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[Itkovian]

I am contemplating doing another playthrough, and was thinking of trying for Merril's rivalry romance.

However, I was thinking of doing it as part of a diplomacy-style playthrough, which might be a problem since usuallyt the diplomacy options end up adding friendship. In short, it seems to me that to actually have a rivalry relationship with someone you need to be constantly rude/hostile to that person, which ins't my planned character's style.

As such, I was wondering if there was a way I could accomplish this. I would love to have her give up blood magic as part of a romance, but without being a complete douche towards her (in short, trying to dissuade her from her path while still being nice to her).

I know that refusing the arulin'holm will flip friendship towards rivalry in some way, but what happens next? Do you then need to be constantly rude towards her to secure her 100% rivalry, or are there more reasonable options to obtain more rivalry once you are on her rivalry path?

Thank you.

Itkovian

[Forst1999]

Being nice to her doesn't give as much friendship as you might fear. It is easily countered by being against her blood magic in her quests and the Forbidden Knowledge quest (10 rivalry per destroyed book, that's up to 60 points). Maybe throw in one or two reasonable templar decisions, and you'll be fine. Hardest thing is keeping her neutral during act 1 if you are pro-mage, once in act two, do forbidden knowledge, and you are on the right path.

[hoorayforicecream]

Just choose not to deal with demons, be harsh on blood magic, and destroy all of Tahrone's evil tomes in act 2 (5 tomes, +10 rivalry each). There's no need to be rude or direct; you can still be diplomatic. Just be firm in your decision not to help with demons or blood magic. Also, not giving her the arulin'holme is a huge rivalry boost (I believe it sets you to ~50% rivalry regardless of how much friendship you had).

[TheAwesomologist]

You'll have to be careful when you use her in game. Don't take her on any quests where you side with Mages. During the forgotten tomes quest, bring her along and destroy each tome. Once you max her Rivalry you can then be as nice as you want or whatever because I believe the game locks your companions once they've maxed out one way or the other.

[Itkovian]

Allright... the forgotten tomes one will definitely help.

Itkovian

[inquartata02]

Every time I destroy one of the tomes, I picture her making a GRR face, and I find myself amused.

[TheBlackBaron]

Just don't give her the tool she needs to fix the mirror in her Act II quest. That automatically converts any amount of friendship into an equivalent amount of rivalry, then throws on another fifteen points for good measure.

I mean, that's seriously all you need to do. The other personal quests that follow - Questioning Beliefs and the whatnot - will just pile that on further. 

Modifié par TheBlackBaron, 19 avril 2011 - 09:02 .

[bleetman]

Itkovian wrote...

I know that refusing the arulin'holm will flip friendship towards rivalry in some way, but what happens next? Do you then need to be constantly rude towards her to secure her 100% rivalry, or are there more reasonable options to obtain more rivalry once you are on her rivalry path?

Refusing to handover the arulin'holm, the two discussions about it in her hovel afterwards and the rivalmance scene itself in Hawke's estate are enough to cap you for rivalry by themselves, even if you're hovering around neutral. Otherwise, it just reverses whatever friendship you have into rivalry.

I'd been persuing a solid friendship until that point, not capping myself for it due to things like refusing to deal with demons on principle rather than hearing them out then rejecting their offer. There's no need to be rude to her - her rivalrmance is more about trying to dissuade away from her chosen path.

Modifié par bleetman, 19 avril 2011 - 09:11 .

[Northern Sun]

As long as you don't max her friendship at 100, refusing to give the carving tool in "Mirror Image" will instantly make you a rival. I had her up to 85 friendship and got 155 rivalry in the quest and maxed out rivalry with the following post-quest conversations.

[SilentK]

Gahh.... and here I've been rude to poor Merrill without need. Thanks for the heads up... I'll be nicer next time I see her.

[berelinde]

If you max out rivalry during her Act II quest, which is very, very easy to do, the diplomatic dialogue choices afterward are actually very sweet and caring. She's still a little bitter over your refusal to help her, but she seems to appreciate that you're looking out for her.

[theangryllama]

Its actually really easy to do. I went from high enough freindship in act 1 (being pro mage) to get the bonus all the way to full rivalry in act 2.
60 points from forbidden knowledge
20 points for refusing the sloth demon in night terrors
25 points when she betrays you in night terrors (the 'diplomatic' option in this case actually gives you the most rivalry) although being diplomatic afterwards during her apology will net you some freindship back.
You get a chunk of points for 1) refusing her personal quest and 2) not giving her the arulin'holm when you go and do it anyway. Also asking her why pol would run from her after killing the varterral ticks her off to.

So yeah its quite easy. Apart from yelling at her after night terrors all of the options that grant rivalry with merril are generally ones with an arrow or simply refusing a quest which your character will do in whatever style you have used most throughout

[SilentK]

berelinde wrote...

If you max out rivalry during her Act II quest, which is very, very easy to do, the diplomatic dialogue choices afterward are actually very sweet and caring. She's still a little bitter over your refusal to help her, but she seems to appreciate that you're looking out for her.

Well, good thing I just started Act 2    =)   this is the 3:rd time I'm doing the rival thing and I have always been sort of snarky and rude. Feel so stupid, thank you, it will be fun to see how the dialouge differ     =)

[brendar05]

I'm on my 1st playthrough and a funny thing happened after the arulin'holm quest. I refused to give her the item but there was no change in the meter. I think I was already at full friendship or pretty close. I did the opposite in another save, gave her the item and same thing. What gives? I've been trying to romance her at that point. Is there any diference whether she gets the item or not? Without going into too much detail, are there any additional side quests?