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[orbit991]

Damn that's low, but not surprised.

[Any0day]

FellowerOfOdin wrote...

I gently wave my hand in joy at all the people who preordered the game and bought it for 60$.

Ha. Ha. Ha.

Yeah, those of us who are loyal to Bioware and loved everything they put out up until now must be pretty stupid...

Get off your high pedestal before you slip off laughing and faceplant.

[FellowerOfOdin]

Any0day wrote...


Yeah, those of us who are loyal to Bioware and loved everything they put out up until now must be pretty stupid...

Buying a pig in a poke is not "loyal", but stupid. Anyone who bought the game before renting it and now cries about the game being utterly mediocre has no right to complain, it's his own fault.

[Seph696]

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[Any0day]

FellowerOfOdin wrote...



Buying a pig in a poke is not "loyal", but stupid. Anyone who bought the game before renting it and now cries about the game being utterly mediocre has no right to complain, it's his own fault.

So, if I buy antifreeze at a gas station and they give me colored water - I shouldn't complain when I find out?
If I go to a 5 star hotel and buy a room before seeing it and it turns out I just bought a rinka-dink room - I shouldn't complain?

What's stupid - is your argument. When anyone buys a product they buy it with certain minimum expectations. DA2 didn't reach those expectations - so I'm complaining.

Although I understand the argument somewhat if the seller is geniune and it's only a matter of artist taste, but that's really not the case here. ''Complaining'' is one of the most valuable assets for a business (or industries to be more accurate) by the way; just stating that for the uninformed (oh yeah... you.) . It allows the business to understand what's working and what isn't - it allows for evolution of an industry as a whole.

[Aaleel]

FellowerOfOdin wrote...

Any0day wrote...


Yeah, those of us who are loyal to Bioware and loved everything they put out up until now must be pretty stupid...

Buying a pig in a poke is not "loyal", but stupid. Anyone who bought the game before renting it and now cries about the game being utterly mediocre has no right to complain, it's his own fault.

I was unaware that you can rent games for a PC.

[Wholetyouinhere]

Rockpopple wrote...

No it's not! Let's cut the crap, okay? Please? They're job isn't to advise people at all. Their job is to sell games. Yes they can advise people and they often do, but if it's a game that's just on the fence or has a mixed reception, they're gonna try to sell that game if asked. Yeah, I know, it's ugly, it's dirty, it means pushing bad games on good people, but that's what they're paid for. They're not consultants, they're salesmen. I've worked in sales, I know what the mandate is: sell, sell, and for God's sake, sell. And of course they can do this without endorsing every title - bounds of reason.

*pant*

Moving on. Even if they were consultants, saying that DA II isn't worth a purchase isn't honest. Saying, "Well it's gotten mixed reviews" and "It's different from DA:O, but it's gotten on average decent scores" "It's not for me," etc, that's honest. Saying "It sucks don't buy it!" isn't honest.

Not that it matters, because honesty isn't in the job description.

Why is Bobby Kotick posting on an EA forum?

[AlexXIV]

Well on steam and at amazone it has not dropped yet. It may be a special case of ... whatever ...

I mean it could be a mistake or hoax.

[FellowerOfOdin]

Any0day wrote...
So, if I buy antifreeze at a gas station and they give me colored water - I shouldn't complain when I find out?
If I go to a 5 star hotel and buy a room before seeing it and it turns out I just bought a rinka-dink room - I shouldn't complain?

Did Bioware ever say that DA:RtP will be DA:Origins 2? No, they certainly didn't. In the contrary, they gave a lot of information on the successor and the heavy changes it would go through...and has gone through. If you STILL decided to preorder game and seem to be surprised that it is only mediocre...you're the one to blame. Bioware NEVER lied to the community. They always said that DA:RtP would be a different game and you even had a demo plus a pretty bland "You get free stuff when you preorder!" offer that should make one suspicous. Still surprised? Shame on you.

What's stupid - is your argument. When anyone buys a product they buy it with certain minimum expectations. DA2 didn't reach those expectations - so I'm complaining.

Anyone is free to complain about the game as its quality is VERY lacking to say the least, but people should not go out and cry about being cheated and not having bought the game they were promised...that's just irrational.

Learn your lesson and before buying a game the next time, rent it. From a friend, from a local video store...plenty of opportunities. I played the entire game with a friend's account as we work in different shifts and boy am I glad not having spent any dollar on that "game".

[Any0day]

FellowerOfOdin wrote...


Did Bioware ever say that DA:RtP will be DA:Origins 2? ... If you STILL decided to preorder game and seem to be surprised that it is only mediocre...you're the one to blame. Bioware NEVER lied to the community. ...Still surprised? Shame on you.

Anyone is free to complain about the game as its quality is VERY lacking to say the least, but people should not go out and cry about being cheated and not having bought the game they were promised...that's just irrational.

You're pretty delusional; a triple A company just released a mediocre title. They "lied" by association. I don't expect a 5 star hotel to have brown shower water or a michelin star chef to serve me dog food. To call me irrational for complaining when that's what I'm getting is just illogically insane.

You want to know how pissed off I was about this game? I was so pissed off for being crapped on I spent 15 hours making a short youtube video just to make myself laugh it off. Maybe in the end you're right; maybe I shouldn't have bought the game until at the very least I saw a review of it that I trusted. I will say this: Bioware is off my preorder list, and I'll tell you it's a very short list these days. 

Learn your lesson and before buying a game the next time, rent it. From a friend, from a local video store...plenty of opportunities. I played the entire game with a friend's account as we work in different shifts and boy am I glad not having spent any dollar on that "game".

So you're recommending I torrent all my games for free before buying next time? I'm not a console gamer so I don't rent games. Yeah - go ahead and blame me for that too.

Modifié par Any0day, 20 avril 2011 - 09:57 .

[FellowerOfOdin]

Any0day wrote...
You're pretty delusional; a tripple A company just released a mediocre title. They "lied" by association. I don't expect a 5 star hotel to have brown shower water or a michelin star chef to serve me dog food. To call me irrational for complaining when that's what I'm getting is just illogically insane.

You expected a AAA to come out after such a short development time and all the...changes it went through? Start thinking rationally.

So you're recommending I torrent all my games for free before buying next time? I'm not a console gamer so I don't rent games. Yeah - go ahead and blame me for that too.

I don't know in what developing country you might live, but our video stores offer rentals for video games as a whole and that includes PC games. It's 1,50€ for 2 days with a game or 0€ if you ask a friend. Are 1,50€ / 2$ too much for an investment to check a game's quality? If yes...shame on you.

[neppakyo]

FellowerOfOdin wrote...

I don't know in what developing country you might live, but our video stores offer rentals for video games as a whole and that includes PC games. It's 1,50€ for 2 days with a game or 0€ if you ask a friend. Are 1,50€ / 2$ too much for an investment to check a game's quality? If yes...shame on you.

Well, here in Ontario, Canada no video stores offer PC game rentals. I'm pretty sure thats against the TOS and company's discourage that.

[MorrigansLove]

Being sold for $5.00 near where I live. Sad, really. I didn't think the death of the DA franchise would come so soon.

So be it, though.

[Any0day]

FellowerOfOdin wrote...

Any0day wrote...
You're pretty delusional; a tripple A company just released a mediocre title. They "lied" by association. I don't expect a 5 star hotel to have brown shower water or a michelin star chef to serve me dog food. To call me irrational for complaining when that's what I'm getting is just illogically insane.

You expected a AAA to come out after such a short development time and all the...changes it went through? Start thinking rationally.

Start thinking rationally; Are you even listening to (reading) yourself? If a AAA company says "I'm  going to release an awesome game." and I've loved every single title they put out because at the very least I saw they gave the game the dedication it deserves, and I trusted them to do the same again  --- if that's irrational that has to be the strangest example I've ever seen.

If you're not being serious, you're just trolling me... and if you are, I'm sorry - you're an idiot.

Modifié par Any0day, 20 avril 2011 - 10:06 .

[FellowerOfOdin]

neppakyo wrote...

FellowerOfOdin wrote...

I don't know in what developing country you might live, but our video stores offer rentals for video games as a whole and that includes PC games. It's 1,50€ for 2 days with a game or 0€ if you ask a friend. Are 1,50€ / 2$ too much for an investment to check a game's quality? If yes...shame on you.

Well, here in Ontario, Canada no video stores offer PC game rentals. I'm pretty sure thats against the TOS and company's discourage that.

My apologies then, good sir, I was not aware of stores not renting pc games in Canada. And seriously, the companies cannot do anything against it, just as they cannot tell any store to stop selling used games (which is awesome for consoles btw).

[xkg]

FellowerOfOdin wrote...
I don't know in what developing country you might live, but our video stores offer rentals for video games as a whole and that includes PC games. It's 1,50€ for 2 days with a game or 0€ if you ask a friend. Are 1,50€ / 2$ too much for an investment to check a game's quality? If yes...shame on you.

No PC games rentals here where i live.

And btw - "renting" game from a friend - even if just to try it - is illegal.

[FellowerOfOdin]

Any0day wrote...


Start thinking rationally; Are you even listening to (reading) yourself? If a AAA company says "I'm going to release an awesome game." and I've loved every single title they put out because at the very least I saw they gave the game the dedication it deserves, and I trusted them to do the same again --- if that's irrational that has to be the strangest example I've ever seen.

If you're not being serious, you're just trolling me... and if you are, I'm sorry - you're an idiot.

In short, you fell for a marketing strategy while I didn't. Who's the idiot again?

xkg wrote...

FellowerOfOdin wrote...
I don't
know in what developing country you might live, but our video stores
offer rentals for video games as a whole and that includes PC games.
It's 1,50€ for 2 days with a game or 0€ if you ask a friend. Are 1,50€
/ 2$ too much for an investment to check a game's quality? If
yes...shame on you.

No PC games rentals here where i live.

And btw - "renting" game from a friend - even if just to try it - is illegal.

It's the same account, I don't see any problem.

Modifié par FellowerOfOdin, 20 avril 2011 - 10:11 .

[GammaRayJim]

I think if you purchase something and you are unhappy with it you certainly have the right to complain. If no one ever complained then nothing would ever change or improve. Most business want satisfied customers. Now we all know that they will never satisfy everyone but that does not mean you should not voice your opinion.
And although Bioware did clearly state that their were changes going to be made, they did not list all of them. Such as the extensive reuse of areas, the loss of companion armor management, and the loss of the overhead camera to name a few. It also does not excuse a company from putting out a story with so many wholes in it especially when you play as a mage and then tell you that you should just ignore it.
I don't care that I shelled out 60 bucks for a so so game I can afford it, but I won't do it again...they changed to much when I buy a RPG I want a RPG not an action game.

[Otterwarden]

MorrigansLove wrote...

Being sold for $5.00 near where I live. Sad, really. I didn't think the death of the DA franchise would come so soon.

So be it, though.

The Amazon pricing in the UK has been a real rollercoaster ride:

PC

uk.camelcamelcamel.com/Dragon-Age-2-PC-DVD/product/B003VM8HFE

PS3

uk.camelcamelcamel.com/Dragon-Age-2-PS3-Playstation-3/product/B003VM8HG8

XBOX 360

uk.camelcamelcamel.com/Dragon-Age-2-Xbox-360/product/B003VM8HHM

Seems to have been more stable in the US

PC
camelcamelcamel.com/Dragon-Age-2-Pc/product/B0047THYWC

PS3
camelcamelcamel.com/Dragon-Age-2-Playstation-3/product/B0047TLIBU

XBOX 360
camelcamelcamel.com/Dragon-Age-2-Xbox-360/product/B0047TG2R0

[MorrigansLove]

Otterwarden wrote...

MorrigansLove wrote...

Being sold for $5.00 near where I live. Sad, really. I didn't think the death of the DA franchise would come so soon.

So be it, though.

The Amazon pricing in the UK has been a real rollercoaster ride:

PC

uk.camelcamelcamel.com/Dragon-Age-2-PC-DVD/product/B003VM8HFE

PS3

uk.camelcamelcamel.com/Dragon-Age-2-PS3-Playstation-3/product/B003VM8HG8

XBOX 360

uk.camelcamelcamel.com/Dragon-Age-2-Xbox-360/product/B003VM8HHM

Seems to have been more stable in the US

PC
camelcamelcamel.com/Dragon-Age-2-Pc/product/B0047THYWC

PS3
camelcamelcamel.com/Dragon-Age-2-Playstation-3/product/B0047TLIBU

XBOX 360
camelcamelcamel.com/Dragon-Age-2-Xbox-360/product/B0047TG2R0

Ah, so it's selling bad in Britain aswell? What a fiasco DA2 ultimately was.

[xkg]

FellowerOfOdin wrote...

Any0day wrote...


Start thinking rationally; Are you even listening to (reading) yourself? If a AAA company says "I'm going to release an awesome game." and I've loved every single title they put out because at the very least I saw they gave the game the dedication it deserves, and I trusted them to do the same again --- if that's irrational that has to be the strangest example I've ever seen.

If you're not being serious, you're just trolling me... and if you are, I'm sorry - you're an idiot.

In short, you fell for a marketing strategy while I didn't. Who's the idiot again?

xkg wrote...

FellowerOfOdin wrote...
I don't
know in what developing country you might live, but our video stores
offer rentals for video games as a whole and that includes PC games.
It's 1,50€ for 2 days with a game or 0€ if you ask a friend. Are 1,50€
/ 2$ too much for an investment to check a game's quality? If
yes...shame on you.

No PC games rentals here where i live.

And btw - "renting" game from a friend - even if just to try it - is illegal.

It's the same account, I don't see any problem.

So if i go and buy 1 game - then share my account with half of my neighbourhood - is it going to be ok ?

wow wierd. never knew that

Modifié par xkg, 20 avril 2011 - 10:16 .

[neppakyo]

@Otterwarden;

Ouch. Thats pretty rough for a game out for only a month.

[AkiKishi]

FellowerOfOdin wrote...

My apologies then, good sir, I was not aware of stores not renting pc games in Canada. And seriously, the companies cannot do anything against it, just as they cannot tell any store to stop selling used games (which is awesome for consoles btw).

If you read the manual it will probably say something like.

"You are forbidden to copy,rent,sell or alter this game in any way".

[FellowerOfOdin]

BobSmith101 wrote...

FellowerOfOdin wrote...

My apologies then, good sir, I was not aware of stores not renting pc games in Canada. And seriously, the companies cannot do anything against it, just as they cannot tell any store to stop selling used games (which is awesome for consoles btw).

If you read the manual it will probably say something like.

"You are forbidden to copy,rent,sell or alter this game in any way".

You can rent games at our local video stores and even in our libaries (!). Guess some text printed in a manual isn't something people give a damn about.

Official governmental institutions renting pc games...so much for the manual.

Modifié par FellowerOfOdin, 20 avril 2011 - 10:29 .

[xkg]

FellowerOfOdin wrote...

BobSmith101 wrote...

FellowerOfOdin wrote...

My apologies then, good sir, I was not aware of stores not renting pc games in Canada. And seriously, the companies cannot do anything against it, just as they cannot tell any store to stop selling used games (which is awesome for consoles btw).

If you read the manual it will probably say something like.

"You are forbidden to copy,rent,sell or alter this game in any way".

You can rent games at our local video stores and even in our libaries (!). Guess some text printed in a manual isn't something people give a damn about.

Official governmental institutions renting pc games...so much for the manual.

Ok - from DA2's EULA:
"
3. Prohibited Uses. The following uses of the Software are prohibited. If you wish to use the Software in a manner prohibited below, please contact the Company via email at info@transgaming.com for information regarding a "Special Use License." Otherwise, you may NOT :
(a) Make or distribute copies of the Software or documentation, or any portion thereof, except as expressly provided in this Agreement.
( Use any backup or archival copy of the Software (or allow someone else to use such copy) for any purpose other than to replace the original copy in the event it is destroyed or becomes defective;
© Alter, decompile, modify reverse engineer or disassemble the Software, create derivative works based upon the Software, or make any attempt to bypass, unlock or disable any protective or initialization system on the Software;
(d) Rent, lease, sub-license, time-share, or transfer the Software or documentation, or your rights under this Agreement.
(e) Remove or obscure any copyright or trademark notice(s) on the Software or documentation;
(f) Upload or transmit the Software, or any portion thereof, to any electronic bulletin board, network, or other type of multi-use computer system regardless of purpose;
(g) Include the Software in any commercial products intended for manufacture, distribution, or sale; or
(h) Include the Software in any product containing immoral, scandalous, controversial, derogatory, obscene, or offensive works.
"

All about renting game - from your frined or from library/store.

Modifié par xkg, 20 avril 2011 - 10:44 .