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[Powgow]

 I guess one million topics have been made about this subject but.

Damn, the final boss was both stupid and dissapointing beyond compare.  I just told myself; "ok, in order to keep enjoying I have to crap out the crap I just saw and forget about it for the rest of my life".

It worked till today, I accidentally saw the terminator, and then the flashback occured.

NOOOOO!!!! HOW COULD THEY PUT SOMETHING SO LAME IN MY MASS EFFECT!!!!

But am I the only one with that opinion? And how could they have done this better?

[Skarwael]

It did seem a little silly at first, but reapers have to come from somewhere. Not sure what kind of thing they could have done instead of that. The whole story was leading to it.

[ExtremeOne]

They could have done something better than that

[Swerodent]

ExtremeOne wrote...

They could have done something better than that

Suggestion?
If you provide constructive critisism there is actually a chance that the devs will listen to you.

[Dracotamer]

Yeah, it was a little corny, but it was an interesting boss lol...

[darknoon5]

Honestly, I would've prefered if after fighting through collectors, you entered an incomplete (non-human) reaper to look for information on the reapers (which you could find), fighting waves of husks, until you get to the core...which was a baby terminator. Which you fight in a massive end boss. Would've resolved a few questions such as "when the reapers is full-size, will ti just be a flying human?" And "do all reapers have the same shape?"

Obviously, I'm sure people could think up better ideas, but yeah.

Modifié par darknoon5, 20 avril 2011 - 10:13 .

[Powgow]

The thing that bothers me the most is why it has to look like a human, I mean, whats the point of having a mouth when it doesnt need to eat. Why does it have to shoot lasers out of its eyes? Isnt that the most stupid and cliché organ to shoot from?

Reapers speak of themselves as the pinnacle of evolution. Why do they adopt a primitive body plan? Even if they assemble DNA and organic material from the organisms they harvested, it doesnt mean that it has to look like a human. And since when can a goo of cells and DNA produce metal?

A human body is absolutly not efficient for a space-ship.

I just cant imagine at what point the usually very creative dev team sat down and said; now lets mop up this game with a big metal terminator that shoots lasers from its eyes. That will certainly please everyone!

[Thezezeal]

I recall another thread suggesting that the exterior of the Reapers (what we see in ME1) are the shells, with the species-form existing inside of them.

Either way, I suppose you could argue that they adapt any race that successfully stands upto them-- the kind of idea that this race must be special to be able to kill a Reaper, so they try to mimic it (kind of like how Cerb. was saying Shep. was unique amongst humans, so they wanted HIM/HER back, not just someone like them).

[Dave666]

Thezezeal wrote...

I recall another thread suggesting that the exterior of the Reapers (what we see in ME1) are the shells, with the species-form existing inside of them.

Either way, I suppose you could argue that they adapt any race that successfully stands upto them-- the kind of idea that this race must be special to be able to kill a Reaper, so they try to mimic it (kind of like how Cerb. was saying Shep. was unique amongst humans, so they wanted HIM/HER back, not just someone like them).

Doubtful, if the Reapers only used species that have any sort of victory against them then they would never increase their numbers because their usual modus operandi has been to arrive straight at the Citadel, shutting down all Relays and Communications, after which what kind of a fight could any species offer?

Nope, we're stuck with Humans being 'more genetically diverse'. Joy.

As for the Reaper 'shell', I've seen that theory myself and it still doesn't make any sense to me.  Why build a humanoid form only for it to then be encased in a ship where it can't move?  Whats the point?

@OP Many of us felt exactly the same way you did when we first saw the Termireaper, by this point apathy has set in and we've just reluctantly accepted that we're stuck with it now and its likely to feature in ME:3.

The only theory that makes any sort of sense to me at all is that the Reapers were testing to see if Humanity was a viable option for making Reapers and that the Termireaper was just a sloppy job, that they didn't care about it and so only used the most basic of technology as a test and because of this it retained a 'humanoid' form. Hopefully in ME:3 we'll find that Reapers don't have that form but are simply built as a part of the ship itself.

Modifié par Dave666, 20 avril 2011 - 12:15 .

[Zeratul20]

They probably just pick out the most "interesting" (according to them) species, every time they do this.
Nevertheless, I was a bit disappointed that their only (apparant) motivation seems to be a desire to procreate...

Modifié par Zeratul20, 20 avril 2011 - 12:52 .

[NKKKK]

[MarqueAZ]

Why couldn't it have looked creepier, like a human face melted into the stereotypical reaper silhouette. Like how the hybrid human/alien in that one movie is super-unnerving because you can't tell which it is.

[Dave666]

Zeratul20 wrote...

They probably just pick out the most "interesting" (according to them) species, every time they do this.
Nevertheless, I was a bit disappointed that their only (apparant) motivation seems to be a desire to procreate...

Sovereign:  Rudimentary creatures of blood and flesh, you touch my mind, fumbling in ignorance, incapable of understanding.

Sovereign:  There is a realm of existence, so far beyond your own you cannot even imagine it. I, am beyond your comprehension. I, am Sovereign. 

Sovereign:  "Reaper?" A label created by the Prothean's, to give voice to their destruction. In the end, what they chose to call us is irrelevant... we simply, are.

Sovereign:  Organic life is nothing but a genetic mutation, an accident. Your lives are measured in years and decades, you wither and die. We are eternal, the pinnacle of evolution, and existence. Before us, you, are nothing. Your extinction is inevitable. We, are the end of everything. 

Sovereign:  My kind transcends your very understanding, we are each a nation, independent, free of all weakness. You cannot even grasp the nature of our existence. 

Shepard:  Wait a minute! You wanna make babies?

Sovereign:  Er...

Shepard:  I ask 'cause we've been doing that for two hundred thousand years now and believe me, its not beyond our understanding.

Sovereign:  Your words are as empty as your future, I am the vanguard of your destruction, this, exchange, is over.

Modifié par Dave666, 20 avril 2011 - 01:16 .

[Sajuro]

Theory: EDI was wrong about what the baby Reaper was.

[Autoclave]

Swerodent wrote...

ExtremeOne wrote...

They could have done something better than that

Suggestion?
If you provide constructive critisism there is actually a chance that the devs will listen to you.

The core of ME2 plot is Collectors abducting humans, you cannot change that. I would be much more happy with collectors creating an army of husks. I wouldn't need to suspend my disbelief in this case. 

[Zeratul20]

Dave666 wrote...

Zeratul20 wrote...

They probably just pick out the most "interesting" (according to them) species, every time they do this.
Nevertheless, I was a bit disappointed that their only (apparant) motivation seems to be a desire to procreate...

Sovereign:  Rudimentary creatures of blood and flesh, you touch my mind, fumbling in ignorance, incapable of understanding.

Sovereign:  There is a realm of existence, so far beyond your own you cannot even imagine it. I, am beyond your comprehension. I, am Sovereign. 

Sovereign:  "Reaper?" A label created by the Prothean's, to give voice to their destruction. In the end, what they chose to call us is irrelevant... we simply, are.

Sovereign:  Organic life is nothing but a genetic mutation, an accident. Your lives are measured in years and decades, you wither and die. We are eternal, the pinnacle of evolution, and existence. Before us, you, are nothing. Your extinction is inevitable. We, are the end of everything. 

Sovereign:  My kind transcends your very understanding, we are each a nation, independent, free of all weakness. You cannot even grasp the nature of our existence. 

Shepard:  Wait a minute! You wanna make babies?

Sovereign:  Er...

Shepard:  I ask 'cause we've been doing that for two hundred thousand years now and believe me, its not beyond our understanding.

Sovereign:  Your words are as empty as your future, I am the vanguard of your destruction, this, exchange, is over.

Sovereign: They're on to us, blow them to bits.

[thompsonaf]

MarqueAZ wrote...

Why couldn't it have looked creepier, like a human face melted into the stereotypical reaper silhouette. Like how the hybrid human/alien in that one movie is super-unnerving because you can't tell which it is.

Pic time!









http://www.gifthallo...com/images/3749

[Endurium]

The original Reapers must've been formed using the design and many bodies of some sort of insect or ocean life species.

I think the new human Reaper was going to be outfitted in blue tights with a big letter S emblazoned on its chest, and would fly through space like Superman, crushing all before it and burning enemies with energy beams from its eyes.

[Lapis Lazuli]

Powgow wrote...

 I guess one million topics have been made about this subject but.

Damn, the final boss was both stupid and dissapointing beyond compare.  I just told myself; "ok, in order to keep enjoying I have to crap out the crap I just saw and forget about it for the rest of my life".

It worked till today, I accidentally saw the terminator, and then the flashback occured.

NOOOOO!!!! HOW COULD THEY PUT SOMETHING SO LAME IN MY MASS EFFECT!!!!

But am I the only one with that opinion? And how could they have done this better?

Yeah its pretty retarded. But I don't let anybody's ewoks or Jar Jar Binks annoy me too much. Not if I really like the franchise.

[AdmiralCheez]

It only looked dumb because it was easy to kill and waggled its spine at you.

Had it tried harder to kick your ass, there wouldn't be as much complaining.

It has to be an actual threat to be intimidating, you know?

[CroGamer002]

I never saw any terminator in ME2.

[didymos1120]

AdmiralCheez wrote...

Had it tried harder to kick your ass, there wouldn't be as much complaining.

An issue with many Bioware endbosses.  RoboSpectre was hardly a challenge (and more annoying to me, had its behavior copy-pasted from Geth Hoppers.  The HR at least behaved uniquely, even if that behavior wasn't the greatest.).

[Admoniter]

Dave666 wrote...

Zeratul20 wrote...

They probably just pick out the most "interesting" (according to them) species, every time they do this.
Nevertheless, I was a bit disappointed that their only (apparant) motivation seems to be a desire to procreate...

Sovereign:  Rudimentary creatures of blood and flesh, you touch my mind, fumbling in ignorance, incapable of understanding.

Sovereign:  There is a realm of existence, so far beyond your own you cannot even imagine it. I, am beyond your comprehension. I, am Sovereign. 

Sovereign:  "Reaper?" A label created by the Prothean's, to give voice to their destruction. In the end, what they chose to call us is irrelevant... we simply, are.

Sovereign:  Organic life is nothing but a genetic mutation, an accident. Your lives are measured in years and decades, you wither and die. We are eternal, the pinnacle of evolution, and existence. Before us, you, are nothing. Your extinction is inevitable. We, are the end of everything. 

Sovereign:  My kind transcends your very understanding, we are each a nation, independent, free of all weakness. You cannot even grasp the nature of our existence. 

Shepard:  Wait a minute! You wanna make babies?

Sovereign:  Er...

Shepard:  I ask 'cause we've been doing that for two hundred thousand years now and believe me, its not beyond our understanding.

Sovereign:  Your words are as empty as your future, I am the vanguard of your destruction, this, exchange, is over.

This, all that's missing is a dimmer switch, some candles and Barry White and Mass Effect is now a full blown alien romance sim.

Furthermore.... what in the mother****ing hell is the "Essence" of a species, is it the result of adding radioactive orange dye # 6 to Collector brand liquid human sludge?

Modifié par Admoniter, 20 avril 2011 - 07:56 .

[didymos1120]

Admoniter wrote...

Furthermore.... what in the mother****ing hell is the "Essence" of a species, is it the result of adding radioactive orange dye # 6 to Collector brand liquid human sludge?

Mostly, a way to avoid adding a bunch more purely expostiory dialogue to a scene that was already exposition-heavy. I.e., a time-saving measure. Partly, I'd imagine, it was also an attempt to retain some mystery by letting us wonder exactly how the process works.  I say this because EDI prefaces that statement with "The exact construction methods are unclear..."