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[ejoslin]

shantisands wrote...

bleetman wrote...

But then, I'm still in the 'I'd rather have more conversations and a mute main character than fully voiced, with less interaction' camp. It feels a bit 'if wishes were fishes' at times.

I really (surprisingly) enjoyed the voiced protagonist aspect of this game, but if I had to choose??? I would choose mute + more over speech + less in a heartbeat.  I hear ya.  

Oh yes, me too.  I was surprised that I liked the voiced protagonist, but I also think it's too much of a tradeoff.

[Cutlass Jack]

PurebredCorn wrote...

Maria Caliban wrote...


In DA II, when I'm facing the Arishok and Isabela burst through the door with the Tome of Kuslin, it feels all sorts of romantic and important. I find it strange that the first time I get an 'Oh! My knight in shinning armor!' moment in fiction is with... Isabela.

I don't think that moment could be any more perfect.

Well it got more perfect for me when I tilted my head, looked at the Arishok and said 'Lets Dance."

The whole scene just managed to push my buttons perfectly.

Deztyn wrote...

I found it funny when I noticed that taking heart options with Anders ended conversations and actually resulted in learning less about him.

Thats why I find it funny when people complain that all you do to romance in DA2 is click on the heart icon whenever it comes up. Sometimes the best romantic dialogue comes from showing a little restraint. Playing Romantic Whack A Mole with the heart icon just gets you the shallowest version.

Good example: When Isabela shows up at your house for the Romantic Scene, if you take the heart icon when it first pops up you skip over the far more entertaining and playful duel dialogues that fit a swashbuckling romance with her so much better.

Modifié par Cutlass Jack, 21 avril 2011 - 03:16 .

[Sabariel]

I didn't feel attached enough to any of my DA2 companions to attempt a romance the first time I played (compared to me jumping on Alistair and Leliana almost immediately in DAO). In my second play through I attempted a Fenris romance and... eh... just didn't do it for me. Not even the "hawt" Rival Kiss did it for me. I think the lessened interaction with my companions did the romances in.

Modifié par Sabariel, 21 avril 2011 - 05:42 .

[Addai]

It's funny, I had never played a Bioware game before Origins so when I first came across Alistair at Ostagar I thought "who are youuu?" And when the rose popped up, I was flabbergasted. Had no idea such a story line existed in video games. The article seemed to echo this sense of uniqueness even if she was a much more experienced gamer. If that's how you experienced it, there is probably no way a sequel could rise to the level.

Modifié par Addai67, 21 avril 2011 - 05:46 .

[Deztyn]

Well, I loved Carth, Kaidan, Thane and Garrus before I loved Alistair and I still think the romances in DA2 weren't as good. I don't think it's just in comparison to Origins. The ME2 romances didn't have that much development. The characters have much less dialogue overall, but proportionally more of it was one on one interaction with the player character so it feels more significant.

In DA2 most of your companions dialogue is eaten up by their input during quests and their banters--it feels like they know each other and spend more time together than they ever do with Hawke. That's an issue even before you add romance to the mix and when there's already that disconnect, it's harder to get involved with the characters love stories.

[Viyu]

Varric needs a violin for every time Anders gets emo and romantic in DA2

[Knightly_BW]

Even I love Zevran too much I have to admit Alistair's romance was the best one in DA:O. With Alistair you feel an acomplisment. You feel special. Too bad not everyone infected with Bi-germ on those days.

I hate Anders since the Awakenings so don't know about his romance. I started a blood mage pro-mage lady Hawke but he was soooo annoying that she ended up with Isabela.

Even with limited dialogue options I think Isabela has best romance in DA 2 followed closely by Fenris (Mr. Gaider again. This guy knows how to make people giddy inside),

So in my opinion it all ends up with writers ability. I am saying this because other than Alistair and Fenris, my most memorable moments from DA:O were Morrigan's friendship dialogues. That talk really changes how you see Morrigan. Also big thanks to Mr. Gaider for Flemeth cameo in DA 2 and her remarks about Morrigan. Everything about Morrigan's personality really build on solid ground.

[BlueMew]

So Isabela is this game Alistair... I get it. And agree.

Mm, not me though
I like Isabela, but romancing her? That just makes me scared.
...yes, I'm a bit of a female Alistair in that regard.

[Dellingr]

RinjiRenee wrote...

hoorayforicecream wrote...

Nostalgia goggles are pretty hard to ignore.

Pretty much

jds1bio wrote...

RinjiRenee wrote...

God forbid every eligible male in Thedas doesn't behave like Alistair... *sigh.*

Well, at least she admitted ultimately that the Alistair in her mind was better than the Alistar in DA:O.

I just really don't agree with her overall.  I thought the love interests in DA2 were fine, despite having a little less interaction.  I miss Alistair, but not because the LIs in DA2 were poor or anything.

Agreed, I liked romancing Leliana in origins more than romancing Merrill in DA2, but that's because I like Leliana better as a character, not because it was badly implemented in DA2, though more interaction wouldn't have gone amiss

[Plaintiff]

Honestly, if I ever found myself that invested in a videogame romance, I'd seek professional help.

[Serelir]

Plaintiff wrote...

Honestly, if I ever found myself that invested in a videogame romance, I'd seek professional help.

Chatting with other similarly-obsessed people is more fun, better, and cheaper than professional help.

[Ansatsusha]

While I would also like more character interactions with DA2 characters, I didn't think the romance was bad. I'm not playing RPG games for the romance, after all, it's just a nice bonus. I usually view my characters in 3rd person POV, so I don't get too worked up about the romance. I like the DAO and DA2 romances equally and I'm not too critical about it. Well, I wasn't really crazy about the Alistair romance anyway...it was too mushy for my liking, I felt trapped in that romance but I felt bad breaking that poor puppy's heart, so the post-landsmeet breakup was more of a relief for my elf mage warden (Admittedly I was spoiled already about him not being able to marry non-human nobles, but I didn't know there was a break up). I also didn't really enjoy the Anders romance either, for the same reason (I only continued it because Fenris ran off and I was on my first playthrough). Constant declarations of love are just not my thing.

Worse, Anders had that creep factor in Act III, and I finally understood why when he blew up the Chantry. Man, what an emotional impact it had on me, especially since my Hawke was romancing Anders--even with all his warnings (and Varric's warning) and whining, despite all the doom and pessimism, I didn't see that coming. Had my male Hawke break up with him at the gallows (initially dismissed him but then I remembered he was my healer), and never romanced him after that because I grew to dislike act III Janders, but still. I think that DA2's romances had enough emotional impact through the story to make up for the lack of interaction. What the characters do happen anyway, but imho players will react strongly to what the characters they're romancing do (esp what Isabela and Anders do in Act II and III respectively). It's always that first play through that's magical, after all.

However, I'll admit, I also don't really like how romances are automatically canceled if you sleep with someone else--on my second play through, I thought it would be funny for my mage lady Hawke to have a fling with Isabela, but that ended up canceling out my Fenris romance. Worse, Aveline still acknowledged my Fenris romance even after the fling, so I didn't know it ended 4realz. I remember replaying Act II three times just for the Fenris romance to continue in Act III. But, imho the kiss at the gallows was worth it all =D I guess I'm satisfied as long as the characters are together and stay together in the end. Shame Fenris wouldn't move into Hawke mansion though...Oh yeah, I guess I also take issue with the logic of timeline in DA2. Seriously, it took Fenris 3 years to man up about his feelings? But I still love that guy.

Modifié par Ansatsusha, 21 avril 2011 - 04:09 .

[Ryzaki]

Bi-germ?

...really?

[Maria Caliban]

I prefer bi-tastic.

[The Angry One]

Ryzaki wrote...

Bi-germ?

...really?

Yes and we're infecting everyone.
In fact if you're reading this it's already too late. <_<

Modifié par The Angry One, 21 avril 2011 - 06:46 .

[Cutlass Jack]

The Angry One wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

Bi-germ?

...really?

Yes and we're infecting everyone.
In fact if you're reading this it's already too late. <_<

I don't bi that at all. er, um...drat.

[Rifneno]

PurebredCorn wrote...

I was referring to the article and how it's author was suggesting there was no Alistair or special LI for her in this game. I then went on to say that not every game is going to have that kind of romance for every single person. When I was referring to Isabela,  I meant Isabela was Maria's special romance in DA2 like Alistair was many people's special romance in Origins,that awesome combination of a great character and circumstance.

Hrm.  How depressing.  This makes me realize there's not a single female romance option in either series (or BG2 for that matter) that I liked.  <insert "abandoned the straight male demographic" rant here>

The Angry One wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

Bi-germ?

...really?

Yes and we're infecting everyone.
In fact if you're reading this it's already too late. <_<

Fail for not referencing infection by "injection."  You disappoint me.  

More on topic, kind of amusing that the initial article is basically a complaint about Anders breaking up when he didn't actually break up.  He was just doing the obligatory foreshadowing because he just built his jihad machine.  He's still happy to ride off into the sunset with (or on, as the case may be) FemHawke.  He just doesn't think she'll let him stay with her.  Or live.

[Nyreen]

[22nd MadJack]

I don't think Anders can ever compare to God's most unwitting gift to women.

[JJDrakken]

I felt all the romances/relationships where short and/or stifled.  I liked Isabella's to a degree, It showed who she was on the inside & letting that out, but never really went beyond the initial part.  

Merril's Friend & Rival romances where probably in my opinion some best, but then just stopped & felt like ok where together, lets do nothing now, if you don't mind hawke Im going go stand over here & do nothing now.

I felt Anders was more rushed & scatter brained, while Fenris just seemed contrived & forced.

Just my thoughts.

[Nyreen]

22nd MadJack wrote...

I don't think Anders can ever compare to God's most unwitting gift to women.

You're either a fangirl in disguise, or a very clever man.