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[Cutlass Jack]

Miashi wrote...

Combat's never really been something that I emphasized on RPGs. It's an aspect that I've never personally liked, so it could be strategical, button masher - if I could skip combat I would do it without a second thought. But at the same time, I've accepted combat as a part of an RPG and I deal with it the best way I can - if it's too hard for me, I scale the difficulty down - but I would definitely not go my way out to micromanage a fight.

This was a lot what the demo was; a glance at combat. What interests me is the story. Here's the deal; my initial perception about the story was skewed. I thought that the Lothering flee part was NOT the beggining of the game. As a matter of fact, I was 100% convinced that there was a game segment in Lothering, with possibly an Alistair / Morrigan / Lelianna cameo. That was my first dissapointment of the game.

My wife feels the same as you with regards to combat. Her biggest concern with DA2 was the combat. If she gets too much vertigo playing a game she can't get to the good story parts. So that was most important to her in the demo.

I'm surprised you thought there was more before Lothering though. The earliest pre-review previews I read mentioned the game started as fleeing Lothering, and the demo I thought made it pretty clear thats where they planned to start the thing.

I wasn't really expecting cameos of anyone other than Flemeth myself in the beginning. And after Awakening's disappointing one I'm starting to think less cameos are better. Which was proven true multiple times in Act 3 of this game.

[ManiacalEvil]

 It's funny how the Internet believes any kind of bull**** such as this article. The guy is obviously lying to get more views, thus more profit.

[Gaius Octavian]

Persephone wrote...

Yrkoon wrote...
Courts convict all the time on witness testimony.  Which is exactly what this article is.

Read the rest of my post.

I'm the daughter of a lawyer. No, they do not rely on hearsay evidence without evidence to back it up. (Show me proof positive of Bioware FORBIDDING negative reviews being released.) Or would you say what that historian wrote to suit his hostile agenda is witness testimony too and portraying Anne Boleyn with normal hands, a normal face and two breasts is misleading and a betrayal of "true" history? It can be played either way. That's the bloody point.

Take off the fanboy panties. You post your drivel in every thread that doesn't state "DA2 IS LEGEND GREAT GAME" or something to the effect. 

Edit : Yrkoon is right, which makes your drivel even more funny, little miss "oh well I'm a lawyer's daughter". People get convicted on false witness statements and heresay all the time. Hence articles always popping up with "convicted man proven innocent". 

Modifié par Gaius Octavian, 20 avril 2011 - 03:11 .

[v_ware]

ManiacalEvil wrote...

 It's funny how the Internet believes any kind of bull**** such as this article. The guy is obviously lying to get more views, thus more profit.

 
How does that work?

[Teredan]

ManiacalEvil wrote...

 It's funny how the Internet believes any kind of bull**** such as this article. The guy is obviously lying to get more views, thus more profit.

You're hopelessly naive, even without the article it should be pretty clear that's how the world works.

Modifié par Teredan, 20 avril 2011 - 03:06 .

[ManiacalEvil]

v_ware wrote...

ManiacalEvil wrote...

 It's funny how the Internet believes any kind of bull**** such as this article. The guy is obviously lying to get more views, thus more profit.

 
How does that work?

You didn't know about this wonderful thing called ads?

[v_ware]

ManiacalEvil wrote...

v_ware wrote...

ManiacalEvil wrote...

 It's funny how the Internet believes any kind of bull**** such as this article. The guy is obviously lying to get more views, thus more profit.

 
How does that work?

You didn't know about this wonderful thing called ads?

Yes I have. And I think you'don't quite know how they work.

[Cutlass Jack]

v_ware wrote...

To both of you: If reviews range from 5/5: BEST RPG OF THIS DECADE or 94 pct; Darker, sexier, better; I (and I'm sure a lot of gamers) will asume that those mentioned problems are minor annoyances, and that the game is awesome and you misintepreted the demo. And again: an opinion of a one hour demo doesn't have as much gravitas as someones opinion of the whole game.

Honestly, who would you be more inclined to believe?

Go back and read my earlier post. I never go by numeric ratings in reviews. I never buy games purely off them having good numbers. Ever. I've bought games I've loved in the past that had honestly mediocre numbers. But I realized reading the review that what really grinded the reviewers gears wouldn't bother me much but something else they mentioned really would be up my alley.

Its impossible to take lines like 'best rpg of the decade' seriously on the first half of the first year in that decade. And Darker and Sexier aren't words that sell games for me. But might be enough for me to take a look at the demo for a game I'd otherwise ignore.

But I'll always trust my hands on experience over a reviewer every time. Again if you have doubts, wait for reviewers you trust. The game will still be there.

[G00N3R7883]

v_ware wrote...

PS: Their review of Dragon Age 2: Belgian Gameplay Review: Weakest Bioware game in a very long time. (70pct)
http://social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/141/index/6867686

So the "honest" review of Dragon Age 2 gives it 70%.

That's still a decent score, and far better than alot of the haters have been saying. There's quite some difference between 70% and "OMG WORST GAME EVER 0/10".

I haven't read that review, but I guess just based on that score it will match up with my own: not as awesome as DA:O, but still good and had some enjoyable stuff.

[Dark83]

The title is misleading. It should read "All reviews are manipulated by large publishers." This is nothing new, except to those people who still bother to read the shills big publications.

[Miashi]

Thing is, taken in perspective, DA:2 is not the worst game out there. The explosive reactions are mainly outlining that it's Bioware's worst game.

Pretty sure the majority of the "haters" will wholeheartly agree that there are far worst games out there, all publishers combined. But within Bioware's line of products, I don't think there's a worst game than DA:2.

Modifié par Miashi, 20 avril 2011 - 03:14 .

[Aaleel]

Well I can't rent a game for the PC to try it, and the demo didn't show nearly anything about the game aside from the new combat system.

The demo didn't show the reused areas, nor did it show you that the city you end up spending 85% of the game in would be lifeless, mostly empty, and never changing.

Even the combat in the demo, reinforcements came from logical locations like paths or doorways, and in less numbers. It wasn't until the actual game that they started materializing out of thin air or falling through the ceiling.

As far as the article, if it's money involved for a project you've spent years on, I'd expect nothing else. I really didn't need an article to tell me this stuff happens.

[Everwarden]

Rockpopple wrote...
Again, "lack of choices and lame story" is not an objective failing to the game, it's a subjective one based on your own life experiences. 

It is when that's a major selling point in interviews and previews.

[jnrhrt]

v_ware wrote...

ManiacalEvil wrote...

v_ware wrote...

ManiacalEvil wrote...

 It's funny how the Internet believes any kind of bull**** such as this article. The guy is obviously lying to get more views, thus more profit.

 
How does that work?

You didn't know about this wonderful thing called ads?

Yes I have. And I think you'don't quite know how they work.

Actually, it's pretty common for blogs and online articles to "exaggerate" the truth by claiming to have an inside source in order to boost views and ad dollars.

It happens a lot on tech blogs. Just look at all the lies/"rumors" surrounding the iPad2.

[ManiacalEvil]

Magazines (both online and physical) receive in function of the number of clients who sees the ad, or buys the magazine. THis is truth, verified by myself, since I work in the area.

[v_ware]

jnrhrt wrote...

v_ware wrote...

ManiacalEvil wrote...

v_ware wrote...

ManiacalEvil wrote...

 It's funny how the Internet believes any kind of bull**** such as this article. The guy is obviously lying to get more views, thus more profit.

 
How does that work?

You didn't know about this wonderful thing called ads?

Yes I have. And I think you'don't quite know how they work.

Actually, it's pretty common for blogs and online articles to "exaggerate" the truth by claiming to have an inside source in order to boost views and ad dollars.

It happens a lot on tech blogs. Just look at all the lies/"rumors" surrounding the iPad2.

Well, forums don't work the same way as blogs.

And seriously, making money out of posting on a forum that doesn't have ads. SAY WHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAT?

Modifié par v_ware, 20 avril 2011 - 03:24 .

[ManiacalEvil]

I recently read this article in my regular gaming magazine and I just wanted to share this.

And seriously, making money out of posting on a forum.

Does not compute. That is all.

Unless you think I'm accusing you of lting to make money. I am not, I am accusing the author of the review of lying to make money.

[Miashi]

ManiacalEvil wrote...

Magazines (both online and physical) receive in function of the number of clients who sees the ad, or buys the magazine. THis is truth, verified by myself, since I work in the area.

So hypothetically, if a company doesn't want to place an ad for their game on your site because you trash their games you don't get money from them, and you potentially lose money. Right?

[AlexXIV]

Well we will never have harder proof than this. And I hear about 'bought' reviews for ... what ... ten years? It is a business and it is about money, you need not know more about it. Anyway it seems early reviews go to people who write good reviews. It should be relatively easy to affirm that by comparing reviews and when they are released.

Anyway, the early DA2 reviews really sucked because they didn't really tell all the downsides of the game. Sure it was said that they reused areas and they said that the ending was rather disappointing, but above that DA2 was mostly praised. Which kind of tells me to not trust reviews. Especially not the good ones.

Modifié par AlexXIV, 20 avril 2011 - 03:29 .

[Rockpopple]

Everwarden wrote...

Rockpopple wrote...
Again, "lack of choices and lame story" is not an objective failing to the game, it's a subjective one based on your own life experiences. 

It is when that's a major selling point in interviews and previews.

... No offense, but I don't think you know the difference between the meanings of "subjective" and "objective".

But I suppose that is neither here nor there.

[v_ware]

G00N3R7883 wrote...

v_ware wrote...

PS: Their review of Dragon Age 2: Belgian Gameplay Review: Weakest Bioware game in a very long time. (70pct)
http://social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/141/index/6867686

So the "honest" review of Dragon Age 2 gives it 70%.

That's still a decent score, and far better than alot of the haters have been saying. There's quite some difference between 70% and "OMG WORST GAME EVER 0/10".

I haven't read that review, but I guess just based on that score it will match up with my own: not as awesome as DA:O, but still good and had some enjoyable stuff.

I agree. It was mediocre, not bad, not great either. Not what I'm used to from Bioware. Some things were better in DA2, most were worse.

[Wittand25]

v_ware wrote...
To both of you: If reviews range from 5/5: BEST RPG OF THIS DECADE or 94 pct; Darker, sexier, better; I (and I'm sure a lot of gamers) will asume that those mentioned problems are minor annoyances, and that the game is awesome and you misintepreted the demo. And again: an opinion of a one hour demo doesn't have as much gravitas as someones opinion of the whole game.

Honestly, who would you be more inclined to believe?

But reviews did not range from 100 to 94. The one I mentioned came out two weeks before release and gave have about 85/100 which is about right maybe a tad high (if you do not take the bugs into account, which magazine reviews can hardly do since they are written long before release). All reviews that I read pointed out the reused areas, that you only see a small part of the world, that areas are often lifeless ...  . All that does not change that DA2 is a good game not as great as it predecessor but still good.

Really if you are not capable finding information before release that I and others somehow had little problem finding even months before release (I remember reading about the few and static NPCs in Kirkwall even back in December or January), claiming that somehow Bioware cheated or tricked you is a little bit far fetched.

[v_ware]

Wittand25 wrote...

v_ware wrote...
To both of you: If reviews range from 5/5: BEST RPG OF THIS DECADE or 94 pct; Darker, sexier, better; I (and I'm sure a lot of gamers) will asume that those mentioned problems are minor annoyances, and that the game is awesome and you misintepreted the demo. And again: an opinion of a one hour demo doesn't have as much gravitas as someones opinion of the whole game.

Honestly, who would you be more inclined to believe?

But reviews did not range from 100 to 94. The one I mentioned came out two weeks before release and gave have about 85/100 which is about right maybe a tad high (if you do not take the bugs into account, which magazine reviews can hardly do since they are written long before release). All reviews that I read pointed out the reused areas, that you only see a small part of the world, that areas are often lifeless ...  . All that does not change that DA2 is a good game not as great as it predecessor but still good.

Really if you are not capable finding information before release that I and others somehow had little problem finding even months before release (I remember reading about the few and static NPCs in Kirkwall even back in December or January), claiming that somehow Bioware cheated or tricked you is a little bit far fetched.

I'm not saying they tricked me. They tried to however. And that's far worse.

As if the marketing on this game wasn't enough, trying to manipulate reviews. Pathetic. Just sure your games are good enough and you won't have to resort to this.

Modifié par v_ware, 20 avril 2011 - 03:36 .

[upsettingshorts]

I guess I shouldn't like the game as much as I do then.

[Shadowbanner]

Persephone wrote...

Shadowbanner wrote...

Persephone wrote...

Shadowbanner wrote...

Persephone wrote...

Jerrybnsn wrote...

Miashi wrote...

Oh but look, Persephone has this wide array of competences and knowledge, being the daughter of a lawyer and in the marketing/sales field. That sure makes an argument more relevant than anyone else's on the internet.

I can just lol at this law comment. It's a REVIEW. It's a commentary. There's nothing to sue about unless there's defamation.

I've been wondering if Persephone isn't in the marketing/sales field for EA.  Since I've been posting on here for the last month, she has been quite vigourously challenging every critical DAII post.  It's as if it's her full time job.

Hmmmmmmm. Awfully suspicious.

Hah, I WISH. Such a high profile job is way above my capabilities however. Never mind that Bioware has no office in Austria.

Every critical DAII post? Don't give me too much credit. I've criticized the game myself. I'm simply not fond of hyperbole and I'm sorry...the thread title is so tabloid-sy, it's amusing.

Can you please quote a single criticism you've posted over the last month, providing a working link? Thank you.

I can understand someone defending the game, fine, but not to admit any flaw whatsoever when they are glaring is just too much.

Not that I have anything to prove but there ya go: social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/141/index/6694591/6#7145845 Post was written about an hour ago. Satisfied?<_<

Thank you.

But I'm afraid not. It sounds hollow.

*Snip*

Bizarre, to say the least, suspicious at most. Wouldn't you agree?

Eh?

I listed my issues with the game. If that comes across as hollow to you, there is nothing I can do. And it had nothing to do with Sales. (Not in that post, anyway)

I'll re-list them (Short version):

- Re-used enviroments
- Too few locations
- Rushed final portion of the game
- Lack of equipping companions fully
- Isometric camera gone
- Too little companion interaction with Hawke (I loved what was there, but I want to question them more to get to know them)

Those are my issues with it. I have similar issues with DAO. If it takes paragraphs of hyperbole and bashing to convince you, sorry, not going to happen.

And no, I would not agree. Many things also come across as suspicious to me. You wouldn't agree with me either. So lets just agree to disagree.

I beg your pardon, I hadn't seen that.

We will agree to that, indeed.