...
Really, you don`t se it? 

Well for one example, Christianity states that humas are made in the image of god, why would humans be created that way and not all the other thousands upon thousands of races, why would god create humans in his own image millions of years after the first intelligent races existed in the galaxy.

That's a very literal interreptation. Maybe if I believed that humans were the first creatures in existence I would have a problem, but I don't. Not everyone in the world is stuck to such a rigid interpretation of religion.

Modifié par Jedi Master of Orion, 20 avril 2011 - 06:22 .

[Kane-Corr]

Well, I'm a Christian, and since I play as myself...my Shep is definately one too. Yes, there are questions as to why races existed before humans in the Mass Effect Universe and such. But, I like to think of it this way:

God...and everything that exists about Him and His relationship with us...we only know and comprehend a certain aspect. I think about the Universe...then about Him, and I think about how vast all of this really is. Now, it's really hard to compare the Mass Effect Universe with ours, because so many things are different...but basically, I still play as myself, a Christian. So, it's interesting, and I'm glad that Bioware included this option for us to somewhat express our beliefs to a member of our crew!

Modifié par Kane-Corr, 20 avril 2011 - 09:45 .

[Torhagen]

Warlocomotf wrote...

Torhagen wrote...

Religious People invented creationism for instance
Over time many brilliant People were tortured and/or killed because oft religious beliefs
just two facts from the tip oft the head why religion is bad news

Religion is a means/catalyst for powerhungry people, it is not the reason such people exist.
That argument is a whole lot like "video games make children violent" / "video games are the reason for school shootings"- it's entirely untrue, these people are lunatics- if they somehow use video games (or religion) as a means of executing their insanity, that still leaves the person guilty.

Sorry thats a huge load of dung. 
People getting tortured over Religious beliefs is a fact 
The evil Amok Computergamer is a baseless theory from Fearmongerers .

[Warlocomotf]

Torhagen wrote...

Warlocomotf wrote...

Torhagen wrote...

Religious People invented creationism for instance
Over time many brilliant People were tortured and/or killed because oft religious beliefs
just two facts from the tip oft the head why religion is bad news

Religion is a means/catalyst for powerhungry people, it is not the reason such people exist.
That argument is a whole lot like "video games make children violent" / "video games are the reason for school shootings"- it's entirely untrue, these people are lunatics- if they somehow use video games (or religion) as a means of executing their insanity, that still leaves the person guilty.

Sorry thats a huge load of dung.  
People getting tortured over Religious beliefs is a fact 
 The evil Amok Computergamer is a baseless theory from Fearmongerers .

Like I said, it's a means/catalyst, the exact opposite also happened in history- people tortured because of their believes. When it comes down to it it's not a person's personal conviction that makes him want to torture or murder- even if that person uses it as justification for what he's doing. The person would have been ****ed up regardless, and religion is a means to his ends.

Additionally, religion was for a long time the most powerful entity- often more powerful than the official king/ruler of nations. Because of this, it attracted people who are drawn to power. This is an inevitable fact of being very powerful- even if it makes for a poor excuse.

I do agree that throughout history religious people have done incredibly horrible things, sometimes under the guise over religious conviction. I do not believe that religion itself is the reason, people do not appear to need religion in order to be ****ed up.

[DRSH]

Agnostic

[Lukertin]

Warlocomotf wrote...
Like I said, it's a means/catalyst, the exact opposite also happened in history- people tortured because of their believes. When it comes down to it it's not a person's personal conviction that makes him want to torture or murder- even if that person uses it as justification for what he's doing. The person would have been ****ed up regardless, and religion is a means to his ends.

Additionally, religion was for a long time the most powerful entity- often more powerful than the official king/ruler of nations. Because of this, it attracted people who are drawn to power. This is an inevitable fact of being very powerful- even if it makes for a poor excuse.

I do agree that throughout history religious people have done incredibly horrible things, sometimes under the guise over religious conviction. I do not believe that religion itself is the reason, people do not appear to need religion in order to be ****ed up.

I would rather a guy threaten to cut off my balls because he doesn't like me than that same guy cut off my balls because 'his god decrees it'.

For the record the only times in history people have done incredibly horrible things over religious conviction started directly with (either because of or as a direct result of) monotheism.  Before that nobody cared, and they all recognized each other's gods as the same gods under different names and mythologies and accepted it.  (i.e. why Romans described Germans as worshiping Jupiter (by which they meant Thor), Greeks adopting cults from Egypt or other regions, etc.).

Modifié par Lukertin, 21 avril 2011 - 10:30 .

[Warlocomotf]

Lukertin wrote...

For the record the only times in history people have done incredibly horrible things over religious conviction started directly with (either because of or as a direct result of) monotheism.  Before that nobody cared, and they all recognized each other's gods as the same gods under different names and mythologies and accepted it.

Simply not true, monotheism far predates christianity (by about 5000-8000 years).