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[Ndutz]

Hey guys,

All of us here knows that in order to gain rivalry point from Anders you should pick  the anti-mage freedom options and that should give you plenty of rivalry points. If you do this then Anders basically

But there is another way to gain his rivalry, for example if you made dealings with demons, or you support merill's blood magic use. There is certainly enough rivalry points obatainable by doing this.

Question is does Anders perception of you change if you gain your rivalry point this way instead of the pro-chantry way. Does his dialog's during questioning belief change or he would still refer to you as a mage-bigot.

The reason i askedis because i want to roleplay a Bloodmage (like many others im sure). And i would like to be rival with Anders but i still want to be a pro-mage.

So has anyone tested this or he always recognise you as a mage hater whenever you re in rivalry status with him.

[Inzhuna]

AFAIK, he will still say the same things. There's no dialogue where Anders reacts to Hawke being a blood mage.

[Apathy1989]

Nope rivalry dialogue is always about you supporting the circle/templars. One run through I didn't bring anders along in times where he would gain friendship (such as letting mages go free), and I took a hostile stance at him against justice and how he was stupid. Ended up with 50% rivalry, and him complaining about how I support the templars despite the opposite being true.

[Ndutz]

Meh that sucks, Anders friendship is too sugary for me. Thank you for the response.

[rayvioletta]

it's the same with all of them sadly, their dialogue ignores anything you've actually done and just makes assumptions based on your friendship or rivalry with them
Isabela, if rival, will assume you're an absolute goody-two-shoes incapable of fun and who never drinks
rival Merrill will assume you've opposed her blood magic and mirror repairs every step of the way and never done anything to help her even if you bloody well did
and so on

[Eollodwyn]

This is the reason why I couldn't rival him in my canon run-through. I want to so badly, because I want to keep him from giving in to Justice, but it would make no sense for him to act as though I'm pro-templar when my Hawke is every bit as pro-mage as he is.

[frustratemyself]

I would have been nice if there was more depth to the rivalry. Probably something that would be too overcomplicated to put in the game but nice in an ideal world.

[Sarcastic Tasha]

I played as a blood mage and got loads of rivalry from dealing with the demon in the fade. I found it odd he then assumed Hawke didn't care about mages. In the end I decided to make Hawke indifferent to the "mages plight" and more bothered about profit and power so that kind of fit. Merrill manages to make both Fenris and Anders angry with her blood magic so why can't Hawke?

[Ndutz]

Well its only a spec so i'm not expecting a major dialog or something. It should not change anything major especially since you can respec out of it or maybe you just pick it for the bonus.

A little acknowledgement would be good though.

[Ndutz]

rayvioletta wrote...

it's the same with all of them sadly, their dialogue ignores anything you've actually done and just makes assumptions based on your friendship or rivalry with them
Isabela, if rival, will assume you're an absolute goody-two-shoes incapable of fun and who never drinks
rival Merrill will assume you've opposed her blood magic and mirror repairs every step of the way and never done anything to help her even if you bloody well did
and so on

With Merill i always befriend her. Then based on my Hawke's stance on Blood Magic i would either deny or give her the dalish artifact in act ii. If you deny it she'll out right fill  out her Rivalry meter in proportion to your friendship.

[highcastle]

I love the idea of rivalry, but I agree it's a bit 2 dimensional at times. I too would have loved to rival Anders as far as Justice was concerned, but support the mages in general. Alas, this cannot be. I would love to see a Dragon Age game where the friendship meter was taken out and instead companions reacted specifically just to the choices you make. I have no idea how much work this would be, though (quite a bit, I suspect). At least friendship/rivalry offers more depth than the single-sided friendship scale in Origins, so improvements have definitely been made.

[IanPolaris]

There is one very important difference that I found out the hard way. If you sell Fenyriel's Soul to Torpor, you kill any chance at an Anders romance. If you make the boy Tranquil, you don't.

-Polaris

[Retrogue]

So how DOES one go about a rivalry romance with Anders, other than siding with the Templars? What do you need to say? I like the idea of a love-hate relationship with him. But I'm not sure it would be characteristic of my rogue Hawke to be anti-mage. She'd go to Hell and back to protect her sister.

[Ryzaki]

Retrogue wrote...

So how DOES one go about a rivalry romance with Anders, other than siding with the Templars? What do you need to say? I like the idea of a love-hate relationship with him. But I'm not sure it would be characteristic of my rogue Hawke to be anti-mage. She'd go to Hell and back to protect her sister.

You can be pro-circle then. You don't have to anti-mage. 

Even my harshest anti-mage characters are always protective of Bethany. 

[LadyJaneGrey]

Retrogue wrote...

So how DOES one go about a rivalry romance with Anders, other than siding with the Templars? What do you need to say? I like the idea of a love-hate relationship with him. But I'm not sure it would be characteristic of my rogue Hawke to be anti-mage. She'd go to Hell and back to protect her sister.

Call Anders out on his relationship with Justice and his methodology; also, acknowledge that the templars have legitimate concerns.

[LyndseyCousland]

Ugh, there does my idea of rivalry with him. It wouldn't make any flaming sense since I'm pro-mage/anti-templar.