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[FellowerOfOdin]

xkg wrote...



All about renting game - from your frined or from library/store.

Protip: the EULA is worth a sheet of toilet paper.

[Mrbananagrabber]

Rockpopple wrote...

No it's not! Let's cut the crap, okay? Please? They're job isn't to advise people at all. Their job is to sell games. Yes they can advise people and they often do, but if it's a game that's just on the fence or has a mixed reception, they're gonna try to sell that game if asked. Yeah, I know, it's ugly, it's dirty, it means pushing bad games on good people, but that's what they're paid for. They're not consultants, they're salesmen. I've worked in sales, I know what the mandate is: sell, sell, and for God's sake, sell. And of course they can do this without endorsing every title - bounds of reason.

Was a sales associate at EBgames for 5 years. We're supposed to advise people on games as well as sell em. Its in the freaking manual they make us read.

Your argument is invalid. We have a number of titles we had to shove down customers throats because we had deals with the companies, but the rest was fair game. We each had our areas of expertise as far as which type of games we knew more about and the company knows a happy customer will come back, so we were told not to sell them games we didnt think they'd like.

Working in sales doesnt mean squat pal, if you think all a salesman does is sit behind a counter and ring a barcode you must've been serving Whoppers for a living.

[xkg]

FellowerOfOdin wrote...

xkg wrote...



All about renting game - from your frined or from library/store.

Protip: the EULA is worth a sheet of toilet paper.

yep. that is a great argument to dismiss eula - you have realy conviced me now 

You still didnt answer my question about sharing game with my friends and how genuine it is ?
Should i share account with registered game to all my buddies so we all can play 1 copy of the game ?

[AkiKishi]

FellowerOfOdin wrote...

BobSmith101 wrote...

FellowerOfOdin wrote...

My apologies then, good sir, I was not aware of stores not renting pc games in Canada. And seriously, the companies cannot do anything against it, just as they cannot tell any store to stop selling used games (which is awesome for consoles btw).

If you read the manual it will probably say something like.

"You are forbidden to copy,rent,sell or alter this game in any way".

You can rent games at our local video stores and even in our libaries (!). Guess some text printed in a manual isn't something people give a damn about.

Official governmental institutions renting pc games...so much for the manual.

It's one of those laws that is not practical to enforce on an individual basis. I'm sure Blockbuster etc. pay money to be able to rent games though.

[KalDurenik]

This all reminds me when i went to a game store and asked for a good rpg a week ago or so and they *gasp* for once knew what they were talking about. I even asked what his opinion about Da2 was and he said "its average at best". Instead he showed me some good old rpg's and for the same price of DA2 i got 3 older rpg's that is alot more fun :>

[Ryllen Laerth Kriel]

Hey, maybe in a few months, they'll pay us to play DA 2 at this rate! Either that or E.T. for the Atari 2600 will have a new neighbor in the desert when Bioware sends an intern to bury the excess copies.

Modifié par Ryllen Laerth Kriel, 21 avril 2011 - 10:04 .

[EternalPink]

Just ordered it for £9.99 from amazon UK should be here saturday so i'll see if its as bad/good as everybody has been saying.

DA Origins is £12.99 on amazon at the moment and Dawn of War 2 : Retribution ( add on released just before DA2) is £25.00

While i'm not drawing conclusions based on prices till Saturday and i've played it does seem a bit odd

[Killjoy Cutter]

Rockpopple wrote...

I've worked in sales, I know what the mandate is: sell, sell, and for God's sake, sell.

It's a shame you worked for a sleezy company or manager, then.  My sympathies. 

Modifié par Killjoy Cutter, 21 avril 2011 - 12:45 .

[randName]

KalDurenik wrote...

This all reminds me when i went to a game store and asked for a good rpg a week ago or so and they *gasp* for once knew what they were talking about. I even asked what his opinion about Da2 was and he said "its average at best". Instead he showed me some good old rpg's and for the same price of DA2 i got 3 older rpg's that is alot more fun :>

If I worked at a gamestore I would still be peddling FO1-2, PST, BG2/TB, Arcanum, KOTOR2, Jade Empire, VtM:Bloodlines and Greyhawk, with additional notes to the unofficial patches for some of those games.

[Pious_Augustus]

Travie wrote...


Its probably due to word of mouth (that it isn't worth full price), and hugely dropping sales over the last few weeks.

The price will settle up after the major distributors get rid of their excess stock (they bought way more copies then they were able to sell, even with the 'get a free ME2 promotion). At least, thats how it usually works.

www.play.com/Games/PC/4-/18172105/Dragon-Age-2/Product.html

10 euros....
 

This site link must be banned since it insults the worst i mean the best staff ever and we must support our new team leas lord Laidlow who in interviews claims he cares not what we little people think and Darth Gaidor who has been announcing unpopular story additions since awakenings heh who needs to just talk to your friends you need to go to a special spot or find a special item and click on it

[Pious_Augustus]

neppakyo wrote...

jnrhrt wrote...

Gamestop still has the price at 59.99USD (release price). I've seen a few retailers in the US drop it to 49 or 39, but they're few and far between.

It's not like Dante's Inferno (another EA title) that reached 19.99USD in a matter of months. It'll drop slowly.

heh, the people at my local gamestop advises people not to buy DA2.

Gestapo ! We find find this place their lack of faith in our lord Gaidors work is disturbing......

[AkiKishi]

I just looked at Amzon and the price of TwoWorlds2 just went up from £32 this morning to £40. They are even packing DA2 with it (at £17.99).

[Tantum Dic Verbo]

Altima Darkspells wrote...

FellowerOfOdin wrote...


In short, you fell for a marketing strategy while I didn't. Who's the idiot again?

I believe I speak for everyone that you deride because they pre-ordered when I say that I'd rather be an idiot than a jackass.

They're not mutually exclusive, you know.

[bri193]

I am waiting for the response with any DA2 DLC.... Sales of this will be a much better indicator of DA2 success or failure than all the hype that inflated pre-order sales .
If I was an EA/BW marketing person, I would be very concerned about testing those waters...

[Pious_Augustus]

bri193 wrote...

I am waiting for the response with any DA2 DLC.... Sales of this will be a much better indicator of DA2 success or failure than all the hype that inflated pre-order sales .
If I was an EA/BW marketing person, I would be very concerned about testing those waters...

Problem is in the back of Bioware's offices they knew this was going to be a bad game. In the corperate world you have the typical Circle Jerk of agreement to bad ideas impressed by you on upper management. Even when they are wrong and you know it you keep pushing well giving that bull crap forced smile and 'team spirit.'

Dragon Age 2 has no Collectors Edition for a reason, numbers. They pretty much fooled people into preordering it and offering as much content as possible and hyping the game so we expect the same quality as Orgins or pretty much any Bioware game. 

You can see the Circle Jerk attuide in offering Mass Effect 2 free for those who buy Dragon Age acting like this game was a sucess when the only thing that was a sucess was the numbers for the first month the rest well just look at it.

This game is a disgace. Ever since Gaidor took more control in Awakenings and pressed his feelings on the forum you should grind to talk your companions and how it didn't make sense to just go up an talk to your paper members has had me on edge every since the leadership changed from Orgins to Laidlow and Gaidor.

Pretty much everything all the content promised for Orgins was pretty much canceled or sadly destroyed when they took the helm. Chris Presley announced it would be better for Dragon Age 2 to come out quicker if they focused on Dragon Age 2. Man....what a crock

Honestly I should still be playing DLC for Orgins right now with all the content promised but what do I have? A broke game were even the heads refuse to admit their vision sucks.

Though Fable 1 was a great game it was short and the entire direction of the game changed within a month before release and the paid reviewers of course didn't express outrage but we sure did and if we all remember Peter Molyneux had the balls to come out an apologize openly.

Bioware needs to do the same!

Modifié par Pious_Augustus, 21 avril 2011 - 08:49 .

[MakeSense]

 10 $ ?! 
This is not even a failure. This is outright humiliation.
Serves them right -  especially Laidlaw.

And still I won't be buying it.

[TheButterflyEffect]

Well, maybe if they give us a damn toolset so we can keep it alive...

[Mr.House]

Ryllen Laerth Kriel wrote...

Hey, maybe in a few months, they'll pay us to play DA 2 at this rate! Either that or E.T. for the Atari 2600 will have a new neighbor in the desert when Bioware sends an intern to bury the excess copies.

Did you just compare DA2 to E.T? What the hell are you smoking?

[Vilegrim]

Rockpopple wrote...

No it's not! Let's cut the crap, okay? Please? They're job isn't to advise people at all. Their job is to sell games. Yes they can advise people and they often do, but if it's a game that's just on the fence or has a mixed reception, they're gonna try to sell that game if asked. Yeah, I know, it's ugly, it's dirty, it means pushing bad games on good people, but that's what they're paid for. They're not consultants, they're salesmen. I've worked in sales, I know what the mandate is: sell, sell, and for God's sake, sell. And of course they can do this without endorsing every title - bounds of reason.

*pant*

. Saying "It sucks don't buy it!" isn't honest.

.

if they lie, people stop going there, and 'it sucks don't buy it' is about as honest a review as you can give.

[Mr.House]

Pious_Augustus wrote...
/angry rant

Who is Gaidor? Do you mean Gaider who was lead writer for DAO, wrote the two books, was one of the three that made the DA come to life and leads his awesome team and he also wants to go back to origin like stories. Is that the guy your talking about?

Modifié par Mr.House, 21 avril 2011 - 09:39 .

[FubarCFSnafu]

All I know is that I paid 60.00 for a game that was worth 30.00. I will not be buying anything else in regards to Dragon Age, they ruined it. They utilized the fan's goodwill and anticipation and gave us a half baked game. The only redeeming quality of this purchase was that I go Mass Effect 2 which I never played before and I am now enjoying immensely.

Hell, I even ME1 and all the ME2 DLCs. It just goes to show what a mess DA2 was as per all the criticisms found in the game threads.

[JoshPloof]

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

Rockpopple wrote...

I've worked in sales, I know what the mandate is: sell, sell, and for God's sake, sell.

It's a shame you worked for a sleezy company or manager, then.  My sympathies. 

Lol for real, what a horrible company they must have worked for. I work in sales and while they do want us to sell, they tell us to first and foremost make sure the customer is happy and not to oversell them things if they don't need them.

[FellowerOfOdin]

xkg wrote...You still didnt answer my question about sharing game with my friends and how genuine it is ?
Should i share account with registered game to all my buddies so we all can play 1 copy of the game ?

I don't know if you can play with the same account simultaneously, I guess that if someone else tried to login, the account would be blocked. Anyway, if you feel liek sharing the game with your friends...do it. It's your game, you bought it, you can decided what to do with it as long as you don't hand out copies to everyone.

At the same time, though, one should always encourage his friends to buy a game if it's a good game and thus support the developers - when a friend of mine asked if he could borrow my copy of BGII, I told him to buy the game and well, he did, he even got the Complete Edition.

Dragon Age: Rise to Power, however, certainly is not a game I'd recommend to a friend...in the contrary, I told them not to buy the game for all that's holy.

Modifié par FellowerOfOdin, 22 avril 2011 - 10:27 .

[YohkoOhno]

I have trouble trusting this, as I have not seen the price go down on Amazon.com, and I just did some searches on Google's shopping tool, which shows comparison prices. There's no major decrease in price for major retailers--WalMart, Best Buy, Target, Amazon, etc. Granted, this is in the US, but I have not seen any indicators that there's any quick discounting going on.

I have trouble with "sales are dropping" threads because the arguments are usually made by people who dislike the game and are looking for Schadenfreude, taking pleasure at other's misfortune, or are otherwise trying to say that the game they didn't like is a failure. Until I see a much more objective analysis (usually made by people who don't care either way of success of failure) I'll have to dismiss this as premature declarations.

[SirShreK]

Rockpopple wrote...

No it's not! Let's cut the crap, okay? Please? They're job isn't to advise people at all. Their job is to sell games. Yes they can advise people and they often do, but if it's a game that's just on the fence or has a mixed reception, they're gonna try to sell that game if asked. Yeah, I know, it's ugly, it's dirty, it means pushing bad games on good people, but that's what they're paid for. They're not consultants, they're salesmen. I've worked in sales, I know what the mandate is: sell, sell, and for God's sake, sell. And of course they can do this without endorsing every title - bounds of reason.

*pant*

Moving on. Even if they were consultants, saying that DA II isn't worth a purchase isn't honest. Saying, "Well it's gotten mixed reviews" and "It's different from DA:O, but it's gotten on average decent scores" "It's not for me," etc, that's honest. Saying "It sucks don't buy it!" isn't honest.

Not that it matters, because honesty isn't in the job description.

Consumer rights failure? Is this guy a replacement for Drog45?