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[Canadish]

Well.
This is interesting news. More fire for the pyre of the Dragon Age series.

[Persephone]

Beovuk wrote...

Persephone wrote...

Nicholas Sander, the historian in question, is neither fictional nor unknown among historians. Esp. regarding Tudor England. So all you caught was historian and breasts? So not surprised.
And awwwwww, I am trolling because I'm not buying into the outrage? Cute.

I didn't catch everything, because I was just glancing over your graphical description. Your conversations seem deep but are not logical or coherent...

Well, I'll say this:

The thread title in all its biased, tabloid-sy wisdom really annoyed me. (Hence the comparison to Sanders' equally biased and tabloid-sy work) I am aware of fishy stuff going on in the media. And I am not saying that stuff like that is not happening. But since when is that any news? That was done when DAO came out as well. I personally do not know if Bioware/EA are doing this, since I have no proof. If they are, shame on them. It simply doesn't matter to me because I do not trust reviews of any kind. (Reviewers have been saying that Anna Netrebko is the new Maria Callas for years, both professional reviews and the reviews of listeners. I do not own a single one of her recordings because I find her to be mediocre) I can understand why people decide not to trust reviewers anymore. I haven't trusted them in a long time. I hope it's clearer now and I do apologize for coming across as snippy. I was angry and anger isn't a good inspiration for anything.

[Persephone]

Jerrybnsn wrote...

Persephone wrote...

Hah, I WISH. Such a high profile job is way above my capabilities however. Never mind that Bioware has no office in Austria.

Every critical DAII post? Don't give me too much credit. I've criticized the game myself. I'm simply not fond of hyperbole and I'm sorry...the thread title is so tabloid-sy, it's amusing.

You've criticized DAII? Can you give me an instance?  And don't say re-using maps because that's a gimme.

I criticized it today in the "Feel sorry for Bioware thread".

[Shadowbanner]

v_ware wrote...

I recently read this article in my regular gaming magazine and I just wanted to share this.


There you go... I don't really know what to say or how to comment on this. I guess what we feared and suspected is true.
And for those interested: these were all the other games they mentioned that used this strategy:
Bulletstorm, Dragon Age 2…: EA
Black Ops, The Force Unleashed 2, Blood stone…: Activision

PS: Their review of Dragon Age 2: Belgian Gameplay Review: Weakest Bioware game in a very long time. (70pct)
http://social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/141/index/6867686

Thanks for sharing this, extremely annoying.

[LyndseyCousland]

CAILAN
I am now content.

[v_ware]

Persephone wrote...
The thread title in all its biased, tabloid-sy wisdom really annoyed me. (Hence the comparison to Sanders' equally biased and tabloid-sy work) I am aware of fishy stuff going on in the media. And I am not saying that stuff like that is not happening. But since when is that any news? That was done when DAO came out as well. I personally do not know if Bioware/EA are doing this, since I have no proof. If they are, shame on them. It simply doesn't matter to me because I do not trust reviews of any kind. (Reviewers have been saying that Anna Netrebko is the new Maria Callas for years, both professional reviews and the reviews of listeners. I do not own a single one of her recordings because I find her to be mediocre) I can understand why people decide not to trust reviewers anymore. I haven't trusted them in a long time. I hope it's clearer now and I do apologize for coming across as snippy. I was angry and anger isn't a good inspiration for anything.

The original title of the article was: 
THE TIMES THEY ARE-A-CHANGIN'
Reviewperils in a changing gamingindustry.

I changed the title so it summarized it's content. And that Press insider spills all thing. Well, I enjoy some old fashioned cheesy article titles. The quality and tone of the title is in no way a representation of the quality of the content in the article.

Modifié par v_ware, 20 avril 2011 - 11:52 .

[Zeratul20]

Gatt9 wrote...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Payola

I still think this should be investigated,  I'm amazed there's been no class action yet.

A class action suit? What kind of damage have you suffered because of this?

Three reasons why a tort law case would probably never work, off the top of my head:
1. Reviews are subjective, and can even be used as advertising. A consumer must always bear this in mind.
2. As a player, what damage have you suffered? You paid for a game and got it. It didn't live up to your expectations, but that doesn't mean the price you paid would actually be considered as some form of "damage" to you.
3. Burden of proof is on you. Was this marketing tactic (deceptive or not) the main reason why you bought the game?

[Aermord]

I would wish that people would stop commenting on Persephones posts and that she would stop commenting on theirs. I can't believe you are doing this against the OP, who put up a very interesting topic and all you do is steering this thread towards a moderator lock.

If you got things to say, then stay on topic. Otherwise be quiet or go flame each other in another thread you create yourself (if you feel the need for doing it in public) and get the lock you deserve there.

[Shadowbanner]

Aermord wrote...

Thank you for posting this. It's true, and a lot of us were tricked by fake positive early reviews in regard of Dragon Age 2.

In my case it wont happen again. Trust is gone.

That'll be me.

A big thank you to the official UK Xbox magazine which rated DA2 with a glowing 9/10.

You can be sure next time I'll rush to buy issue 73 of your mag...not. <_<

[Shadowbanner]

Alistairlover94 wrote...

Aha! Caught red-handed.

Twice.

Don't forget metacritic scores re the Avanost affair.

Modifié par Shadowbanner, 20 avril 2011 - 11:53 .

[Vice-Admiral von Titsling]

Early Dragon Age 2 reviews were manipulated

I am Jack's complete lack of surprise.

[Shadowbanner]

Persephone wrote...

v_ware wrote...

Persephone wrote...

The title was so nice and melodramatic.

The article itself was not nearly as interesting. Lotsa theories, no hard evidence. Moving on.

And of course this thread would not exist if the so called "consensus" was to support the game. Oh no, then we'd be all defensive and angry about it.

No hard evidence? It was written by the editor in chief of a major gaming magazine.

But they don't have any insight in the workings of the press and dealing with publishers now do they.

No court of law convinces based on hearsay and other such nonsense. No matter who writes articles like this. Would you say it's hard evidence that Anne Boleyn had 6 fingers on one hand, was Henry VIII's DAUGHTER, had three breasts and the face of a monster because a HISTORIAN (They should know, right?) said so? A historian hostile to her who had an AGENDA to blacken her name? But hey, many people DID believe that fool. The six fingers legend has been particularly popular. And it's because of infighting, self-promotion etc. that reviews cannot be trusted either way and why I refuse to do so. Not because of conspiracies that may suit my agenda or not, but because critics are just people and vary in quality. Like historians. Easy as that.

The only one posting here with a hidden agenda is you imo following all your perma-aggressive posts..

Modifié par Shadowbanner, 20 avril 2011 - 11:56 .

[Alex Kershaw]

Wow - pretty obvious though from PCGamer and the like

[Shadowbanner]

Jerrybnsn wrote...

Miashi wrote...

Oh but look, Persephone has this wide array of competences and knowledge, being the daughter of a lawyer and in the marketing/sales field. That sure makes an argument more relevant than anyone else's on the internet.

I can just lol at this law comment. It's a REVIEW. It's a commentary. There's nothing to sue about unless there's defamation.

I've been wondering if Persephone isn't in the marketing/sales field for EA.  Since I've been posting on here for the last month, she has been quite vigourously challenging every critical DAII post.  It's as if it's her full time job.

Hmmmmmmm. Awfully suspicious.

I've reached the same conclusion following all her posts, hence my comment on her "hidden agenda".

Out of curiosity she's been posting all day long (she has posts in the wee hours of the morning till very late at night) defending the undefendable with absurd and off-the-way counterarguments.

She does not come across as a genuine poster defending the game. It's as if she were being paid to defend aggressively the game with absurd arguments i.e. the one used in this very thread

Dear Persephone

As a customer whose been fleeced of 63 pounds for the signature edition AND collector's strategy guide (what a joke) I'm a bit muffed. Nothing personal against BioWare. Ok? Don't get so worked up as you usually do in your replies.

If you like the game, fine, the majority doesn't. Get over it and move on or go and play it.

Modifié par Shadowbanner, 20 avril 2011 - 12:23 .

[Vice-Admiral von Titsling]

Out of curiosity she's been posting all day long (she has posts in the
wee hours of the morning till very late at night) defending the
undefendable with absured and off-the-way counterarguments.

Which is unusual in that she normally doesn't set foot outside the registered user's forum. I figured from the timbre of her posts there that she would naturally try to avoid us hoi polloi in the general forum, but I guess she got a little upset and came to scold us peasants into harmony and love for DA2, with limited results.

Le shrug.

Modifié par Vice-Admiral von Titsling, 20 avril 2011 - 12:19 .

[Shadowbanner]

Persephone wrote...

Jerrybnsn wrote...

Miashi wrote...

Oh but look, Persephone has this wide array of competences and knowledge, being the daughter of a lawyer and in the marketing/sales field. That sure makes an argument more relevant than anyone else's on the internet.

I can just lol at this law comment. It's a REVIEW. It's a commentary. There's nothing to sue about unless there's defamation.

I've been wondering if Persephone isn't in the marketing/sales field for EA.  Since I've been posting on here for the last month, she has been quite vigourously challenging every critical DAII post.  It's as if it's her full time job.

Hmmmmmmm. Awfully suspicious.

Hah, I WISH. Such a high profile job is way above my capabilities however. Never mind that Bioware has no office in Austria.

Every critical DAII post? Don't give me too much credit. I've criticized the game myself. I'm simply not fond of hyperbole and I'm sorry...the thread title is so tabloid-sy, it's amusing.

Can you please quote a single criticism you've posted over the last month, providing a working link? Thank you.

I can understand someone defending the game, fine, but not to admit any flaw whatsoever when they are glaring is just too much.

[Persephone]

Shadowbanner wrote...

Jerrybnsn wrote...

Miashi wrote...

Oh but look, Persephone has this wide array of competences and knowledge, being the daughter of a lawyer and in the marketing/sales field. That sure makes an argument more relevant than anyone else's on the internet.

I can just lol at this law comment. It's a REVIEW. It's a commentary. There's nothing to sue about unless there's defamation.

I've been wondering if Persephone isn't in the marketing/sales field for EA.  Since I've been posting on here for the last month, she has been quite vigourously challenging every critical DAII post.  It's as if it's her full time job.

Hmmmmmmm. Awfully suspicious.

I've reached the same conclusion following all her posts, hence my comment on her "hidden agenda".

Out of curiosity she's been posting all day long (she has posts in the wee hours of the morning till very late at night) defending the undefendable with absured and of-the-way counterarguments..

She does not come across as a genuine poster defending the game. Its as if she were being paid to defend aggressively the game with absurd arguments i.e. the one used in this very thread

Dear Persephone

As a customer whose been fleeced of 63 pounds for the signature edition AND collector's strategy guide (what a joke) I'm a bit muffed. Nothing personal against BioWare. Ok? Don't get so worked up as you usually do in your replies.

If you like the game, fine, the majority doesn't. Get over it and move on or go and play it.

More of PM material but whatever.

Much as I am flattered by such conspiracy theories, I'll say it again: I'd love to work for them, who wouldn't? (Even if I hated them, working for them would be a career highlight!) But until they get an office in Austria (Not bloody likely) and until my credentials fit their requirements, not going to happen. As in ever. And people are calling ME absurd?? Seriously, that's just ridiculous. And much as I hate to say it, my posting style is fluffy clouds and sunshine compared to the hyperbole and melodrama of "Betrayal!", "Bioware killed DA!" , "Fire so and so!", "OMGZ, "true RPGs are dead! Bioware must go under for this!". Do you see the hypocrisy here or are the conspiracy theories going to continue?

What majority? The majority on a board? This isn't about a majority vs. minority dispute.

Getting over it is a fabulous idea, if only both sides would see its merits.

Modifié par Persephone, 20 avril 2011 - 12:25 .

[Lux]

Something like that would explain Greg Tito's review on The Escapist. That perfect score is baffling. On the other hand, it makes for good advertising.

DA2 isn't that bad but it's not that good either.

[Persephone]

Shadowbanner wrote...

Persephone wrote...

Jerrybnsn wrote...

Miashi wrote...

Oh but look, Persephone has this wide array of competences and knowledge, being the daughter of a lawyer and in the marketing/sales field. That sure makes an argument more relevant than anyone else's on the internet.

I can just lol at this law comment. It's a REVIEW. It's a commentary. There's nothing to sue about unless there's defamation.

I've been wondering if Persephone isn't in the marketing/sales field for EA.  Since I've been posting on here for the last month, she has been quite vigourously challenging every critical DAII post.  It's as if it's her full time job.

Hmmmmmmm. Awfully suspicious.

Hah, I WISH. Such a high profile job is way above my capabilities however. Never mind that Bioware has no office in Austria.

Every critical DAII post? Don't give me too much credit. I've criticized the game myself. I'm simply not fond of hyperbole and I'm sorry...the thread title is so tabloid-sy, it's amusing.

Can you please quote a single criticism you've posted over the last month, providing a working link? Thank you.

I can understand someone defending the game, fine, but not to admit any flaw whatsoever when they are glaring is just too much.

Not that I have anything to prove but there ya go: social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/141/index/6694591/6#7145845 Post was written about an hour ago. Satisfied?<_<

[v_ware]

Merkar wrote...

Something like that would explain Greg Tito's review on The Escapist. That perfect score is baffling. On the other hand, it makes for good advertising.

DA2 isn't that bad but it's not that good either.

It's mediocre, which for a Bioware game is bad.

And I agree: 5/5, BEST RPG IN 10 YEARS... Come on. It seems more like a parody if anything.

[Persephone]

v_ware wrote...

Merkar wrote...

Something like that would explain Greg Tito's review on The Escapist. That perfect score is baffling. On the other hand, it makes for good advertising.

DA2 isn't that bad but it's not that good either.

It's mediocre, which for a Bioware game is bad.

And I agree: 5/5, BEST RPG IN 10 YEARS... Come on. It seems more like a parody if anything.

While I wouldn't call it mediocre, I do think that 5/5 and BEST RPG IN TEN YEARS is completely exaggerated and unconvincing. I'd not even call DAO or the BG series that.

[Shadowbanner]

Persephone wrote...

Shadowbanner wrote...

Jerrybnsn wrote...

Miashi wrote...

Oh but look, Persephone has this wide array of competences and knowledge, being the daughter of a lawyer and in the marketing/sales field. That sure makes an argument more relevant than anyone else's on the internet.

I can just lol at this law comment. It's a REVIEW. It's a commentary. There's nothing to sue about unless there's defamation.

I've been wondering if Persephone isn't in the marketing/sales field for EA.  Since I've been posting on here for the last month, she has been quite vigourously challenging every critical DAII post.  It's as if it's her full time job.

Hmmmmmmm. Awfully suspicious.

I've reached the same conclusion following all her posts, hence my comment on her "hidden agenda".

Out of curiosity she's been posting all day long (she has posts in the wee hours of the morning till very late at night) defending the undefendable with absured and of-the-way counterarguments..

She does not come across as a genuine poster defending the game. Its as if she were being paid to defend aggressively the game with absurd arguments i.e. the one used in this very thread

Dear Persephone

As a customer whose been fleeced of 63 pounds for the signature edition AND collector's strategy guide (what a joke) I'm a bit muffed. Nothing personal against BioWare. Ok? Don't get so worked up as you usually do in your replies.

If you like the game, fine, the majority doesn't. Get over it and move on or go and play it.

More of PM material but whatever.

Much as I am flattered by such conspiracy theories, I'll say it again: I'd love to work for them, who wouldn't? (Even if I hated them, working for them would be a career highlight!) But until they get an office in Austria (Not bloody likely) and until my credentials fit their requirements, not going to happen. As in ever. And people are calling ME absurd?? Seriously, that's just ridiculous. And much as I hate to say it, my posting style is fluffy clouds and sunshine compared to the hyperbole and melodrama of "Betrayal!", "Bioware killed DA!" , "Fire so and so!", "OMGZ, "true RPGs are dead! Bioware must go under for this!". Do you see the hypocrisy here or are the conspiracy theories going to continue?

What majority? The majority on a board? This isn't about a majority vs. minority dispute.

Getting over it is a fabulous idea, if only both sides would see its merits.

Persephone

This discussion is not only taking place in a BioWare forum.

You should check other forums in other languages. e.g. Meristation (in Spanish)

They write far, far worser things than us.

Now you may deny the evident, that DA2 has been an epic flop, but gamer reviews, internet forums, nose-diving sales figures, continued drop in sales prices (Amazon UK has dropped the price by over 75% in less than 30 days!!!) seem to be all contradicting what you vehemently defend on a daily basis for the last month.

if you want links to Meristation, the most important Spanish website in the world, please, let me now and I'lll be more than obliged to post them here for everyone to read.

I'm sure others can do likewise for German, French, Dutch and so forth.

Modifié par Shadowbanner, 20 avril 2011 - 12:32 .

[Persephone]

Shadowbanner wrote...

Persephone wrote...

Shadowbanner wrote...

Jerrybnsn wrote...

Miashi wrote...

Oh but look, Persephone has this wide array of competences and knowledge, being the daughter of a lawyer and in the marketing/sales field. That sure makes an argument more relevant than anyone else's on the internet.

I can just lol at this law comment. It's a REVIEW. It's a commentary. There's nothing to sue about unless there's defamation.

I've been wondering if Persephone isn't in the marketing/sales field for EA.  Since I've been posting on here for the last month, she has been quite vigourously challenging every critical DAII post.  It's as if it's her full time job.

Hmmmmmmm. Awfully suspicious.

I've reached the same conclusion following all her posts, hence my comment on her "hidden agenda".

Out of curiosity she's been posting all day long (she has posts in the wee hours of the morning till very late at night) defending the undefendable with absured and of-the-way counterarguments..

She does not come across as a genuine poster defending the game. Its as if she were being paid to defend aggressively the game with absurd arguments i.e. the one used in this very thread

Dear Persephone

As a customer whose been fleeced of 63 pounds for the signature edition AND collector's strategy guide (what a joke) I'm a bit muffed. Nothing personal against BioWare. Ok? Don't get so worked up as you usually do in your replies.

If you like the game, fine, the majority doesn't. Get over it and move on or go and play it.

More of PM material but whatever.

Much as I am flattered by such conspiracy theories, I'll say it again: I'd love to work for them, who wouldn't? (Even if I hated them, working for them would be a career highlight!) But until they get an office in Austria (Not bloody likely) and until my credentials fit their requirements, not going to happen. As in ever. And people are calling ME absurd?? Seriously, that's just ridiculous. And much as I hate to say it, my posting style is fluffy clouds and sunshine compared to the hyperbole and melodrama of "Betrayal!", "Bioware killed DA!" , "Fire so and so!", "OMGZ, "true RPGs are dead! Bioware must go under for this!". Do you see the hypocrisy here or are the conspiracy theories going to continue?

What majority? The majority on a board? This isn't about a majority vs. minority dispute.

Getting over it is a fabulous idea, if only both sides would see its merits.

Persephone

This discussion is not only taking place in a BioWare forum.

You should check other forums in other languages. e.g. Meristation

They write far, far worser things than us.

Now you may deny the evident, that DA2 has been an epic flop, but gamer reviews, internet forums, nose-diving sales figures, continued drop in sales prices (Amazon UK has dropped the price by over 75% in less than 30 days!!!) seem to be all contradicting what you vehemently defend on a daily basis for the last month.

if you want links to Meristation, the most important Spanish website in the world, please ,let me now and I'lll be more than happy tu post them here for everyone to read.

I'm sure others can do likewise for German, French, Dutch and so forth.

I am on other forums as well and I am well aware of the mixed reaction. I can understand it. Should it influence my personal opinion? No.Epic flop? No. Will it sell 5-10 million copies? No. Will it make Bioware money? Yes. Should they take more time when it comes to DAIII ? Yes. I'd love to read what they say on Meristation, but sadly I do not speak Spanish. (My first language is German btw) 

Now back on topic!