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[T-0pel]

Galad22 wrote...

What op fears is funnily enough exactly what I am hoping will happen to DA franchise.

Me too.

[abaris]

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

In many areas, you can only rent console versions, and many people who game on a PC haven't bothered buying the latest version of one of the consoles. 

Right, you can't rent a PC game in my parts. And I would never dream about buying a console, not because of elitism, but because of forking out another 400, no modding possible and games being more expensive than they already are on the PC.

[Persephone]

abaris wrote...

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

In many areas, you can only rent console versions, and many people who game on a PC haven't bothered buying the latest version of one of the consoles. 

Right, you can't rent a PC game in my parts. And I would never dream about buying a console, not because of elitism, but because of forking out another 400, no modding possible and games being more expensive than they already are on the PC.

I'm sorry, I didn't know that. I can totally understand those reasons and I agree with them, esp. regarding Mods. Mods are an essential part of my gaming experience.

[DKJaigen]

Sacred_Fantasy wrote...

Hmm.. now I see bleak future with DA series. Perhaps BW really hate DA. But before they kill DA, they want to milk as much money as possible. Brent Knowles is right. BioWare is no longer the same company as before. There is no longer any passion for making games for gamer. It's all about fast food and quick money grabbing.

This is about the dumbest thing i ever seen. wake up lad every game company is about money.

Anyway some people like the whole :  lets do idle and pointless chat "in orgins but i freaking hated it. i dont need to hear about leliana;s shoe fetish , allistairs whining or morrigans grimdark view of the world. The da 2 chars had plenty of time to show what kind of char they are without resorting to toe-curling pointless chatter.

[Nozybidaj]

SilentK wrote...

Jerrybnsn wrote...

I played the demo, and said "WTH happened to my Dragon Age?!" So I started to do some research on Dragon Age and this site kept coming up a lot. I can definitly say after reading posts from this site that date back to last summer, Bioware was definitly aware that there would be a backlash from this game.

Anyhow, feeling gypped out of my Dragon Age sequel, I decided that it was this place that messed up my favorite game. So I'm adding my voice hoping that I'll be heard.

You haven't played the game?  Hmmm.... why not give it a try before deciding      There are some changes that I really like, some things that I miss. But I think it's easier do discuss those things after playing the game and being able to make comparisons. Me, I really love my Hawke having a voice and would be over the moon if they keept that in DA3. I think the combat is more fun in DA2 but I could live with a little less exploding/ *splash* -deaths.

Give the game a try, if you don't like it after playing then you can always draw on your own examples  

Sounds a lot like BW before ME2.  "Just trust us"  Yeah, they got me on that one.  So I passed on DA2 given how much of it sounds like ME2 with swords.

The voiced PC I can go either way on, but prefer a silent one for rpg's like DA:O.  Works fine in action/adventure games like ME2.

The reused areas, the exploding bodies, the "its raining men" teleporting enemies, the over the top combat awesome buttons.  I don't need to actually buy and play the game to know I'm not going to like it.

[Sacred_Fantasy]

DKJaigen wrote...

Sacred_Fantasy wrote...

Hmm.. now I see bleak future with DA series. Perhaps BW really hate DA. But before they kill DA, they want to milk as much money as possible. Brent Knowles is right. BioWare is no longer the same company as before. There is no longer any passion for making games for gamer. It's all about fast food and quick money grabbing.

This is about the dumbest thing i ever seen. wake up lad every game company is about money.

Anyway some people like the whole :  lets do idle and pointless chat "in orgins but i freaking hated it. i dont need to hear about leliana;s shoe fetish , allistairs whining or morrigans grimdark view of the world. The da 2 chars had plenty of time to show what kind of char they are without resorting to toe-curling pointless chatter.

Oh. They are making money with DA 2 no doubt about it. They're probably going to make money too in DA 3. But this time most probably without my money on it and many other as well. Will they gather new audience they so craved for, we'll see. Time will tell. It's interesting to see how a company alienated it's own core fans while at the same time hoping to gather more money by servicing fast food.   

Modifié par Sacred_Fantasy, 21 avril 2011 - 01:39 .

[Killjoy Cutter]

DKJaigen wrote...

Sacred_Fantasy wrote...

Hmm.. now I see bleak future with DA series. Perhaps BW really hate DA. But before they kill DA, they want to milk as much money as possible. Brent Knowles is right. BioWare is no longer the same company as before. There is no longer any passion for making games for gamer. It's all about fast food and quick money grabbing.

This is about the dumbest thing i ever seen. wake up lad every game company is about money.

Anyway some people like the whole :  lets do idle and pointless chat "in orgins but i freaking hated it. i dont need to hear about leliana;s shoe fetish , allistairs whining or morrigans grimdark view of the world. The da 2 chars had plenty of time to show what kind of char they are without resorting to toe-curling pointless chatter.

Oddly enough, I just turned on the subtitles, and quick-read through a lot more of the dialogue in DA2 than I ever did in DA:O.  The conversations often seem to be lacking something in DA2.

[byzantine horse]

I liked both games, no fear on my part. Or, well, I fear that they will keep bad elements from games and mix them in hoping that they will have a winner at the end. Both games have pros and cons, DA2 more cons than the previous game, but both are good games. I just hope they can weed out the bad stuff and pick the good ones.

[Aaleel]

DA2 needed the companion dialogue more than Origins. If it was supposed to be a personal story over a decade, you should have built up relationships with your party on a personal level. But the characters in DA2 just seemed hollow.

Then your family, they gave you a family and assumed you would care about them because they called them your family. They never developed the family component so you never really felt like you were doing things for them, trying to get them out of poverty.

The game really should have started in Lothering before the darkspawn struck. Maybe have a scene where Templars come and you have to hide Bethany from them, show how much she's afraid to go to the circle. Make it personal, make you want to protect you family.

It's like they dropped all of the companion/family interaction just to add in more combat to appeal to COD crowd they were going after.

[Stegoceras]

DKJaigen wrote...

Sacred_Fantasy wrote...

Hmm.. now I see bleak future with DA series. Perhaps BW really hate DA. But before they kill DA, they want to milk as much money as possible. Brent Knowles is right. BioWare is no longer the same company as before. There is no longer any passion for making games for gamer. It's all about fast food and quick money grabbing.

This is about the dumbest thing i ever seen. wake up lad every game company is about money.

That's why Indie developers have been popping up at a tremendous rate these last couple of years.

[Urazz]

Personally, I think the big things that lowered DA2 were the constant reusing of the same 5 dungeons pretty much and Act 3 being rushed. Everything else is more of a minor quibble that you expect from a good game.

[Killjoy Cutter]

Aaleel wrote...

DA2 needed the companion dialogue more than Origins. If it was supposed to be a personal story over a decade, you should have built up relationships with your party on a personal level. But the characters in DA2 just seemed hollow.

Then your family, they gave you a family and assumed you would care about them because they called them your family. They never developed the family component so you never really felt like you were doing things for them, trying to get them out of poverty.

The game really should have started in Lothering before the darkspawn struck. Maybe have a scene where Templars come and you have to hide Bethany from them, show how much she's afraid to go to the circle. Make it personal, make you want to protect you family.

It's like they dropped all of the companion/family interaction just to add in more combat to appeal to COD crowd they were going after.

It does seem that way. 

The start of the game is increadibly rushed, and I think it would have been far better had it started out in Lothering, before anyone there even knew that the Darkspawn were amassing in the south.

[Aaleel]

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

Aaleel wrote...

DA2 needed the companion dialogue more than Origins. If it was supposed to be a personal story over a decade, you should have built up relationships with your party on a personal level. But the characters in DA2 just seemed hollow.

Then your family, they gave you a family and assumed you would care about them because they called them your family. They never developed the family component so you never really felt like you were doing things for them, trying to get them out of poverty.

The game really should have started in Lothering before the darkspawn struck. Maybe have a scene where Templars come and you have to hide Bethany from them, show how much she's afraid to go to the circle. Make it personal, make you want to protect you family.

It's like they dropped all of the companion/family interaction just to add in more combat to appeal to COD crowd they were going after.

It does seem that way. 

The start of the game is increadibly rushed, and I think it would have been far better had it started out in Lothering, before anyone there even knew that the Darkspawn were amassing in the south.

They also could have had your mage Hawke start out in the Circle and maybe see some mistreatment of mages first hand.  You could have talked to Erving, and maybe even Ulread to get the opposition side.  Maybe even seen the first parts of the Tower being taken over and escaped during the commotion. 

You know about Darkspawn because Duncan had been there so you go to your family in Lothering.  Carver comes back from Ostagar and confronts you about putting your whole family in danger and it sets up your whole rivalry relationship with Carver. 

Plus both starts I mentioned set up the templar/Mage storyline right from the start of the game.

They could have had different Origins in this game even without giving different races, they were just lazy.  They could have really made it a good personal story.

[Whisky]

I don't know about you guys, but I really hope they'll come back to the Grey Warden/darkspawn story. What more important is the fantasy theme. DA2 has no fantasy feeling in it at all. People keep bashing the hero-saves-the-world story but what's wrong with that guys? Isn't that's why you played Origins? 

Isn't a 'hero adventuring around Thedas to save the world' better than 'a man running around in a city to earn coins and social status'?

[Killjoy Cutter]

Could have easily had different races... dwarves would probably had to have been surfacers. It's not like there were no elves living in Lothering.

Not sure about starting out in the Circle... would be hard to fit in appostate Bethany and circle-member Hawke coherently, I think, given how it would have exposed father and sister to Templar scrutiny if Hawke had joined the Circle.

[Killjoy Cutter]

Whisky wrote...

I don't know about you guys, but I really hope they'll come back to the Grey Warden/darkspawn story. What more important is the fantasy theme. DA2 has no fantasy feeling in it at all. People keep bashing the hero-saves-the-world story but what's wrong with that guys? Isn't that's why you played Origins? 

Isn't a 'hero adventuring around Thedas to save the world' better than 'a man running around in a city to earn coins and social status'?

I don't mind the story being more personal and not about saving the entire world.  It was just very poorly executed.

[AkiKishi]

Whisky wrote...

I don't know about you guys, but I really hope they'll come back to the Grey Warden/darkspawn story. What more important is the fantasy theme. DA2 has no fantasy feeling in it at all. People keep bashing the hero-saves-the-world story but what's wrong with that guys? Isn't that's why you played Origins? 

Isn't a 'hero adventuring around Thedas to save the world' better than 'a man running around in a city to earn coins and social status'?

They wrote themselves into a bit of a corner with that one. It worked really well, but it was a one off. You can't just keep having blights, that would be silly and without the blight the Grey Warden is diminished.

Seekers being the Jedi Order of Thedas seem to make the most sense for continuation.

[Aaleel]

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

Could have easily had different races... dwarves would probably had to have been surfacers. It's not like there were no elves living in Lothering.

Not sure about starting out in the Circle... would be hard to fit in appostate Bethany and circle-member Hawke coherently, I think, given how it would have exposed father and sister to Templar scrutiny if Hawke had joined the Circle.

The problem with an Elf Hawke is would they have let an elf buy a mansion in Hightown no matter how much money they had.  But at the same time they could have went to the route of showing just how intolerent the people were, that no matter what an elf did they were treated like a second class citizen.  I guess you could have stayed in the Alienage until the Arishok part.  Then it really becomes a great personal story of achievement being an elf rising to the level of Champion of a city.

They may have had to forgo the whole family aspect with another race though.

Also as far Hawke and the Circle, he could have gotten caught, maybe even gotten caught to let Bethany get away.  Maybe even start the game with a flashback of Hawke telling Bethany to run and sacrificing himself.  Then have him wake up in the Tower.

Modifié par Aaleel, 21 avril 2011 - 02:21 .

[Sacred_Fantasy]

Whisky wrote...

I don't know about you guys, but I really hope they'll come back to the Grey Warden/darkspawn story. What more important is the fantasy theme. DA2 has no fantasy feeling in it at all. People keep bashing the hero-saves-the-world story but what's wrong with that guys? Isn't that's why you played Origins? 

Isn't a 'hero adventuring around Thedas to save the world' better than 'a man running around in a city to earn coins and social status'?

Don't worry about Hero of Ferelden. He's ranked no 1 here followed by Commander Shepard. I've seen a thread about people ranking their favorite player character before. I can't remember the link tho. Those that bashed the warden are people who hate DA O.  Just ignore them. Anyway, The warden story is over. I don't think BW going to solve any issue whatsoever with the warden story. Not while Mike Laidlaw as Lead Designer. And I think Gaider himself favor voiced protagonist which is the main reason why it's not cost saving and feasible to use the warden anymore.

Modifié par Sacred_Fantasy, 21 avril 2011 - 02:41 .

[Killjoy Cutter]

Aaleel wrote...

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

Could have easily had different races... dwarves would probably had to have been surfacers. It's not like there were no elves living in Lothering.

Not sure about starting out in the Circle... would be hard to fit in appostate Bethany and circle-member Hawke coherently, I think, given how it would have exposed father and sister to Templar scrutiny if Hawke had joined the Circle.

The problem with an Elf Hawke is would they have let an elf buy a mansion in Hightown no matter how much money they had.  But at the same time they could have went to the route of showing just how intolerent the people were, that no matter what an elf did they were treated like a second class citizen.  I guess you could have stayed in the Alienage until the Arishok part.  Then it really becomes a great personal story of achievement being an elf rising to the level of Champion of a city.

They may have had to forgo the whole family aspect with another race though.

Also as far Hawke and the Circle, he could have gotten caught, maybe even gotten caught to let Bethany get away.  Maybe even start the game with a flashback of Hawke telling Bethany to run and sacrificing himself.  Then have him wake up in the Tower.

I'd have a lot of trouble playing mage Hawkes with that element -- I loath "this will happen you have no chance to affect the outcome" moments in games.  (Another example would be in Awakenings, when you can see immediately that there is a trap in a certain place, and even if you walk WAAAAY around it, a cutscene triggers, and you're trapped.) 

On the elf side... not sure about the Hightown mansion problem... I'd have to think that over some more.  I'm sure I'll come up with something. 

[Whisky]

EDIT: *Nevermind*

Modifié par Whisky, 21 avril 2011 - 02:45 .

[erynnar]

Persephone wrote...

plokoon9619 wrote...

Dragon Age 3 won't happen now because of the failure of DA2,

Based on what evidence?

Far as I know, they are already working on it and the franchise is FAR from abandoned. And I'm glad of it.

This^! And me too Perse! 

And I was grumpy last night glad everyone ignored me (ugh sleeping issues). I finally loaded up a mage (same face as my rogue--I just hear that voice coming out of a different mouth) and despite the plot holes being even larger for the mage play, I like it much better than my rogue. Of course I haven't had the ninja waves in Kirkwall yet, but so far... 

Still, I want them to go back to Origins take all that worked with it, and all that worked in DA2 ( already posted likes and tweaks to DA2 combat I would love for them to keep) and put them together. Franken DA!!!  And we won't have to have pitchforks and torches we will be a happy mob instead, I think..

[cljqnsnyc]

erynnar wrote...

Persephone wrote...

plokoon9619 wrote...

Dragon Age 3 won't happen now because of the failure of DA2,

Based on what evidence?

Far as I know, they are already working on it and the franchise is FAR from abandoned. And I'm glad of it.

This^! And me too Perse! 

And I was grumpy last night glad everyone ignored me (ugh sleeping issues). I finally loaded up a mage (same face as my rogue--I just hear that voice coming out of a different mouth) and despite the plot holes being even larger for the mage play, I like it much better than my rogue. Of course I haven't had the ninja waves in Kirkwall yet, but so far... 

Still, I want them to go back to Origins take all that worked with it, and all that worked in DA2 ( already posted likes and tweaks to DA2 combat I would love for them to keep) and put them together. Franken DA!!!  And we won't have to have pitchforks and torches we will be a happy mob instead, I think..

The mage is the only class I ever play in DA. But in DA2, wait until you see just how irrelevant and sometimes virtually invisible you become. Watch specifically your odd but brief interatction with Wesley at the beginning and your unbelievable dealings with Cullen and you'll see what I mean. Still, aside from all of the issues I have/had with this game, the mage made things slightly more tolerable for me. Have fun.....USE MODS...they help! ../../../images/forum/emoticons/smile.png

[Sacred_Fantasy]

 Based on FreyaWazHere's survey:

54% or 1,587 people preferred Origins style: the ability to shape history and warden story as they progress vs
6% or 614 people who preferred DA 2 style. 
40% or 1,173 people who think both styles have their own merit.

FreyaWazHere's survey

So OP, you are the minority here.

But don't worry. You have the assurance from both Mike Laidlaw and Gaider that they will continue to develop awesome quality game according your and the minority preference here because they already said they kick the castle sand they build and turn 180 degree. If DA O was a success then 180 degree for success is failure.

Time will tell.  

[FaeQueenCory]

Quite the opposite, really.
I found the combat in DA2 to be INFINITELY more unrealistic than Origins... which, btw, is actually pretty realistic if you have ever seen people actually fight medieval style. And I mean for real fight, not the staged stuff you'll find at renfairs and other places. Sure the shuffling around was lame, but everything else was extremely realistic.
As to the voiced protagonist. To simply state what has been said 100000000000000000x and no matter how often it is stated it will never be accepted because people are human: The Warden was the player. Hawke is not.
What that means is that the voiced protagonist is not you RPing but you watching a story play out. If you wanna watch a story play out, play FF or watch a movie. If you want to RP play DnD, SMT, or Origins. That was the appeal of Origins. That it allowed players to actually RP in our modern times where that is mostly lost in video games.
Everyone can agree that the combat in Origins was slow, if realistic, but we must also admit that combat is WAY too over the top in DA2! DA3 should have a happy median.
And the poor use of waves of enemies in DA2 made any sort of attempt at being strategic gone after the second wave had shown up.