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[Xewaka]

This thread's probably been opened before, but the search option wouldn't tell me.
It was stated in Origins that a human-elf hybrid child is completely human in aspect. Yet however, Feynriel, despite being a halfbreed, has very clear and distinguishable elven traits. Is this a situation like the Qunari Horns, which were originally intended to show but couldn't be done because of Origins' model limitation? Is this an honest case of rewriting the lore? Or is it simply that Feynriel is a particular case, due to his Dreamer nature?

[hoorayforicecream]

They made a point of saying that Feynriel is considered to be fully human. I think he's just kind of skinny.

[Xewaka]

hoorayforicecream wrote...
They made a point of saying that Feynriel is considered to be fully human. I think he's just kind of skinny.

His facial traits are far from human, though. He has the oddly shaped eyes, the nose-forehead bridge (a bit subdued, but still there), and his ears are much pointed than a human's.

[nos_astra]

I assume, half-elves can end up looking more like elves as well as more like humans. Well, I hope.

But if everyone is looking life Feynriel it would be extremely easy to single them out.

Modifié par klarabella, 20 avril 2011 - 09:26 .

[Xewaka]

klarabella wrote...
I assume, half-elves can end up looking more like eleves as well as more like humans. Well, I hope.
But if everyone is looking life Feynriel it would be extremely easy to single them out.

It is stated in the Lore that half-human half-elf hybrids look exactly like humans. It's part of the reasons why  people suggest Alistair might be a half-elf born of Fiona.
Yet Feynriel breaks this rule. I'm interested to know why.

[BlueMew]

Xewaka wrote...

klarabella wrote...
I assume, half-elves can end up looking more like eleves as well as more like humans. Well, I hope.
But if everyone is looking life Feynriel it would be extremely easy to single them out.

It is stated in the Lore that half-human half-elf hybrids look exactly like humans. It's part of the reasons why  people suggest Alistair might be a half-elf born of Fiona.
Yet Feynriel breaks this rule. I'm interested to know why.

I am not entirely sure that he does. He looks a bit like Vincento.

[Xewaka]

BlueMew wrote...
I am not entirely sure that he does. He looks a bit like Vincento.

Look closer. The eye shape as well as the face is off for human, the nose does the forehead bridge elves have (if a bit subdued), and his ears are funny.

[AlexXIV]

Well he looks like a human who also shows elven features. That's sort of a retcon since we were led to believe human genes override elven genes, which they obviously don't. Honestly it was only a sort of excuse to not have to do half-elven physics to begin with. Same with the Sten the golden skinned hornless Qunari issue. We have to get used to the fact that many things in DA:O can change because they were not in the game for other reasons than lore. Which means that the lore develops and changes with the franchise. I mean dwarves changed considerably as well. They look much more 'human' in DA2 than in DA:O. Only thing that stayed the same was the size.

So back on topic I think it is safe to say that children of elves and humans are humans with elven features, since even if human features are dominant, they can keep some of their elven features as well. Which makes alot more sense than human genes completely overriding elven. It wouldn't make sense for the sole reason that humans and elves are not that different and if they can reproduce, why should one be wiped out? Doesn't make sense in a evolutionary view. Dominance, yes. Wiping out, no.

Modifié par AlexXIV, 20 avril 2011 - 09:50 .

[rayvioletta]

they're referred to as Elf-Blooded Humans because they usually have little or no Elven traits. I'd imagine that occasionally they may inherit some elven characteristics, either by chance or perhaps his father was or was descended from an Elf-Blooded Human

[TobiTobsen]

I think Feynriel got pretty much the maximum of of his elven ancestry. His eyes are slightly elvish and his nose looks a little bit odd. The ears don't count. Even Danarius ears are more pointy than Feynriels . He still looks human, if you ask me. You only know that he is an elf, because you know his mother.

I think it's just as random as with us humans when it comes to looks. The elven heritage can show through a little bit, but that's not always the case. I always like of remind people of Slim Couldry in Denerim. That guy was a half-elf and if somebody didn't looked like an elf it was Slim. And if the rumour mill is correct even Alistair could be one and he doesn't look very elfish.

I always thought it was strange that the elven genes somehow are overwritten by everything else. What's up with that? Maybe Sten was right. Elves are only good at being oppressed, even at a genetic level.

Modifié par TobiTobsen, 20 avril 2011 - 11:06 .

[Urazz]

Xewaka wrote...

hoorayforicecream wrote...
They made a point of saying that Feynriel is considered to be fully human. I think he's just kind of skinny.

His facial traits are far from human, though. He has the oddly shaped eyes, the nose-forehead bridge (a bit subdued, but still there), and his ears are much pointed than a human's.

Yes, but those features you mentioned still aren't predominant enough for him to be mistaken as an elf.  He would still pass off as human if he wasn't living with his mother.

[Sabariel]

He looked like a skinny arsed pale kid to me...

Modifié par Sabariel, 20 avril 2011 - 11:09 .

[Nimrodell]

Half-elves in DA:O looked like humans entirely - Slim Couldry. If you don't recall him or haven't done Crime Wave chain in Denerim, here's the reminder http://dragonage.wik...wiki/Crime_Wave .

[Randy1012]

Since elves and qunari were redesigned for DA2, it's also possible that elf-blooded humans got a bit of a redesign, as well. Making them look like Feynriel makes way more sense to me than just having all hybrid children look fully human, anyway.

[Icy Magebane]

So where did people learn that Slim Cloudry was half-elven? I don't remember him saying anything like that...

[TobiTobsen]

Icy Magebane wrote...

So where did people learn that Slim Cloudry was half-elven? I don't remember him saying anything like that...

He is always talking about "my people" and "we" when he talks about the Alienage. So if he is no wannabe gangster and the Alienage the hood, I'm pretty sure he is a half-elf

[EmperorSahlertz]

A half-elf is genetically human, they just inherit some physical traits from their parents, like the pronounced nosebridge and odd eyes.

[nos_astra]

EmperorSahlertz wrote...
A half-elf is genetically human, they just inherit some physical traits from their parents, like the pronounced nosebridge and odd eyes.

I doubt people in Thedas are experts in genetics, so when an elf mage says "half-elven children are fully human" she probably means they look human. Sadly Feynriel does not, he looks like a half-elf.

[EmperorSahlertz]

klarabella wrote...

EmperorSahlertz wrote...
A half-elf is genetically human, they just inherit some physical traits from their parents, like the pronounced nosebridge and odd eyes.

I doubt people in Thedas are experts in genetics, so when an elf mage says "half-elven children are fully human" she probably means they look human. Sadly Feynriel does not, he looks like a half-elf.

It's also from the mouth of the writers. They've specifically stated that the offspring of a human-elf coupling is always human.

[nos_astra]

EmperorSahlertz wrote...
It's also from the mouth of the writers. They've specifically stated that the offspring of a human-elf coupling is always human.

Sometimes things can go badly wrong when you're making them up as you go.

For me it makes sense that in Thedas no one would be aware of the actual genetic setup and judge merely by appearance.

Modifié par klarabella, 20 avril 2011 - 02:09 .

[rayvioletta]

it's like saying that all humans have eight fingers and two thumbs. most do, occasionally you get some born with more or less. deviations are not impossible, just rare. sometimes so rare that they're assumed to be impossible until they're seen to be otherwise. for now I'm assuming this applies to Feynriel

[Icy Magebane]

TobiTobsen wrote...

Icy Magebane wrote...

So where did people learn that Slim Cloudry was half-elven? I don't remember him saying anything like that...

He is always talking about "my people" and "we" when he talks about the Alienage. So if he is no wannabe gangster and the Alienage the hood, I'm pretty sure he is a half-elf

lol... fair enough

[tmp7704]

Xewaka wrote...

It is stated in the Lore that half-human half-elf hybrids look exactly like humans. It's part of the reasons why  people suggest Alistair might be a half-elf born of Fiona.
Yet Feynriel breaks this rule. I'm interested to know why.

I vaguely recall Mr.Gaider writing at some point that half-elves may have some subtle elf-like influences in their appearance, like sharper ear tips etc.

I'd guess Feynriel is a combination of both change in the base elf appearance ("looking just like humans" was easier even with "subtle influences" when the elves had facial features very similar to humans to begin with) and the design team just yet again not quite getting the idea of "subtle" (or refusing to utilize it for whatever reasons)