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[Biotic_Warlock]

Ahh, the infant terminator... how weird was that?

[IntrepidProdigy]

Thezezeal wrote...

I recall another thread suggesting that the exterior of the Reapers (what we see in ME1) are the shells, with the species-form existing inside of them.

Either way, I suppose you could argue that they adapt any race that successfully stands upto them-- the kind of idea that this race must be special to be able to kill a Reaper, so they try to mimic it (kind of like how Cerb. was saying Shep. was unique amongst humans, so they wanted HIM/HER back, not just someone like them).

That wouldn't make sense though (first sentence), considering we went inside a reaper (granted it was dead/unconscious) that has been almost thoroughly studied by cerberus. Personally, I'm getting tired of finding more retcons/plot holes.

[88mphSlayer]

final boss should've been this:



a whole bunch of baby reapers that looked/sounded like demented synthetic/organic flying babies

[Powgow]

88mphSlayer wrote...

final boss should've been this:



a whole bunch of baby reapers that looked/sounded like demented synthetic/organic flying babies

Oo

What the hell was just burned into my retina?

[Powgow]

Btw, this is a link found in an other thread;

It is confirmed that radio-active supermutant larval humanoïd terminatoresque reaperchild extra-ordinaire is, in fact, the core of the reaper.

Linky: http://www.gameinfor...dcore-fans.aspx

Yet, I deem  this explenation not satisfactory!

Modifié par Powgow, 21 avril 2011 - 09:55 .

[VioletSparks]

it shouldn't have been a boss fight (though it's not inexcusable), but it works to create the 'ahhh, ****, abomination! kill it, kill it!' effect. makes sense (even if this development, and most of mass effect 2's main plot, could have been handled a lot more deftly, and with more tact). I personally have loved every development with the reapers and their counterparts so far... in fact the plot generally hasn't disappointed me at all thus far - in any of the mediums... i'm even forgiving what they did to pallin in inquisition pending further exploration(or inquisition, lol, um no) in ME3 - even if the writing/some areas of the script, can get dodgy at times

[Niddy']

If you killed the reaper you support abortion... just saying.

[DirtyGreasy]

 One thing that always bugged me; if reapers are organic synthetic hybrids that kill all other organic life for no reason, Why in the hell would sovreign have a chair inside of him?

[AdmiralCheez]

DirtyGreasy wrote...

 One thing that always bugged me; if reapers are organic synthetic hybrids that kill all other organic life for no reason, Why in the hell would sovreign have a chair inside of him?

Maybe Saren put it there?

"Ooh.  I like this room.  Let's put a chair in it so I can be all dark and broody and stuff."

[VioletSparks]

DirtyGreasy wrote...

 One thing that always bugged me; if reapers are organic synthetic hybrids that kill all other organic life for no reason, Why in the hell would sovreign have a chair inside of him?

lol I get your point, but sovereign was the vanguard and, evidently, their contingency revolved around humanoids' aid. also, seeing now how they reproduce, it makes sense that beings of that size need access. It's like us willingly housing bacteria
.. it's a symbiotic relationship, it just seems a bit weird when you scale it to our level.. I sincerely hope there is an administrative somewhere inside me which is staffed by those friendly guys they advertise in yaccult adverts, do you not?

[008Zulu]

Babe Mause wrote...

008Zulu wrote...

Seemed a bit small to be a Reaper, at most it would have been about 450 meters tall, Reapers are in the area of 2 kilometers. Unless maybe the Reapers we see are some sort of mechanical exo-armour. Hmmm, giant mech suits. This makes the Reapers perma-cool.

That article in Spanish magazine stated that reapers vary in size from 500-600 m for smaller ships to 2 km for Harbringer, so  maybe Human Reaper was supposed to be just the smaller ship.

Maybe the small ones eventually "grow up" in to the full sized ships, being organic machines and such.

[didymos1120]

DirtyGreasy wrote...

 One thing that always bugged me; if reapers are organic synthetic hybrids that kill all other organic life for no reason, Why in the hell would sovreign have a chair inside of him?

Because it was pretending to be just a really cool ship, and letting it seem like Saren was in charge? 

[Zeratul20]

didymos1120 wrote...

DirtyGreasy wrote...

 One thing that always bugged me; if reapers are organic synthetic hybrids that kill all other organic life for no reason, Why in the hell would sovreign have a chair inside of him?

Because it was pretending to be just a really cool ship, and letting it seem like Saren was in charge? 

Or maybe he was just sitting on a peculiarly shaped cooling tower.

[Lapis Lazuli]

Well, at least it wasn't predictable.

[ubermensch007]

There is a great quote from an ancient Greek philosopher...

Xenophanes is quoted, memorably, in Clement of Alexandria,[5] arguing against the conception of gods as fundamentally anthropomorphic:

"Mortals deem that the gods are begotten as they are,

and have clothes like theirs, and voice and form.

But if cattle and horses and lions had hands or could paint with their hands and create works such as men do,horses like horses and cattle like cattle also would depict the gods' shapes and make their bodies of such a sort as the form they themselves have.'

When I saw the Human Reaper, I was in awe...   I also recalled something said of the Reapers in a codex entry.That some have worshipped them as Gods.A space Cthulu may not be seen as an object of worship to most.But by appealing to the vanity of mankind.One may obtain better results.

Now with this one point about anthropormorphism, I have to disagree with Xenophanes.

"have attributed to the gods all sorts of things that are matters of
reproach and censure among men: theft, adultery, and mutual deception."

The Gods were Super-Human... But what does it mean to be superhuman ?

To be 'subhuman' is to be capable of less than a human being is. Ergo, to be superhuman, is to be capable of all a normal human being is and more.If the Gods could not do certain things that we can do.Than they would be inferior to us (in some ways).But by definition of course, a God is a superior being...Perhaps mankinds greatest gift is 'Will - Power'. We sometimes can take for granted how powerful and terrible a thing freewill can be.

I think the "Human Reaper" was a great concept and Boss Battle.The way some are talking here: Is like someone judging a persons hairstyle before the hairdresser is done creating it.<_< The Collector Base Reaper was incomplete! I almost felt sorry for it.Having to fend for itself, before it even learned how to fight or flee.

And for the record.Why wouldn't a Reaper wish to model itself after a human being.Were bi-pedal, have opposable thumbs and a seemingly inexhaustible creative impulse.(Perhaps that is what they were trying to aquire from us) And last time I checked.Of all the species that inhabit this world.We are also the most powerful and influential of the lot...

Modifié par ubermensch007, 10 juillet 2011 - 10:24 .

[Get Magna Carter]

I thought this was the point where the Reapers motivations started to make sense.
Before this it was just creating mass extinction, going away and coming back to do the same, gaining nothing..a truly worthless existence.
Supplementing their numbers including qualities from the best of other races to enhance their own species while "saving" the other species from an inevitable true extinction makes some sense

[Get Magna Carter]

I'll add that Sovereign had incorporated Lord Haw-Haw style propaganda (i.e. - you can't win so give up) when indoctrinating Saren and was trying the same approach with Shepard.
Consequently much of what he said to Shepard cannot be trusted

[Powgow]

Pff, why would a machine use organic stuff? And why would an allknowing being need to harvest living creatures for their DNA when even we humans can create endless replications in the lab.

Al they needed was one skincell and one read of the DNA and, hey presto, essence of species.

I'm starting to not respect repears as enemies. They just do so many unlogical and downright stupid things. And they should know better. Everything strives to survive in a way that conserves the most energy. But no, reapers hop from planet to planet consuming everything, instead of creating it themselves.

[CitizenThom]

Perhaps, the human reaper machinorama would've been better if it had been less human. Maybe a fleshly looking reaper instead. The robotic humanoid just doesn't come of as the result of super technology created by advanced beings...especially when the advanced beings already have husks.

It wasn't a terrible end game boss, it just wasn't as good as the rest of the game was. The end game fight could've been something more of trying to destroy the reaper building equipment while being attacked by waves of Collectors. As it was, it's a super sized boss, you're on a limited battlefield, so it doesn't seem like you'd actually stand much of a chance against it. If the boss could've had a bigger reach, and it's laser beams slowly broke down your cover so you had to move around on ledges surrounding the reaper to keep finding new cover, that might've been more convincing. A boss that big, right in front of you, isn't going to be as easy to fight as this one was.

[BentOrgy]

Powgow wrote...

Pff, why would a machine use organic stuff? And why would an allknowing being need to harvest living creatures for their DNA when even we humans can create endless replications in the lab.

Al they needed was one skincell and one read of the DNA and, hey presto, essence of species.

I'm starting to not respect repears as enemies. They just do so many unlogical and downright stupid things. And they should know better. Everything strives to survive in a way that conserves the most energy. But no, reapers hop from planet to planet consuming everything, instead of creating it themselves.

Don't blame the Reapers, blame Bioware's steadily degrading story telling.

The Reapers started out with Sovereign in Mass Effect 1, who told us essentially that organics were freak mutations, accidents. He woul dalso go on to tell us that The PURELY MECHANINCAL Reapers had no beggining, and no end. That, "We simply, are." And that the Reapers Agenda was far beyond the scope of our organic understanding.

Very snazzy, omnipotant, and Lovecraftian. I loved it.

Mass Effect 2: Crap rehash of of Soveregin coelesced into Harbinger, throw-away enemies called Collector's (Who could have been compelling, had their story been expounded upon, instead of dropped like a tashcan on fire.) And all of sudden, Sovereign's "Inconceivable" plot is a simple, "We need you to make babies."

Right.<_<

[knightnblu]

As I understand it, the reaper embryo was supposed to be implanted into a Reaper shell similar to Sovereign. Therefore, what you saw at the end of ME2 was the earliest stage of Reaper creation. Once the form was complete, it would have been fitted into the Reaper superstructure that we are familiar with. Therefore, whenever you see the Reaper silhouette, the originating species is also present within it.

I know that you are going to ask for links, documentation, etc., but I don't have any. It is something that I recall seeing about a year ago in these forums, but I don't remember the source. I am fairly sure that I am accurate, just not 100% sure.

[Get Magna Carter]

"inconceivable" is dangerously close to irrational
In a spacewar a badly programmed computer is a bit of a crappy enemy...
A "species" dedicating its existence to eradicating species every few millenia or whatever without making some progress, or a clear endgame or some threat if they did not ..is just nonsense
The big issue here is their repeated retreats into dark space...

(though I did have a wild theory based on the original game that the reapers had a pseudo-religious belief that their creators would one day return and needed to eliminate other species to make way...)

Modifié par Get Magna Carter, 24 juillet 2011 - 02:08 .

[Piata]

I don't think the reaper baby bothered me so much, it was more the execution of it.

The idea that reapers have set up a galactic wide organism farm to further their race is interesting. It's kind of like a farmer planting seeds in the spring and harvesting it in the fall, proliferating and then hibernating through the winter.

Humanity is to the Reapers as chickens are to farmers.

[Dean_the_Young]

I have never understood people who thought the giant metal space squid of Sovereign (aka Reapers as we knew them in ME1) was somehow more serious and intimidating then a giant metal space human.