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[neppakyo]

Which means if they find out, they'll ban that copy and your account.

[randName]

xkg wrote...

FellowerOfOdin wrote...

BobSmith101 wrote...

FellowerOfOdin wrote...

My apologies then, good sir, I was not aware of stores not renting pc games in Canada. And seriously, the companies cannot do anything against it, just as they cannot tell any store to stop selling used games (which is awesome for consoles btw).

If you read the manual it will probably say something like.

"You are forbidden to copy,rent,sell or alter this game in any way".

You can rent games at our local video stores and even in our libaries (!). Guess some text printed in a manual isn't something people give a damn about.

Official governmental institutions renting pc games...so much for the manual.

Ok - from DA2's EULA:
"
3. Prohibited Uses. The following uses of the Software are prohibited. If you wish to use the Software in a manner prohibited below, please contact the Company via email at info@transgaming.com for information regarding a "Special Use License." Otherwise, you may NOT :
(a) Make or distribute copies of the Software or documentation, or any portion thereof, except as expressly provided in this Agreement.
( Use any backup or archival copy of the Software (or allow someone else to use such copy) for any purpose other than to replace the original copy in the event it is destroyed or becomes defective;
© Alter, decompile, modify reverse engineer or disassemble the Software, create derivative works based upon the Software, or make any attempt to bypass, unlock or disable any protective or initialization system on the Software;
(d) Rent, lease, sub-license, time-share, or transfer the Software or documentation, or your rights under this Agreement.
(e) Remove or obscure any copyright or trademark notice(s) on the Software or documentation;
(f) Upload or transmit the Software, or any portion thereof, to any electronic bulletin board, network, or other type of multi-use computer system regardless of purpose;
(g) Include the Software in any commercial products intended for manufacture, distribution, or sale; or
(h) Include the Software in any product containing immoral, scandalous, controversial, derogatory, obscene, or offensive works.
"

All about renting game - from your frined or from library/store.

EULAs can't override local country laws, they have to work within them - and if the EULA says something that isn't according to the law the chances that the company that tries to enforce the EULA will win in court is minimal, but then the chances that someone that loans a game from a local library will take the company to court for say banning the user from the game is probably smaller, so even when the EULA breaks the local law it's effective.

But anyway contracts need to work within the laws of the land.

So if Sweden (where I am) decided that it's ok for libraries to loan out these games, the EULA won't really mean anything unless EA can make the courts in Sweden decide that it's within the current law to forbid it, but that only works if the current law supports the EULA.

& if not they either need to boycot Sweden, ignore it, or lobby for a change of said theoretical law.

That said we can sign away a great deal through contracts.

Modifié par randName, 20 avril 2011 - 11:08 .

[ChickenDownUnder]

Now why can't this game cost 10$ in my area. That's cheaper than my 1 month rental.

[RealityEngine]

 €12 seems reasonable for this game based on the supposed amount of content in it (again, I've only played the demo and read reviews, so I wouldn't know). Thanks OP, I guess I'll order a copy.

Modifié par RealityEngine, 20 avril 2011 - 11:12 .

[Kandid001]

Any0day wrote...
Yeah, those of us who are loyal to Bioware and loved everything they put out up until now must be pretty stupid...

Get off your high pedestal before you slip off laughing and faceplant.

Do you really think it's "royal" to pay full price for a flawed product which doesn't reflect BioWare's talent at all?

[Killjoy Cutter]

1) EULA does not equal the law.
2) Large chunks of most EULAs are unenforceable in various countries, and are there to scare you.

[ROD525]

xkg wrote...

FellowerOfOdin wrote...

BobSmith101 wrote...

FellowerOfOdin wrote...

My apologies then, good sir, I was not aware of stores not renting pc games in Canada. And seriously, the companies cannot do anything against it, just as they cannot tell any store to stop selling used games (which is awesome for consoles btw).

If you read the manual it will probably say something like.

"You are forbidden to copy,rent,sell or alter this game in any way".

You can rent games at our local video stores and even in our libaries (!). Guess some text printed in a manual isn't something people give a damn about.

Official governmental institutions renting pc games...so much for the manual.

Ok - from DA2's EULA:
"
3. Prohibited Uses. The following uses of the Software are prohibited. If you wish to use the Software in a manner prohibited below, please contact the Company via email at info@transgaming.com for information regarding a "Special Use License." Otherwise, you may NOT :
(a) Make or distribute copies of the Software or documentation, or any portion thereof, except as expressly provided in this Agreement.
( Use any backup or archival copy of the Software (or allow someone else to use such copy) for any purpose other than to replace the original copy in the event it is destroyed or becomes defective;
© Alter, decompile, modify reverse engineer or disassemble the Software, create derivative works based upon the Software, or make any attempt to bypass, unlock or disable any protective or initialization system on the Software;
(d) Rent, lease, sub-license, time-share, or transfer the Software or documentation, or your rights under this Agreement.
(e) Remove or obscure any copyright or trademark notice(s) on the Software or documentation;
(f) Upload or transmit the Software, or any portion thereof, to any electronic bulletin board, network, or other type of multi-use computer system regardless of purpose;
(g) Include the Software in any commercial products intended for manufacture, distribution, or sale; or
(h) Include the Software in any product containing immoral, scandalous, controversial, derogatory, obscene, or offensive works.
"

All about renting game - from your frined or from library/store.

What are you the EA police? Who cares? I rent games from my local library all the time. The hell with corporations and their BS. rules.

[Kandid001]

As we all know BioWare implemented single use DLC in their games as a safety measure against renting, and despite the hilarious warnings in the EULA they happily accept this DLC's fee from second hand buyers or renters instead of going after people and suing them. Feel free to ignore the nonsense you read because it's inapplicable 90% of the time.

[xkg]

ROD525 wrote...
What are you the EA police? Who cares? I rent games from my local library all the time. The hell with corporations and their BS. rules.

Yep. EA police here. I have a nice badge so why not.

And 1 more question. Are those PC's games ?

Modifié par xkg, 21 avril 2011 - 12:52 .

[ROD525]

xkg wrote...

ROD525 wrote...
What are you the EA police? Who cares? I rent games from my local library all the time. The hell with corporations and their BS. rules.

Yep. EA police here. I have a nice badge so why not.

And 1 more question. Are those PC's games ?

I have a badge too,maybe we should join a club:police: But seriously I rent games for the 360 before buying to test the waters,my wife plays that Sims crap but also rents and thats for her pc.

[akayasha]

Woah... In such a short amount of time the price dropped. I don't think Origins had the price dropped this fast, but my observation is only valid in the US.

Modifié par akayasha, 21 avril 2011 - 01:00 .

[Shasow]

Is there a possible refund for DA2?

[Otterwarden]

akayasha wrote...

Woah... In such a short amount of time the price dropped. I don't think Origins had the price dropped this fast, but my observation is only valid in the US.

Couldn't find the simple Origins version on Camelcamelcamel for Amazon US, but it did have it for the UK

all 3 tracked:

uk.camelcamelcamel.com/Dragon-Age-Origins-PC-Windows-Vista/product/B002BWONIU

Edit:  You can adjust for just one under Price history, just toggle the ones you want eliminated from the graph.

Modifié par Otterwarden, 21 avril 2011 - 02:41 .

[neppakyo]

Dont forget to add in that DA2 cost $10 US more than DA:O at launch.

[erynnar]

neppakyo wrote...

Dont forget to add in that DA2 cost $10 US more than DA:O at launch.

And for hours less content and almost no replay value (for me) to boot.  And that is hours less content and play time with padding....

[marshalleck]

Wow. In this thread, Rockpopple is the biggest fanboy ever. Honestly, could you possibly come across as any more insecure about your purchase?

Modifié par marshalleck, 21 avril 2011 - 02:41 .

[skan5]

erynnar wrote...

neppakyo wrote...

Dont forget to add in that DA2 cost $10 US more than DA:O at launch.

And for hours less content and almost no replay value (for me) to boot.  And that is hours less content and play time with padding....

I walked everywhere (only ran in combat... because it's forced) and just hit shy 40 hrs. :/ I guess it all depends on how much time you spent paused... some folks claim to hit over 100 hours in a single playthrough.

And the price drop there is a bit severe. Prices in other places aren't that cheap. Even though I was disappointed in DA2, that price seems a little too low. I'd say DA2'd be worth 20$, which is, like, what, 14 euros?

[erynnar]

skan5 wrote...

erynnar wrote...

neppakyo wrote...

Dont forget to add in that DA2 cost $10 US more than DA:O at launch.

And for hours less content and almost no replay value (for me) to boot.  And that is hours less content and play time with padding....

I walked everywhere (only ran in combat... because it's forced) and just hit shy 40 hrs. :/ I guess it all depends on how much time you spent paused... some folks claim to hit over 100 hours in a single playthrough.

And the price drop there is a bit severe. Prices in other places aren't that cheap. Even though I was disappointed in DA2, that price seems a little too low. I'd say DA2'd be worth 20$, which is, like, what, 14 euros?

My husband ran everywhere, filled in the maps all the way in each act, did every quest, and still managed to come in under 25 hours. 

Me I haven't finished my first (well first's second try on Act 3) playthrough. And I can't seem to motivate myself to do so or start a mage. I have gone everywhere, finished every quest. But I forgot to save a screenshot to see how long it took me before I deleted half of Act 3 to replay due to a decision I didn't like and it's actions to do with the elves (no spoilers). So I don't know about myself.  Origins I got hundreds of hours before I gave it back to hubby and I suspect hundeds more with my Deluxe pack for my own account.

[Kilshrek]

In Australia the game is still full price, but then again any game is expensive in Australia.

[oldmansavage]

Rockpopple wrote...

Off-topic - If I saw any salesperson suggest to any person they not buy DA2, I'd talk to their manager and get them fired.

For 1) Their job is to sell games. To deliberately tell people not to buy a fine product, no matter what they might personally think about it, is not only ludicrous - it's the polar opposite of what they were hired to do.

For 2) The game may be disappointing to some, sure, but if people - especially people who haven't played Origins - want to buy a good RPG with lots of re-playability, they would want to recommend DA II, not warn people not to buy.

How frickin' annoying is that. I doubt that's true anyway. Honestly, all it takes is for one customer to go up to a Manager and say, "Hey, your salesperson told me not to buy this game because it's bad, is that true?" and that salesperson would be fired so fast their head would spin.

*Wow I was properly Ninja'd by Ohmygadnowai, but he's right on this too. 

On topic - It's still full price at all the stores where I live. *shrug* 10 bucks or euros or whatever is a good deal for consumers, but doesn't bode well for the product.

Seriously?  That salesperson is a saint. 

[MerinTB]

Rockpopple wrote...
Off-topic - If I saw any salesperson suggest to any person they not buy DA2, I'd talk to their manager and get them fired.

I'm curious - have you worked retail?

I have... both private and chain.  Books, movies, games...

Outside of whatever the corporate office is telling you to push (usually discount cards or club memberships and such things OR just upselling, not actual given products like a specific book or game) -

you are welcome to make suggestions to customers.  We were trained to do such at every such retail job I ever worked.

And, short of a very (thankfully) short stint at Gamestop (easily one of the worst jobs I've ever had) every retail job I had that sold entertainment media had us keep an "employee's pick shelf."

When I worked at EB Games way back when I saw my manager (all the time) and even once a district manager who was visiting advise customers away from certain games or peripherals.  Driver 3 was a big "NO, DON'T BUY IT" warning scenario if I recall correctly.

Heck, I sold a lot of copies of Freedom Force back in the day by pushing it hard after it had been out for quite sometime.

Yeah, you can't fire someone for making recommendations on products - unless your store has some weird policy on it and, unless Gamestop has had some major changes since the last time I talked to my old district manager, Gamestop doesn't have any such policy.  They usually don't have pick shelves by the regional (possibly company-wide) policy of where I live (shelf space at a premium as it's sold as advertising space), but Gamestop encourages its employees to be knowledgeable of the games they are selling and to make honest recommendations.

So, yeah, what's your retail experience?

Modifié par MerinTB, 21 avril 2011 - 03:06 .

[TaHol]

Oh my...and I remember buying DA:O half a year after release in sale, and it was still 30 €.

Off topic: I've been reading some reviews from respected reviewers in my country, and I'm suprised. They think DA2 is a brilliant game. Now I can't trust to their judgement anymore in anything, damn it. And game is selling very well here too. Maybe I'm only Finn with strong dislike to this...whatever

Modifié par TaHol, 21 avril 2011 - 04:52 .

[Altima Darkspells]

FellowerOfOdin wrote...


In short, you fell for a marketing strategy while I didn't. Who's the idiot again?

I believe I speak for everyone that you deride because they pre-ordered when I say that I'd rather be an idiot than a jackass.

[Romantiq]

Yeah dude, I am happy that you feel better about yourself by calling those who bought it idiots but that's totally not cool you dig? $10 more was like an insult added to injury. They usually do that to multiplayer games but I suppose ppl Gaider & Co are a lil in over their heads. Sry for using short & lame language but I just hate typing on iPhone.

[Boiny Bunny]

Omgadnowai wrote...

neppakyo wrote...

jnrhrt wrote...

Gamestop still has the price at 59.99USD (release price). I've seen a few retailers in the US drop it to 49 or 39, but they're few and far between.

It's not like Dante's Inferno (another EA title) that reached 19.99USD in a matter of months. It'll drop slowly.

heh, the people at my local gamestop advises people not to buy DA2.

They're retarded. I'd fire those minimum-wage idiots if I heard about such a thing going on in an honest business I'm trying to run. It's not as if they can't find reviews online before getting in store to buy the product.

You can hint the game isn't like DA:O, you can point out the flaws and the differences, but to outright tell the customer "Don't buy it, it sucks balls lololololol" ? Come on.

Hahaha...that made me laugh.  Irony much?  Do you even know what 'honest' means?

You'd probably make a very dodgy business owner.

Customers are well within their rights to expect an honest assessment of the product from sales staff (even though it certainly doesn't always happen).

If I encountered a game salesperson who told me that a game was not very good and I should probably not buy it (like DA2), I would gain an immense amount of respect for him/her and their store, and probably always shop there (provided their prices were comparable).

neppakyo said nothing about the staff acting like 12 year olds saying "uuhh...this game sux bro!  Get CoD 28 instead!".  Sounds like they're simply being honest about a title that consumers would have expected a lot better of and probably blindly purchased otherwise.

Modifié par Boiny Bunny, 21 avril 2011 - 06:39 .