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[JesterPsychotica]

Although I am an Anders fan, I was thinking about it- and it seemed a bit strange to me that a high ranking Templar officer like Meredith wouldn't first think of sending Anders to the Mages' Prison, Aeonar. Especially since it seems as though (from what little we've been told) that this place seems like worse of a punishment than death, and Anders is far to willing to be put to the sword, anyway.

I've always been particularly curious about the Aeonar anyway, since it was first mentioned.

[Rifneno]

I'm about 80% certain that Aeonar was nothing more an in-joke for the BG2 players, a reference to Spellhold. 

[Rexiselic]

Didn't that priest or sister or whatever get sent to Aeonar in the mage origins?

She was Jowan's love interest, wasn't she? Lily or something?

Ivring can be such a dick sometimes.

[JesterPsychotica]

Rexiselic wrote...

Didn't that priest or sister or whatever get sent to Aeonar in the mage origins?

She was Jowan's love interest, wasn't she? Lily or something?

Ivring can be such a dick sometimes.

Yeah she was sent there.

[Rifneno]

Rexiselic wrote...

Didn't that priest or sister or whatever get sent to Aeonar in the mage origins?

She was Jowan's love interest, wasn't she? Lily or something?

Ivring can be such a dick sometimes.

Hehe.  Yeah, Irving was pretty much just being a dick on that.  The sole purpose he lets Jowan keep going is because he wants to implicate Lily.  And yeah, she was sent to Aeonar.  That was actually the only mention of it ever, as far as I know.  Which is why I think it was nothing but a reference to BG2.  All hail Arl Foreshadow.

[hoorayforicecream]

Meredith probably would have sent Anders to the Aeonar (or tranquilized him, or killed him) if she hadn't been so pants-on-head bonkers and been more rational.

[JesterPsychotica]

Rifneno wrote...

Rexiselic wrote...

Didn't that priest or sister or whatever get sent to Aeonar in the mage origins?

She was Jowan's love interest, wasn't she? Lily or something?

Ivring can be such a dick sometimes.

Hehe.  Yeah, Irving was pretty much just being a dick on that.  The sole purpose he lets Jowan keep going is because he wants to implicate Lily.  And yeah, she was sent to Aeonar.  That was actually the only mention of it ever, as far as I know.  Which is why I think it was nothing but a reference to BG2.  All hail Arl Foreshadow.

There is a codex entry on it as well.

[nos_astra]

Isn't the point of Aeonar that the Veil is extremely thin there? With demons constantly whispering in your ear during, you would soon give in and possession would result in death, or something like that?

It reminded me of Azkaban from Harry Potter.

Modifié par klarabella, 20 avril 2011 - 06:03 .

[Cutlass Jack]

JesterPsychotica wrote...

Although I am an Anders fan, I was thinking about it- and it seemed a bit strange to me that a high ranking Templar officer like Meredith wouldn't first think of sending Anders to the Mages' Prison, Aeonar. Especially since it seems as though (from what little we've been told) that this place seems like worse of a punishment than death, and Anders is far to willing to be put to the sword, anyway.

Didn't seem strange to me. Standard Operating Proceedure for Abominations is pretty clear. Only one way to deal with the problem at that point. A prison would be more for mage criminals. As in someone who used magic to commit a criminal act but wasn't a blood mage or abomination.

Also you'll note Meredith didn't care at all about Anders at that point. He did her a favor by removing the one person stopping her from being able to invoke Annulment.

[Maria Caliban]

klarabella wrote...

Isn't the point of Aeonar that the Veil is extremely thin there? With demons constantly whispering in your ear during, you would soon give in and possession would result in death, or something like that?

Yes. Unlike Kirkwall, where the Veil is very thin and mages constantly succumb to blood magic and/or are possessed.

But Anders is already an abomination, so the prison would be meaningless to him.

[LobselVith8]

JesterPsychotica wrote...

Although I am an Anders fan, I was thinking about it- and it seemed a bit strange to me that a high ranking Templar officer like Meredith wouldn't first think of sending Anders to the Mages' Prison, Aeonar.

Wouldn't she need to actually do something about Anders first? She pretty much handwaves his existance after invoking the Right of Annulment.

[Rifneno]

klarabella wrote...

Isn't the point of Aeonar that the Veil is extremely thin there? With demons constantly whispering in your ear during, you would soon give in and possession would result in death, or something like that?

It reminded me of Azkaban from Harry Potter.

Or Kirkwall from Dragon Age 2.

[JesterPsychotica]

LobselVith8 wrote...

JesterPsychotica wrote...

Although I am an Anders fan, I was thinking about it- and it seemed a bit strange to me that a high ranking Templar officer like Meredith wouldn't first think of sending Anders to the Mages' Prison, Aeonar.

Wouldn't she need to actually do something about Anders first? She pretty much handwaves his existance after invoking the Right of Annulment.

This is true, now that I think of it.

Although because of Sebastian's tantrum perhaps she was expecting Hawke or Sebastian to get to him first, so she didn't have any need to step in at that time. The Annulment was her priority.

[nos_astra]

Rifneno wrote...
Or Kirkwall from Dragon Age 2.

No, from what I understood Aeonar would be worse. When they sent Lily to Aeonar, so I assumed it even had an effect on non-mages. (Very harsh punishment for a young woman in love.)

I can't remember where I read this. I hope I didn't just make it up.

Maria Caliban wrote...
Yes. Unlike Kirkwall, where the Veil is very thin and mages constantly succumb to blood magic and/or are possessed.

The Veil was also thinned at the Fereldan Circle when Uldred was having his little party there and the situation there was comparable to the situation at Kirkwall during the Rite of Annulment.

Maria Caliban wrote...
But Anders is already an abomination, so the prison would be meaningless to him.

Exactly.

Modifié par klarabella, 20 avril 2011 - 06:43 .

[JesterPsychotica]

Yes, I expect it to be quite ghastly, and essentially a place left to rot and kept in the most abysmal conditions. Even the Templars who are hired are probably the worst of the lot. convicts are willing to fight/kill each other for food. Unspeakable experiments performed on the possessed and normal mages to see the limits they can be pushed to.

Probably something akin to the Tower of London in its worst days, and worse.

[Avilia]

LobselVith8 wrote...

JesterPsychotica wrote...

Although I am an Anders fan, I was thinking about it- and it seemed a bit strange to me that a high ranking Templar officer like Meredith wouldn't first think of sending Anders to the Mages' Prison, Aeonar.

Wouldn't she need to actually do something about Anders first? She pretty much handwaves his existance after invoking the Right of Annulment.

She has a very big sword.  One swing and his head would be gone.  She's locked out of acting by the need for player agency imho.

It seems to me that this is one decision that logically should not have been left up to the player.  He just blew up the Chantry and admitted to inciting a war.  *unsheath* *swing* followed by bouncing head.  "Right.  Time to annul you lot...etc"

hehe - probably just as well I'm not a game dev..."OMGZOR they killed Anders!!!  That should be MY choice!"

Sorry - slight OTness - The Aeonar!  I'd have liked to have seen that one day, but you say its just a call back to something from before I played RPGs?  Darn.

Modifié par Avilia, 20 avril 2011 - 09:12 .

[DeathStride]

Avilia wrote...

She has a very big sword.  One swing and his head would be gone.  She's locked out of acting by the need for player agency imho.

It seems to me that this is one decision that logically should not have been left up to the player.  He just blew up the Chantry and admitted to inciting a war.  *unsheath* *swing* followed by bouncing head.  "Right.  Time to annul you lot...etc"

I agree completely that it completely ruined game immersion for her to be apathetic as to Anders' fate. As I mentioned in another thread, this is the woman the invokes the RoA on all mages mere moments before. This is also the same woman who asserts her right to execute Hawke's sister later. But she has no strong feelings aboug Anders? The one who just killed the Grand Cleric and countless Chantry clergymen and women??

Modifié par DeathStride, 20 avril 2011 - 09:20 .

[DemonLord4lf]

You're all insane. Before she leaves, she tells hawke, "I leave this one to you", or something to that extent. She doesn't brush off his existance or what he did. She's giving the decision over to the player.

[Addai]

Anders can't go to Aeonar because after a few trips to the privy the place would go up in pink flames.

[Ryzaki]

DeathStride wrote...

Avilia wrote...

She has a very big sword.  One swing and his head would be gone.  She's locked out of acting by the need for player agency imho.

It seems to me that this is one decision that logically should not have been left up to the player.  He just blew up the Chantry and admitted to inciting a war.  *unsheath* *swing* followed by bouncing head.  "Right.  Time to annul you lot...etc"

I agree completely that it completely ruined game immersion for her to be apathetic as to Anders' fate. As I mentioned in another thread, this is the woman the invokes the RoA on all mages mere moments before. This is also the same woman who asserts her right to execute Hawke's sister later. But she has no strong feelings aboug Anders? The one who just killed the Grand Cleric and countless Chantry clergymen and women??

True her leaving him alone makes no sense.

[DemonLord4lf]

She doesn't leave him alone. She leaves the decision to Hawke. She believes Hawke will do the right thing. And if you side with the mages, she believes you're going to defend him, imo. I haven't seen what happenes if you dont take a side...

Modifié par DemonLord4lf, 20 avril 2011 - 11:00 .

[Rifneno]

Avilia wrote...

LobselVith8 wrote...

JesterPsychotica wrote...

Although I am an Anders fan, I was thinking about it- and it seemed a bit strange to me that a high ranking Templar officer like Meredith wouldn't first think of sending Anders to the Mages' Prison, Aeonar.

Wouldn't she need to actually do something about Anders first? She pretty much handwaves his existance after invoking the Right of Annulment.

She has a very big sword.  One swing and his head would be gone.  She's locked out of acting by the need for player agency imho.

It seems to me that this is one decision that logically should not have been left up to the player.  He just blew up the Chantry and admitted to inciting a war.  *unsheath* *swing* followed by bouncing head.  "Right.  Time to annul you lot...etc"

hehe - probably just as well I'm not a game dev..."OMGZOR they killed Anders!!!  That should be MY choice!"

Sorry - slight OTness - The Aeonar!  I'd have liked to have seen that one day, but you say its just a call back to something from before I played RPGs?  Darn.

This is why they should've intigrated ME2's interrupt system when they did its dialogue wheel.  I guess the problem would've been, is saving Anders a paragon interrupt or a renegade interrupt?  Making it one or the other would've forced them to openly condone or condemn Anders.  Still, I think the interrupt system should've been put in for moments like that.

[Avilia]

@Rifneno - or even just an 'interrupt' with no sides picked. Meredith winds up for the big swing *button push!* *block* - "I don't think so sweetheart, this mah man/friend/pita, I decide what's what with him." Or alternatively *interrupt lights up* *ignores it* - Player: "Kill him! Kill him now! I want to see if Anders' head is bouncier than the Viscount's"

[DeathStride]

Avilia wrote...

@Rifneno - or even just an 'interrupt' with no sides picked. Meredith winds up for the big swing *button push!* *block* - "I don't think so sweetheart, this mah man/friend/pita, I decide what's what with him." Or alternatively *interrupt lights up* *ignores it* - Player: "Kill him! Kill him now! I want to see if Anders' head is bouncier than the Viscount's"

"This mah pita, b*tch!"



P.S. Apologies to the eyes of anybody who sees this, it's the results of 5 seconds in MS Paint, just thought I'd show what I saw in my mind's eye upon reading the Avilia's post.

Modifié par DeathStride, 20 avril 2011 - 11:35 .