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[_Motoki_]

TeenZombie wrote...

No. I will absolutely not buy any DLC or an expansion to this game and I would be extremely hesitant to purchase a third game in this franchise, at this point. A LOT would have to happen to convince me to purchase anything this team produces, ever again.

This is exactly where I am at as well. They took what I felt was a beloved and amazing game where you get control over who you are and what you do and turned it into a mediocre Final Fantasy game. It would take a lot for me to buy another Dragon Age or Bioware game again, though I will happily buy old Bioware games from CD Projekt's GOG.com 

At this point there are simply too many other games I am interested in (Witcher 2, Skyrim etc) for me to worry about a franchise, and really a company as a whole, that to me has lost it's way and gone way off course of what it started out as.

To be honest, I don't think I am their audience anymore in the era of EA. I'm not a teenager, I actually have an attention span, I want depth not an awesome button, I don't particularly care for most modern anime or exaggerated, cartoony kung fu style fighting etc.

Modifié par _Motoki_, 20 avril 2011 - 05:00 .

[JaegerBane]

neppakyo wrote...

Dear Bioware/EA;

No more effing DLC's. Concentrate on making a full game first, and patch any bugs. Then maybe a year down the road make an expansion, or add-ons for a "Gold/Diamond/Ultimate" version.

In conclusion, F*ck DLC's. Thank you.

I just love knee-jerk rubbish like this. If they'd followed your advice we'd never have gotten Lair of the Shadow Broker.

Obviously care must be taken in making the DLCs or they go wrong (like the later DA:O DLC), but flatly discounting all DLCs is just nonsense.

[neppakyo]

For every Lair of the Shadow Broker, There's 100+ crap.

So my faith in DLC's is quite justified.

[PlumPaul93]

neppakyo wrote...

For every Lair of the Shadow Broker, There's 100+ crap.

So my faith in DLC's is quite justified.

agreed most DLC is garbage only occasionally are there good ones.

[HonestJoe]

_Motoki_ wrote...

To be honest, I don't think I am their audience anymore in the era of EA. I'm not a teenager, I actually have an attention span, I want depth not an awesome button, I don't particularly care for most modern anime or exaggerated, cartoony kung fu style fighting etc.

I'm afraid you hit the nail on the head here.
Nothing Bioware has released has really resonated with me since before the rather ordinary Awakening expansion.

I won't say that I'll definitely avoid future DLC, but I there will be heavy scrutiny before any purchase is made. After shelling out $100+ AUD on the DA:2 preorder, I don't have the same level of trust in Bioware to buy something sight unseen.

The golden days of KOTOR and DA:O are gone, the awesome button is here to stay

Modifié par HonestJoe, 20 avril 2011 - 05:18 .

[ejoslin]

Sareth Cousland wrote...

ejoslin wrote...

If the DAO DLCs were turning a good profit, they would have had the resources to continue them.  There's no one that stupid in business who thinks, "Wow, these are selling really well and making us quite a bit of money.  Let's discontinue them."

Edit: Well, perhaps there are people that stupid, I don't know.  But you don't discontinue making things that are making money -- that hurts the bottom line.  You discontinue making them if they're not as profitable as you hoped.  It really would stand to reason that DA2 had a different budget than DAO.  And if they were actually combined, that would be more reason to think that the DAO DLCs were doing poorly.

But again, if the DA2 DLCs are well received, and they look interesting to me, yes, I'll buy it.

Considering all that's inherently wrong with DA2 in the eyes of many players, I think a quality DLC for DA:O along the lines of LotSB would be very well-received. The problem with DA:O DLC was the quality of concept & writing. Hell, as it is now, DA:O is far more similar to Mass Effect than DA2 could ever be; the core mechanics may be there (dialogue wheel etc), but the soul of the first game was much closer to that of  the ME series. There was an advertising line about the so-called "cinematic experience" DA2 should become, yet  there were WAY more cinematic moments in DA:O than in its arcade / cartoon sequel.

The problem is, the current leadership team seems to think DAO is broken.

When Awakening came out, people here yelled about the new conversation system.  The devs kept saying that the old system was broken and they're working on a new one.  Yet...  instead of listening to what their fans were saying, DA2 showed that they're actually NOT listening to the feedback of their fans here unless it is in line with what the leadership team thinks we should like.

Would I buy a quality DLC for DAO, one that had the old companions, including the LIs?  I'd buy an expansion that had that, and I'd pay far too much for it IF it were well written.

Would I buy a DA2 DLC that had more conversations with the companions, and perhaps added to the romances?  Yes, I'd pay FAR too much for that as well, and it would be a bonus if it had a new zone and a compelling story.

And no, I don't need a dating sim.  I'm actually happily married.  But the romances in DAO were so well done and drew me in so deeply -- and it's not only women who feel that way.  The romances in DAO made the game feel like there really was a personal stake that the warden had.  My first two playthroughs, mainly unspoiled, I made decisions about the dark ritual based on what had happened in my romances.  First one, I was fully set to kill my poor warden via arch demon after Alistair dumped her, and there was STILL a kick in the gut coming from that decision.  My second one, there was no way I'd risk dying and break Zevran's heart.  They were going to start a life together, Alistair WAS going to be king as well, so it had to be done.

Without the romances in DAO, the DR decision would not have had nearly the impact IMO.

[DownyTif]

For a DAO DLC or expansion, yes anytime. For DA2 expansion or DLC, nope. For DA3, I'll answer 2 weeks after release hehe

[_Motoki_]

ejoslin wrote...

The problem is, the current leadership team seems to think DAO is broken.

*sigh* That's just depressing and there's nothing we can do except mourn the loss of our game and move on I guess.

When Awakening came out, people here yelled about the new conversation system.  The devs kept saying that the old system was broken and they're working on a new one.  Yet...  instead of listening to what their fans were saying, DA2 showed that they're actually NOT listening to the feedback of their fans here unless it is in line with what the leadership team thinks we should like.

I think it goes higher up than them even. All the way up to EA. No matter how many times they protest that EA is giving them autonomy I won't ever believe it. This is simply EA's M.O. to force an existing franchise into being something else in order to try and appeal to the lowest common denominator and grab more money.

They did the same thing with the long-standing, beloved Ultima series in the early 90s and I don't believe they have changed at all in the last 20 years. It was EA's meddling that got the excellent Ultima 7 followed up by essentially Super Avatar Brothers and I believe it was their directives that got the excellent DA:O followed up by essentially Final Fantasy: Kirkwall.

[suprhomre]

BeefoTheBold wrote...

Not a chance.

Spending more money on this game will feel like paying extra for a complete original title.

Right now I feel like I paid Special Limited Edition price for the PC version to be a beta tester on an unfinished product. I almost certainly won't pay out a single red cent for any future DLC for Dragon Age 2. If it is hinted that the DLC will contain critical storyline updates (similar to how it was hinted with Witch Hunt) then I will read reviews first to determine if Bioware has finally gone back to making QUALITY releases and, if not, I'll just google for the storyline updates.

Subpar releases by this once Gold Standard company have brought me here whereas previous to releases like Awakenings, Witch Hunt, Arrival and DA2, I preordered and bought everything that Bioware released without any thought whatsoever given.

Exactly my thoughts.

[ejoslin]

Sareth Cousland wrote...

ejoslin wrote...

The problem is, the current leadership team seems to think DAO is broken.

Maybe they'll reconsider after the changes to the franchise were not too well received.

Or they'll streamline further, to appeal to a different audience rather than the one they already had.

Gah, I hope not.  But the devs have referred to DAO as a niche product, and they want to move out of being one I suppose.  Though that's weird.  Shooters also could be called a niche market.  I'm not asking that they be changed because I prefer a differnt genre :/  If I were, I'd fully expect to be laughed at by the devs and their followers.

Modifié par ejoslin, 20 avril 2011 - 06:30 .

[lord micha]

No

[Marionetten]

I barely finished it. I don't foresee myself doing more than that unless the DLC comes out as being utterly sublime. In that case I'll wait for a bundle.

[Kendaric Varkellen]

I couldn't even be bothered to finish it and most likely never will (unless we receive a toolset update and can make drastic changes).

As for buying DLC or an expansion... definitely not.
DA3? Maybe, though unlikely at this point considering the recent interviews.

[wildannie]

Not until I get feedback on them.

If they make an expansion that restores the DAO conversation system (talk to companions when you want) and keeps the DA2 companions, yes I'll probably buy that.

Awakening made me very wary of expansions, it didn't work for me at all from a roleplay perspective.

[IRMcGhee]

Might well do, depends what it is. More story probably, more gear unlikely.

[MrProliferation]

ejoslin wrote...

Sareth Cousland wrote...

ejoslin wrote...

The problem is, the current leadership team seems to think DAO is broken.

Maybe they'll reconsider after the changes to the franchise were not too well received.

Or they'll streamline further, to appeal to a different audience rather than the one they already had.

Gah, I hope not.  But the devs have referred to DAO as a niche product, and they want to move out of being one I suppose.  Though that's weird.  Shooters also could be called a niche market.  I'm not asking that they be changed because I prefer a differnt genre :/  If I were, I'd fully expect to be laughed at by the devs and their followers.

I really doubt they will streamline further. ME3 looks like it's going in the opposite direction, with making more complicated skills, more skill evolution options, and more tricking out of the weapons with weapon mods. If they're going and make ME3 more complex, I think it's likely they'll do the same with DA3, maybe even DA2 DLC. Some of the stuff with Awakenings was an attempt at that, with the additional Specializations and New Skills, even if that was a flawed piece of work and still buggy.

That's the infuriating thing about Bioware and, also I'll say Obsidian. Both companies have great ideas, but the execution is often lacking. I think DA2 had some great ideas, with faster combat (which went from being faster to a little ridiculous) and a city shaped by your characters choices (which actually is more shaped by the choices OTHER people make that you end up dealing with). If they had pulled off those concepts better, then it would've been good.

I think even the conversation wheel worked in some instances. That you could use "investigate" and it would propel you into completely new dialogues and interactions with your companions was great. Too bad it's only done a handful of times in the game.

[Dracotamer]

Not spending another dime on it.

[appleyum]

Fix the bug first then ask for more money.

[fchopin]

We have already answered this so why do we get the same question again in another thread?

No more money for this game unless the plot is fixed.  Edit...for free.

Modifié par fchopin, 20 avril 2011 - 08:15 .

[Xeranx]

I watched a "Let's Play" for Lair of the Shadow Broker before I mulled over it for a while and then bought it. Not directly related to DA, but I think it fits.

[erynnar]

T-0pel wrote...

suprhomre wrote...

T-0pel wrote...

If the DLC's recycle the same areas AGAIN, I certainly wont buy any of them... If it will be brand new area, I will consider buying it.
As for DA3 I will wait and see what they plan to do with the series and how much time do they want to spend on developing it. If I like what I see, I will definately buy it, I still really love the world and lore.

I wish I could share the same enthusiasm as you do. But, for me it's so much done. The elve's art styel were one of my favourite in DO same goes with the Darkspawn. In DA2 they look just awful and not much authentic almost like a cartoon style. The Elves just looks like a morph of nosferatu+avatar+ratman. 

The whole game is presented in a more cartoonish style... That is one of the things I hope they might change back to the DAO style. I still remember the feeling of dark-fantasy world with death and injustice everywhere when I started playing DAO. I had nothing like that with DA2. It was there, but covered with this cartoonish style and I think because of this it lacked the depth (or soul, however you want to call it) for me.

This^ for multiple reasons. And yes, the cartoony Anime style can go (I like my anime in my anime, not DA, especially the oversized swords).

[McAdams]

I still believe Bioware can be great ... again. Let me (and let us) see evidence of that.

sighs

I will likely buy the DA2 Ultimate edition when that comes out, honestly in hopes that Bioware will take my money and make a better product. I think I have to accept DA2 has in more than a few ways failed to live up to expectations, but they can make amends in another squeal.

Experimentation can be good I agree, but not too much at one go. Too much changes will lead to many missteps. And well fans can be fickle ... Is that good business sense?