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[Jerrybnsn]

plokoon9619 wrote...

Dragon Age 3 won't happen now because of the failure of DA2, but at least Bioware can go back to DA1 and release DLC or expansion packs. That of course won't happen either even though its the best decision they can make.

DAII after week five still sold over a million copies.  That's pretty good. It'll never sell the 4.5 million that Origins did though and that's why they should move the game back towards the Origins style.

1)Go back to a first person point of view. A role playing game is just not a role playing game if your interacting in the third person point of view. No Mr. Laidlaw, Assassin's Creed is not a role playing game.  A bonus effect of ditching the third person is that you once again open up race options, and maybe add a few.

2)Go back to more realistic combat.  Do you wonder why the metacritic users score was lower for consoles than PCs?  Button mashing!  Why should we console users be subjected to the one button, eight-bit era combat?  All the combat animations don't impress considering that the characters will do all the teleporting, upswings, downsings, backflips on their own, while you, the controller just keeps pushing one button.

3)Art style is ugly.  Go back to the more realistic art work that Origins had.  Why can't it just be improved to the level of Mass Effects artwork or like what they are putting out with the Witcher 2.  The excuse that consoles can't handle better graphics is completely false. Look at what Naughty Dog has done for the Uncharted series.  Or even Crysis for that matter.

You know,  there is just so much to have to list here, I would just feel better if I knew they had  new lead designer for the next game. Because of this, "I couldn't play Origins, I thought it was too slow, the story was too plodding, too typical, and Dragon Age II is awesome by comparison!"

Modifié par Jerrybnsn, 21 avril 2011 - 09:36 .

[Melca36]

plokoon9619 wrote...

Dragon Age 2 would still be selling good if it just took everything from origins and improved on it. Look at Dead Space 2. It took everything from Dead Space 1 and improved on it for the single player game and is still selling good(despite the stupid multiplayer). It even got the same metacritic score.

Dragon Age 3 won't happen now because of the failure of DA2, but at least Bioware can go back to DA1 and release DLC or expansion packs. That of course won't happen either even though its the best decision they can make.

There will still be a Dragon Age 3 and hopefully will take what worked in DA:2 and add more of Origins style and create a game that appeals to all fan bases.

[DAO MAdhatter]

Forst1999 wrote...

I'm not to afraid. Professional criticism focused on issues like the lazy level design and bugs. The gameplay changes are nothing you can condemn from an objective point of view, just if you personaly prfered DA:O. Many fans complain about the changes, but they are not a quality issue, but something Bioware wanted.
I think Bioware is confident enough to make the games they want to make and will stick with it. I guess they will take care of the fair criticisms in the future, but will not falter and produce games just to cater to people who don't like what they are doing.

I whole heartedly agree with this.

[Teredan]

Persephone wrote...

Teredan wrote...

If DA3 is gonna be even more like DA2 than I'm gonna save myself the 60$ bucks easy as that.
If it's still successful in that format than good for it, there are many games that easily fill ne origins void.

There are? Care to share those? (Seriously, I'm interested, as I love that way of storytelling)

Sorry I meant that as in games in general that are coming out, but if you still want to know:

"L.A. Noir, Team Ico HD port, the witcher 2, skyrim, Tales of Graces, Ni no Kuni, Mass Effect 3, and surely still a few I have forgotten about"

If we talk about released games I'd strongly recommend Heavy Rain which I found to have the part of RPG that I love most, being able to shape your own story.(still not an rpg though) But nevertheless it's really great.

[Persephone]

DAO MAdhatter wrote...

Forst1999 wrote...

I'm not to afraid. Professional criticism focused on issues like the lazy level design and bugs. The gameplay changes are nothing you can condemn from an objective point of view, just if you personaly prfered DA:O. Many fans complain about the changes, but they are not a quality issue, but something Bioware wanted.
I think Bioware is confident enough to make the games they want to make and will stick with it. I guess they will take care of the fair criticisms in the future, but will not falter and produce games just to cater to people who don't like what they are doing.

I whole heartedly agree with this.

Seconded. And I do love your sig. You've got guts!:happy:

[SilentK]

Hmmm.... for me it's not the case of not liking DA:O. I loved DA:O   =)   played it to bits. Thought about my wardens constantly and talked with my gamer friends about it. There are just some aspects of DA2 that I prefer. Having a voice and combat. I hope that we will be able to keep that in DA3.

The story as I see it: Trying to keep it spoiler-free here. The point wasn't ancient evil or someone having an overall plan. It all just sort of happened and those not present in Kirwall think that Hawke had it all planed out. That the final outcome of the game was something they had worked for and planed all along.  

They have said that the wardens story isn't over and I believe them, I think that we will see more of Morrigan and all the major players. And I think that we will see what impact the events in Kirkwall have on the rest of Thedas since we as of now know nothing about it. From conversations in game we know that alot is happening out in Thedas. We just don't know what.  

[Persephone]

Teredan wrote...

Persephone wrote...

Teredan wrote...

If DA3 is gonna be even more like DA2 than I'm gonna save myself the 60$ bucks easy as that.
If it's still successful in that format than good for it, there are many games that easily fill ne origins void.

There are? Care to share those? (Seriously, I'm interested, as I love that way of storytelling)

Sorry I meant that as in games in general that are coming out, but if you still want to know:

"L.A. Noir, Team Ico HD port, the witcher 2, skyrim, Tales of Graces, Ni no Kuni, Mass Effect 3, and surely still a few I have forgotten about"

If we talk about released games I'd strongly recommend Heavy Rain which I found to have the part of RPG that I love most, being able to shape your own story.(still not an rpg though) But nevertheless it's really great.

TW2 has me seriously on the fence. (I loathe the redesigned Geralt and if it's true that they got a new VO actor for him...) I'll still look into it, given how much I loved the first one despite its sexist attitude...but....

Skyrim...no way. Oblivion still makes me cry bitter tears in memory of the glory of Morrowind.

ME3. Hell YES!!!

I'll look into Heavy Rain, sounds interesting. Thanks for the recs!

[Ryllen Laerth Kriel]

If they go back and take a few lessions from Origins, it would only help DA 3 I think. Going too far into the cheap-quick-actiony route didn't endear me to DA 2. About the only improvement I saw was the day/night cycle, and that didn't seem itilized to it's fullest potential. There's alot to be improved upon in Origins so it's no sacred golden cow for me, but given the choice I'd much rather buy something that was in the spirit of Origins than DA 2.

[Teredan]

Persephone wrote...

Teredan wrote...

Persephone wrote...

Teredan wrote...

If DA3 is gonna be even more like DA2 than I'm gonna save myself the 60$ bucks easy as that.
If it's still successful in that format than good for it, there are many games that easily fill ne origins void.

There are? Care to share those? (Seriously, I'm interested, as I love that way of storytelling)

Sorry I meant that as in games in general that are coming out, but if you still want to know:

"L.A. Noir, Team Ico HD port, the witcher 2, skyrim, Tales of Graces, Ni no Kuni, Mass Effect 3, and surely still a few I have forgotten about"

If we talk about released games I'd strongly recommend Heavy Rain which I found to have the part of RPG that I love most, being able to shape your own story.(still not an rpg though) But nevertheless it's really great.

TW2 has me seriously on the fence. (I loathe the redesigned Geralt and if it's true that they got a new VO actor for him...) I'll still look into it, given how much I loved the first one despite its sexist attitude...but....

Skyrim...no way. Oblivion still makes me cry bitter tears in memory of the glory of Morrowind.

ME3. Hell YES!!!

I'll look into Heavy Rain, sounds interesting. Thanks for the recs!

Surely legit concerns. But as I am not one of the pre order crowd I'll definitely make sure to be informed before I buy. Well Oblivion was quite fun with mods also the addon shivering isles had lots of character. The only real gripe I had was holy **** was that game bright on full graphics.

[simonc4175]

ManiacalEvil wrote...

This game is not as well rated as the previous game, I think we can all conclude that. Am I the only one afraid that the nostalgia backlash this game received will make BioWare games become less actiony in the future? I immensely enjoyed DA2 and I'd go as far as to classify it as one of my top 5 games (Origins didn't make it, a bit too boring and slow). I really enjoy how actiony yet tactical the combat was, how deep the characters were (being able to talk to your family really made those characters awesome)

I am afraid the reviews will make DA3 have combat like DA:O which I found boring and unreallistically slow, and return to unvoiced and list dialogue, instead of wheeled and voiced. Anyone else feels like this?

EDITED to remove spoilers.

I'm fairly sure that some magazines like PC Gamer gave DA2 a higher score than Origins.

I'd agree DA:O's combat was slow and boring and I hope they never go back to it 

[Teredan]

simonc4175 wrote...

ManiacalEvil wrote...

This game is not as well rated as the previous game, I think we can all conclude that. Am I the only one afraid that the nostalgia backlash this game received will make BioWare games become less actiony in the future? I immensely enjoyed DA2 and I'd go as far as to classify it as one of my top 5 games (Origins didn't make it, a bit too boring and slow). I really enjoy how actiony yet tactical the combat was, how deep the characters were (being able to talk to your family really made those characters awesome)

I am afraid the reviews will make DA3 have combat like DA:O which I found boring and unreallistically slow, and return to unvoiced and list dialogue, instead of wheeled and voiced. Anyone else feels like this?

EDITED to remove spoilers.

I'm fairly sure that some magazines like PC Gamer gave DA2 a higher score than Origins.

I'd agree DA:O's combat was slow and boring and I hope they never go back to it 

Whereas magazines like gameinformer gave it a lower score.
See your bat**** logic?
Magazines scores are for the lazy or for mindless drones that can't built their own opinion.

[Persephone]

Teredan wrote...

simonc4175 wrote...

ManiacalEvil wrote...

This game is not as well rated as the previous game, I think we can all conclude that. Am I the only one afraid that the nostalgia backlash this game received will make BioWare games become less actiony in the future? I immensely enjoyed DA2 and I'd go as far as to classify it as one of my top 5 games (Origins didn't make it, a bit too boring and slow). I really enjoy how actiony yet tactical the combat was, how deep the characters were (being able to talk to your family really made those characters awesome)

I am afraid the reviews will make DA3 have combat like DA:O which I found boring and unreallistically slow, and return to unvoiced and list dialogue, instead of wheeled and voiced. Anyone else feels like this?

EDITED to remove spoilers.

I'm fairly sure that some magazines like PC Gamer gave DA2 a higher score than Origins.

I'd agree DA:O's combat was slow and boring and I hope they never go back to it 

Whereas magazines like gameinformer gave it a lower score.
See your bat**** logic?
Magazines scores are for the lazy or for mindless drones that can't built their own opinion.

Same goes for user scores IMHO.

[Kidd]

I agree with the OP. Even though I feel Origins was more polished and perhaps even a better game overall (not to me, personally though, but I note that's personal opinion really), DA2 added much to the experience. It's just a lot of things weren't done well so now most people are calling for a complete rollback. And a complete rollback isn't what, at least I, want at all.

- Tone down the waves (it's a nice system to surprise you now and then and would make the world feel more real*, but it's overused in DA2)
- Less recycled areas
- Keep the unique looks to our companions, but give us more stat upgrades to them, especially ones where we choose between X and Y instead of always clicking everything

* I don't know about you all, but most of the time I don't see the animation for them joining the battle cause I'm focusing elsewhere. I'm replaying the game atm and just started act2, and only in a single quest on the Wounded Coast did I notice myself thinking "woah, parachuting templars" so far.

[Melca36]

First they need to cut down on the waves. This is ridiculous and ruins the immersion of the game...



Seeing enemies materialize before my eyes and jump down from huge distances ruins the immersion and as well as diminishes this the integrity game series as a whole.

Combat was slow in Origins but now its way too fast. There needs to be a compromise.

And like I said, there will be a DA:3 but hopefully more elements that made Origins successful will be incorporated into it.

[Teredan]

Saying this outright if Bioware will just redo the a better graphics origins, I'm not gonna buy that either.

I want to be wowed by them. A game that wowed me in 2009 is not gonna do it in 2011.
Also a merge of what worked in DA2 and DA:O will not suffice for me either I want major improvements.

Yeah I have ridiculous standarts, I know.

[Melca36]

Persephone wrote...

Teredan wrote...

simonc4175 wrote...

ManiacalEvil wrote...

This game is not as well rated as the previous game, I think we can all conclude that. Am I the only one afraid that the nostalgia backlash this game received will make BioWare games become less actiony in the future? I immensely enjoyed DA2 and I'd go as far as to classify it as one of my top 5 games (Origins didn't make it, a bit too boring and slow). I really enjoy how actiony yet tactical the combat was, how deep the characters were (being able to talk to your family really made those characters awesome)

I am afraid the reviews will make DA3 have combat like DA:O which I found boring and unreallistically slow, and return to unvoiced and list dialogue, instead of wheeled and voiced. Anyone else feels like this?

EDITED to remove spoilers.

I'm fairly sure that some magazines like PC Gamer gave DA2 a higher score than Origins.

I'd agree DA:O's combat was slow and boring and I hope they never go back to it 

Whereas magazines like gameinformer gave it a lower score.
See your bat**** logic?
Magazines scores are for the lazy or for mindless drones that can't built their own opinion.

Same goes for user scores IMHO.

I think those who gave the game a 7/8 have been more than fair.   Its not a perfect game but its not as bad as people make it out to be.

[Melca36]

simonc4175 wrote...

ManiacalEvil wrote...

This game is not as well rated as the previous game, I think we can all conclude that. Am I the only one afraid that the nostalgia backlash this game received will make BioWare games become less actiony in the future? I immensely enjoyed DA2 and I'd go as far as to classify it as one of my top 5 games (Origins didn't make it, a bit too boring and slow). I really enjoy how actiony yet tactical the combat was, how deep the characters were (being able to talk to your family really made those characters awesome)

I am afraid the reviews will make DA3 have combat like DA:O which I found boring and unreallistically slow, and return to unvoiced and list dialogue, instead of wheeled and voiced. Anyone else feels like this?

EDITED to remove spoilers.

I'm fairly sure that some magazines like PC Gamer gave DA2 a higher score than Origins.

I'd agree DA:O's combat was slow and boring and I hope they never go back to it 

Actually it got Game of The Year as I recall. You do realize Origins won awards don't you? Funny how some of you trash Origins once the new game came out.

[Persephone]

Melca36 wrote...

Persephone wrote...

Teredan wrote...

simonc4175 wrote...

ManiacalEvil wrote...

This game is not as well rated as the previous game, I think we can all conclude that. Am I the only one afraid that the nostalgia backlash this game received will make BioWare games become less actiony in the future? I immensely enjoyed DA2 and I'd go as far as to classify it as one of my top 5 games (Origins didn't make it, a bit too boring and slow). I really enjoy how actiony yet tactical the combat was, how deep the characters were (being able to talk to your family really made those characters awesome)

I am afraid the reviews will make DA3 have combat like DA:O which I found boring and unreallistically slow, and return to unvoiced and list dialogue, instead of wheeled and voiced. Anyone else feels like this?

EDITED to remove spoilers.

I'm fairly sure that some magazines like PC Gamer gave DA2 a higher score than Origins.

I'd agree DA:O's combat was slow and boring and I hope they never go back to it 

Whereas magazines like gameinformer gave it a lower score.
See your bat**** logic?
Magazines scores are for the lazy or for mindless drones that can't built their own opinion.

Same goes for user scores IMHO.

I think those who gave the game a 7/8 have been more than fair.   Its not a perfect game but its not as bad as people make it out to be.

Agreed. The 10/10 crowd (Though a minority) and the 0-3/10 bashing is what has me shaking my head. I'm perfectly on board with a 6-7/10 rating. (Though I'd give it 8.5-9/10).

[Jerrybnsn]

Melca36 wrote...


I think those who gave the game a 7/8 have been more than fair.   Its not a perfect game but its not as bad as people make it out to be.

In defense of those who scored the game lower than 7 or 8s, that's how they felt about the game.  If they didn't like the over-the-top combat/ Button mashing, or he character interaction and combined it all to add up to a zero, than that's a fair score because it's their opinion.

If you say it's a 7 or an 8 than that's a fair opinion because it's yours. 

Someone mention Highlander.  That's a perfect comparision to how people feel about this game.  Highlander became an instant cult hit.  Cult, meaning that the fans instantly worshipped the plotline of the movie. But the second one just blew holes into the first one's story that the fans were outraged.  Was Highlander 2 a very bad movie?  Not by itself, although trying to figure out the plotline was a little hard.  But the fans were very upset and hence Highlander 2 is synomonous with failure.

[Melca36]

Jerrybnsn wrote...

Melca36 wrote...


I think those who gave the game a 7/8 have been more than fair.   Its not a perfect game but its not as bad as people make it out to be.

In defense of those who scored the game lower than 7 or 8s, that's how they felt about the game.  If they didn't like the over-the-top combat/ Button mashing, or he character interaction and combined it all to add up to a zero, than that's a fair score because it's their opinion.

If you say it's a 7 or an 8 than that's a fair opinion because it's yours. 

Someone mention Highlander.  That's a perfect comparision to how people feel about this game.  Highlander became an instant cult hit.  Cult, meaning that the fans instantly worshipped the plotline of the movie. But the second one just blew holes into the first one's story that the fans were outraged.  Was Highlander 2 a very bad movie?  Not by itself, although trying to figure out the plotline was a little hard.  But the fans were very upset and hence Highlander 2 is synomonous with failure.

My rating is actually around a 7.5   

Story I give an 8...gameplay a 6.

The thing is...I've been called hater for that score as well as a mindless fanboy.   There still is no middle ground when it comes to this game.

[Jerrybnsn]

I give it an incomplete. Because I have no intention of playing it. I'm just here hoping that DA3 will be more like Origins.

[Persephone]

Jerrybnsn wrote...

I give it an incomplete. Because I have no intention of playing it. I'm just here hoping that DA3 will be more like Origins.

You've never played it or you started it & did not finish?

[Jerrybnsn]

I played the demo, and said "WTH happened to my Dragon Age?!" So I started to do some research on Dragon Age and this site kept coming up a lot. I can definitly say after reading posts from this site that date back to last summer, Bioware was definitly aware that there would be a backlash from this game.

Anyhow, feeling gypped out of my Dragon Age sequel, I decided that it was this place that messed up my favorite game. So I'm adding my voice hoping that I'll be heard.

[LightningSamus]

Posting in a joke thread.