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[AkiKishi]

ejoslin wrote...
I'm hoping the opposite happens.  There is so little competition in the tradition RPG genre, and DAO proved that there is a (large) market for them.  Actually, if anything, if BW decides to not release any more classic RPGs, it would not surprise me if more independant studios made them.

I just hope whoever steps in to fill that niche makes good stories, good romances, and most importantly (to me), a choice of gender!

One thing that seems to not be brought up is this. If Bioware wants CoDs and AC's customers then they are not only competing with RPGs but also those games. And compared to AC and CoD the quality of DA2 is a joke

There are relatively few CRPGs outside of JRPGs it's almost an open market for Bioware.Even though DA was not well made for consoles, it still sold very well.

Modifié par BobSmith101, 20 avril 2011 - 10:03 .

[_Aine_]

I bought DA2 despite reservations, 100% riding on the coattails of my DA:O experience.

The people who loved DA:O did so in part because it emanated quality: despite not being perfect it obviously had heart, time and tears invested in it. you could click almost anyone and get a relevant comment. Even the courier type quests didn't seem AS thrown in just to waste your time.

I think DA2 improved many things, but they were superficial things. The MEAT and BONES of it, didn't improve and took a step backward. It ceased to take itself seriously and was sort of a hollow reminder of what made DA:O great. Some dialogue, while funny, didn't make sense, or didn't take our *characters* seriously. People joking as I searched for my mother??? Making jokes about returning someones remains ? Really?

Am I afraid the bad review would what? No, i am not sure anything I personally, or we as a whole, say make one iota of difference. Comments are of course taken as input, but I think the bottom line and $$$ is what motivates people to change.

You can totally improve what DA:O gave with the improvements DA2 brought to the table, but the game must take itself seriously. This just seemed to ride on the coattails of DA:O and instead of bringing something new and unique, capitalized on the success of DA:O without ever really trying to give us a TRUE sequel...a game in it's own right, but worthy of its predecessor.

DA2 is fabulous for people who want a simply so-so story with a lot of combat. Someone who wants a lot of story and choice with some combat to liven it up, were likely disappointed.

The only way they will change, is if they decide the story is more or equally as important as the combat. If the combat is their main goal in DA3, I doubt anything people say on here to the contrary will make one iota of difference.

Modifié par shantisands, 20 avril 2011 - 10:03 .

[coomber]

It just made my day too lol.

[Miashi]

ejoslin wrote...
I just hope whoever steps in to fill that niche makes good stories, good romances, and most importantly (to me), a choice of gender!

Can I give you a hug?

[Sentox6]

Swoo wrote...
I'll have to recheck, but last I saw the Portal 2 Meta was standing at a 95/8.0 versus DA2's 82/4.2.

Portal 2 seems to be a small branch being very vocal, while DA2 seems to be divided straight down the middle.

Oh, no doubt. There are certainly more concrete criticisms that can be levelled at DA2 (the reuse of environments is an obvious one).

But either way, the people rating the game 0/10 aren't worth the time of day.

[darkshadow136]

I for one will be happy if the go back to the DAO style for DA3. I found the combat system to much like God Of War, and since that is not a style I like in a RPG game I will be glad to see it go. As far as the voiced dialog there was just as much if not more voiced dialog in Origins, and for me much more immersion in Origins then in DA2. One of the editors in PC Gamer magazine just wrote a review on DA2 and how he was having a hard time keeping interest to play through the game and was very disappointed in the game with the combat and reuse maps and so on. But he did give Bioware credit for trying something new, just that it may not be what the core fans were hoping for.

[neppakyo]

Sentox6 wrote...

Swoo wrote...
I'll have to recheck, but last I saw the Portal 2 Meta was standing at a 95/8.0 versus DA2's 82/4.2.

Portal 2 seems to be a small branch being very vocal, while DA2 seems to be divided straight down the middle.

Oh, no doubt. There are certainly more concrete criticisms that can be levelled at DA2 (the reuse of environments is an obvious one).

But either way, the people rating the game 0/10 aren't worth the time of day.

0/10 and 10/10 aren't worth the time of day.

I prefer to look at the 2-7 marks for how a game's critisms fare with users.

[RedSonia]

I'm not afraid of it... I'm praying for them to do it. And to let me play with my warden again. It's all a matter of tastes I guess.

[erynnar]

neppakyo wrote...

Sentox6 wrote...

Swoo wrote...
I'll have to recheck, but last I saw the Portal 2 Meta was standing at a 95/8.0 versus DA2's 82/4.2.

Portal 2 seems to be a small branch being very vocal, while DA2 seems to be divided straight down the middle.

Oh, no doubt. There are certainly more concrete criticisms that can be levelled at DA2 (the reuse of environments is an obvious one).

But either way, the people rating the game 0/10 aren't worth the time of day.

0/10 and 10/10 aren't worth the time of day.

I prefer to look at the 2-7 marks for how a game's critisms fare with users.

*wipes brow*  Whew! I gave it a 3 on metacritic (it was the first time I have ever gone on metacritc and reviewed too, so I didn't do a good job, I really need to go back and redo it so it is more helpful).

[Whisky]

It would be best if they keep these things of Origins:
- Races: human, elf, dwarf. (qunari is fine too)
- Companions interaction
- Ancient-look interface
- Art style (I mean better graphics but not cartoon like DA2 is)
- Dialogue options (Persuade, Intimidate, Cunning)
- Party Inventory Management and customizable armors for companions
- Finishing moves
- Tactical camera
- Darkspawn look
- Fantasy  theme (DA2 feels too much politics IMO)

and these things from DA2:
- Skill tree
- Sustained effects only visible in combat (I think they did this right in DA2)
- Force Mage

Plus a toolset, then I'd be the happiest person in the world.

Modifié par Whisky, 20 avril 2011 - 10:24 .

[MorrigansLove]

I just want a great, immersive story, is that so much to ask for?

[Alex Kershaw]

Wait a minute - we accept that game A > game B, yet you're afraid that they'll go back to game A? Nice logic bro. Seriously, I hope they do.

[Sentox6]

neppakyo wrote...
0/10 and 10/10 aren't worth the time of day.

True enough.

I prefer to look at the 2-7 marks for how a game's critisms fare with users.

Personally, I'll write off any reviewer giving less than 5 for a game like DA2 as outright irrational. It's just perspective: when games like Superman 64 exist, I just don't see any reasonable justification for a 2/10 (for example).

Modifié par Sentox6, 20 avril 2011 - 10:32 .

[Maverick827]

Alex Kershaw wrote...

Wait a minute - we accept that game A > game B, yet you're afraid that they'll go back to game A? Nice logic bro. Seriously, I hope they do.

Why do you assume everyone accepts this?  You should check your logic, chief.

[Rockpopple]

Because anyone who doesn't accept it is less than a person, and their opinion doesn't count?

You must be new around here.

[Aaleel]

I really couldn't care less about the actual scores. I just read the reviews and pay attention to the things that are present in a large percentage of them.

The actual score is just how much those these took away from the experience for that particular person. I'm not going to judge people on that.

I remember I was playing DA2 and I got back to that cave for the umpteenth time, and I just turned the game off, just couldn't do it. If you would have asked me to give a score at that moment lol.

[Devn LeComte]

adneate wrote...

BioWare blacklisting DA2 and going back to an Origins style game would be proof that God exists and he loves us very, very much. On the other hand another DA2 style game would be irrefutable proof that the end times are upon us and all hope is lost.

I'm sorry you think boring clunky combat is fun. I apologize.

[Sacred_Fantasy]

Well... many people were concerned with Mass Effecting Dragon Age 2 months before Dragon 2 release. I've read such previews, posts from others forums and decided to come BSN for clearer picture. I was told by many fanboys including devs that it's going to be awesome and fun. Despite, I was troubled by the lack of concern regarding the change in storytelling approach, majority of people argued about dialogue wheel and voiced protagonist. I knew the moment I've read third person unreliable narrator story-within-story approach, I'll get shallow story, lots of disconnection due to time forward mechanism and lack of exposition due to flashback manner. Not to mention unreliable and illusion element due to the nature of story-within-story. I was totally surprise nobody discuss the disadvantages of such storytelling approach. When I tried to rise my voiced, I was instantly hushed up for baseless speculation and that I should try the game first.

Well I did at the cost of 60$....

Anyway, I don't believe anything will change despite all this fiasco. I'm more inclined to believe that we'll see more streamlined, 99% action, uninspired amateurish boring overused story etc...

Whatever the outcome, I'll only look forward for one thing in NW, NW 2, DA O and now DA 2.

Toolset. I just want to create my own stand alone adventure and my own character without affecting other people preference in Official Campaign.

[A Crusty Knight Of Colour]

Devn LeComte wrote...

adneate wrote...

BioWare blacklisting DA2 and going back to an Origins style game would be proof that God exists and he loves us very, very much. On the other hand another DA2 style game would be irrefutable proof that the end times are upon us and all hope is lost.

I'm sorry you think boring clunky combat is fun. I apologize.

I'm sorry you think raiding the same warehouse or cave for 30-40 hours is fun. My apologies.

See, two can play at this game.

He obviously means the game as a whole, not one particular element that is still ruined by it's implementation. The combat mechanics were better in DA 2, but the parachuting ninja spawns made combat much worse overall imo.

Modifié par mrcrusty, 20 avril 2011 - 11:32 .

[Monica83]

More happy if they go back in origins... DA2 have a weak depth and the combat its just lame and ridicolus

[Melca36]

Devn LeComte wrote...

adneate wrote...

BioWare blacklisting DA2 and going back to an Origins style game would be proof that God exists and he loves us very, very much. On the other hand another DA2 style game would be irrefutable proof that the end times are upon us and all hope is lost.

I'm sorry you think boring clunky combat is fun. I apologize.

So exploding bodies with a backstab is evolution?

Fetch and Delivery quests is evolution.

Game needs to appeal to all fanbases and not just your group who want instant gratifcation and no depth.

Given the sales...I do predict that the developers will bring back elements of Origins.  They won't slow the combat but will be fixed accordingly.

If you don't like it, you can always play something else.

Origins didn't win all the awards and acclaim because of players like you.  

[Miashi]

All I can hope is that someone at Bioware decides what this game is supposed to be; an action-oriented RPG or a classic RPG. Something that tries to sit in between doesn't necesarily gets the best of both worlds.

If they decide to stick with the action style, I'm probably going to look elsewhere.

Modifié par Miashi, 20 avril 2011 - 11:48 .

[Killjoy Cutter]

Devn LeComte wrote...

adneate wrote...

BioWare blacklisting DA2 and going back to an Origins style game would be proof that God exists and he loves us very, very much. On the other hand another DA2 style game would be irrefutable proof that the end times are upon us and all hope is lost.

I'm sorry you think boring clunky combat is fun. I apologize.

I didn't find the combat in DA:O boring or clunky.

[Thorne_underfoot]

Challseus wrote...

I personally think they'll keep what worked, and hopefully dump what didn't work, which should include:

- re-used areas
- waves of enemies
- non-focused story, though to be fair, it *was* what they were looking to do

Add to the list
 
-less tactical/more action based combat
-Cartoonie Elves and Darkspawn