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[AppleSoda]

Devn LeComte wrote...

RedundantCookie wrote...

Devn LeComte wrote...

DA2 IS GOOD! Tell me why you don't like it alex.

Read my last post...

I heard what you thought, I want to know what alex thinks. Story aside and all, would you rather have a boring game, or a fun game? All story, no game=Not fun. Fast paced, action packed=fun. Not saying that either DA1 or 2 executed this well, DA2 has a better grasp on battle and the polish of the game, DA1 has a much better story and is executed very well. DA2 on the other hand, executes it not as well, at all. So I am conflicted between the two, I played DA2 too much I guess, I grew attached to it.

Origins with the combat mechanics of DA2 would've been overwhelmingly nice. 

But I still think well implemented combat mechanics is a lot cheaper than paid voice actors, cohesive storyline and complex characters and backgrounds.  I hope for a marriage of the two in DA3.

[Devn LeComte]

AlexXIV wrote...

Devn LeComte wrote...

DA2 IS GOOD! Tell me why you don't like it alex.

Alot of reasons you could find the story/spoiler forum. Basically the story stops making sense every now and then. Well I can just ignore it and keep playing. But I would have liked more thought to it so it doesn't feel so half-arsed.

I don't mind the combat, not imporant to me. Liked the characters and companion quests, the dialogue wheel, etc. There are really alot of things that I like. But what really disturbs me is that I feel that the writers didn't put as much thought in the story as in DA:O. Also, choices. If I get 3 dialogue options, or any options actually, and they all lead to the same result, then I don't call it an option. I call it fake. I don't need a game to give me things to click for no particular reason. I can do that in the internet, without a game.

You and I actually have the same opinion , One has a well executed story, one doesn't. 

[Devn LeComte]

RedundantCookie wrote...

Devn LeComte wrote...

RedundantCookie wrote...

Devn LeComte wrote...

DA2 IS GOOD! Tell me why you don't like it alex.

Exactly what I said a couple posts ago. They need to scale out between the two, and BLEND. Then there is an epic game that will be just what I want. ALSO, MORRIGANNNNNNNN 


Read my last post...

I heard what you thought, I want to know what alex thinks. Story aside and all, would you rather have a boring game, or a fun game? All story, no game=Not fun. Fast paced, action packed=fun. Not saying that either DA1 or 2 executed this well, DA2 has a better grasp on battle and the polish of the game, DA1 has a much better story and is executed very well. DA2 on the other hand, executes it not as well, at all. So I am conflicted between the two, I played DA2 too much I guess, I grew attached to it.

Origins with the combat mechanics of DA2 would've been overwhelmingly nice. 

But I still think well implemented combat mechanics is a lot cheaper than paid voice actors, cohesive storyline and complex characters and backgrounds.  I hope for a marriage of the two in DA3.

[astrallite]

Yes I am afraid that we will go back to the Origins format. I will miss the reused areas and waves of mystical ninjas.

[GreekTragedy]

Personally, I would love it if they went back to Origins. That being said, I think the individual should have more control over how they can play their own game. Institute things like:

A combat speed slider
Tactical cam option
Friendly fire option
Arcade vs. Realistic play mode
Protagonist voice on/off
Dialog wheel on/off

In fact, if they could put some of these things into a patch, it might prod some of us to give DA2 another shot . . .

Modifié par GreekTragedy, 20 avril 2011 - 08:48 .

[AppleSoda]

astrallite wrote...

Yes I am afraid that we will go back to the Origins format. I will miss the reused areas and waves of mystical ninjas.

LOL.

[1000questions]

Devn LeComte wrote...

Balance is needed, I do agree with you, but the game started as something, people got attached to it, and you can't argue with some people. FANBASE, remember, they do this for money too.

And you think alienating fanbase brings you the money ??? Really ?

A company can plan to expand its customer base ONLY after retaining its fanbase. If you alienate your original fanbase in favour of new audience then you are NOT expanding you are simply switching your customer base.

Now does EA/Bioware want that.... from DA2 it looks like they do..... so you have a choice , to continue stick with them although they are catering new customers ( COD , GTA fanboys , button masher console guys ) and NOT you anymore.... or move forward.

As Stanely Woo often says, make your choice by either buying it or not.

(My choice if it is even more than 10% of DA2 and less than 70% of Origins ..... I am not buying it )

[AlexXIV]

Devn LeComte wrote...

AlexXIV wrote...

Devn LeComte wrote...

DA2 IS GOOD! Tell me why you don't like it alex.

Alot of reasons you could find the story/spoiler forum. Basically the story stops making sense every now and then. Well I can just ignore it and keep playing. But I would have liked more thought to it so it doesn't feel so half-arsed.

I don't mind the combat, not imporant to me. Liked the characters and companion quests, the dialogue wheel, etc. There are really alot of things that I like. But what really disturbs me is that I feel that the writers didn't put as much thought in the story as in DA:O. Also, choices. If I get 3 dialogue options, or any options actually, and they all lead to the same result, then I don't call it an option. I call it fake. I don't need a game to give me things to click for no particular reason. I can do that in the internet, without a game.

You and I actually have the same opinion , One has a well executed story, one doesn't. 

Well basically Obsidian has shown with FONV what is possible. Lots of faction, Karma, companion quests. Of the many quests, most have some sort of sense. I mean there are enough factions in Kirkwall, but you can only choose  .... edited because spoilerific ...

Modifié par AlexXIV, 20 avril 2011 - 08:50 .

[Aaleel]

I don't find the comabt in DA:O boring at all, even after playing DA2.

But combat alone does not make a game for me though. I don't care how good combat is, if I'm not enjoying the story, I lose interest in the game completely and definitely won't play it again.

[AlexXIV]

My main problem with DA:O combat is the 'shuffling'. You try to attack someone with melee and you have to go there and then others may be around and your character takes for ever to get into a position to even start a combat move. And by this time if you are unlucky mobs start running around and you have no choice but running after them. That's why I now usually leave the shuffling to the npcs and play mage or bowman

Modifié par AlexXIV, 20 avril 2011 - 08:53 .

[Devn LeComte]

1000questions wrote...

Devn LeComte wrote...

Balance is needed, I do agree with you, but the game started as something, people got attached to it, and you can't argue with some people. FANBASE, remember, they do this for money too.

And you think alienating fanbase brings you the money ??? Really ?

A company can plan to expand its customer base ONLY after retaining its fanbase. If you alienate your original fanbase in favour of new audience then you are NOT expanding you are simply switching your customer base.

Now does EA/Bioware want that.... from DA2 it looks like they do..... so you have a choice , to continue stick with them although they are catering new customers ( COD , GTA fanboys , button masher console guys ) and NOT you anymore.... or move forward.

As Stanely Woo often says, make your choice by either buying it or not.

(My choice if it is even more than 10% of DA2 and less than 70% of Origins ..... I am not buying it )

I doubt you can read, because that's not what I said. 
And A purist can't really enjoy a game, at all, and I think you are one of them. No offense or anything, but the game is the way it is, might as well enjoy it.

[Whisky]

The combat speed in DA:O is not as slow as people made it out to be, but the combat speed in DA2 is indeed ridiculously fast, it's doesn't feel right anymore. Baldur's Gate, however, is a fine example of good combat speed.
If DA3 is somewhat like Origins (the art style too) with a tactical camera, I would be very content.

Modifié par Whisky, 20 avril 2011 - 08:57 .

[Curlain]

Aaleel wrote...

I don't find the comabt in DA:O boring at all, even after playing DA2.

But combat alone does not make a game for me though. I don't care how good combat is, if I'm not enjoying the story, I lose interest in the game completely and definitely won't play it again.

And I actually prefered the more tactical, party-focused combat system in Origins over the faster, flashier combat in DA2.  I enjoyed having combat that I could think over and plan ahead, positioning the party etc and seeing how I built and equiped members of the party had an effect on that combat.  I also preferred the more realistic approach to melee combat vs that taken in DA2 (on the whole, 2 handers were to slow), and the death moves over exploding bodies, and set but at times tougher opponents over constant waves.

In other games I like fast combat, but for party-based RPG I like my pause and play tactical combat 

[AlexXIV]

Whisky wrote...

The combat speed in DA:O is not as slow as people made it out to be, but the combat speed in DA2 is indeed ridiculously fast, it's doesn't feel right anymore. Baldur's Gate, is a fine example.
If DA3 is somewhat like Origins (the art style too) with a tactical camera, I would be very content.

Yeah I agree the combat is maybe a tad too fast in DA2 now. I mean DA:O was too slow for me. It was painful to watch my 2hander warrior hurl the sword through the air. But DA2 is so fast that I have to hit space bar too many times to not lose oversight. I hardly need to do that in DA:O.

[Huntress]

I would like to play as an elf! guess where could you play as one? origens, so the answer is yes?

No, I just want to play anything also plus humans, DA2 is all about a human running around, DA3 should allow us to play as Elves, dwarves or humans and should add more about the warden ( if alive) and champion.

Why I would like to play as human?, simple, it seems that the Amel family is quite large and they probably somehow could be the connected to all the things that are hapening.. Magewarden amell>The champion of kirkwall, who knows maybe the next amell hero can marry flemeth and be a dragon! ( joking)
I least (i )hope thats the case with the Amel family that they are somewhat been connected and they have some type "destiny" in thedas. /pray

I don't want to bore anyone so I'll stop, but yea bring more races to play with and you have bought me.. again. Please don't forget the warden and champion in DA3.

Edit:

Do I like DA2, yes, very much, apart from all the depressing suff going on I still want to see more of the champion, and more of the warden!

I like: fighting responces/warcry from DA2, characters moves away from a mele if range, thats just genious!

I like: to talk to my companions anywere not just at their houses.

Relationships bwting them should be more a la Origen, yes my warden got alot more of it in a year, that hawk in 7 years!! thats just sad

[Brockololly]

ManiacalEvil wrote...
I am afraid the reviews will make DA3 have combat like DA:O which I found boring and unreallistically slow, and return to unvoiced and list dialogue, instead of wheeled and voiced. Anyone else feels like this?

One can only hope they go back to the style of Origins.

[Malanek]

I'm afraid they won't know what to do. There were so many different changes and so many different opinions on most of them that they are going to have a difficult job reaching a conclusion. I'm worried they will throw away things I liked and keep things I didn't like.

[Aaleel]

All they had to do was speed up the Origins combat some, and make a closing skill to remove the shuffling, which was really my only real problem with the combat in Origins,

[Stegoceras]

I'm honestly hoping that Bioware will take more cues from Origins for DA3, but I'm also realistic and can honestly see that many mechanics of DA2 worked (especially for the casual console gamer, no offense) although the story complety failed in my eyes, but that's debatable as well. So i'm expecting that DA3 follow in the lines of DA2 and there is nothing wrong with that, it probably isn't what I hope for though.

[1000questions]

Devn LeComte wrote...

I doubt you can read, because that's not what I said. 
And A purist can't really enjoy a game, at all, and I think you are one of them. No offense or anything, but the game is the way it is, might as well enjoy it.

I doubt if you know anything about the (so called by some) purist or pc elites , no offense though. It is actually the purists, the completionists and the likes who are more genuine about their opinions on the game and they say based on something solid unlike casual gamers who would say anything on fly.

Moreover enjoying a game shouldnt be a mandate just because you have paid 60 odd dollars. It is not like since I have paid 60 dollars for a pizza I have to enjoy it and eat it even though it is rotten or junk

[Paraxial]

Damned if you do damned if you don't.

[1000questions]

Malanek999 wrote...

I'm afraid they won't know what to do. There were so many different changes and so many different opinions on most of them that they are going to have a difficult job reaching a conclusion. I'm worried they will throw away things I liked and keep things I didn't like.

And exactly what things are you talking about in DA2 ?

[Riloux]

No, I'm afraid that it won't.

[adneate]

BioWare blacklisting DA2 and going back to an Origins style game would be proof that God exists and he loves us very, very much. On the other hand another DA2 style game would be irrefutable proof that the end times are upon us and all hope is lost.