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[Persephone]

dr Oldman wrote...

PresidentCowboy wrote...

I loved both games. I hated some things about both games. Find a good middle ground and DA3 will be amazing.

I agree with you completely.

Seconded!

[Melness]

Persephone wrote...

dr Oldman wrote...

PresidentCowboy wrote...

I loved both games. I hated some things about both games. Find a good middle ground and DA3 will be amazing.

I agree with you completely.

Seconded!

I'm a fan of middle grounds.

For an instance, I like custom bodies for every character and assorted appearance sets and I believe things would be much better if only those were combined with the 'full' inventory system from origins.

[drvaughn1999]

There was nothing about DA2 that I loved, somethings I can tolerate, but I like Origins style 1000 fold to what DA2 brings to the table.

Modifié par drvaughn1999, 22 avril 2011 - 03:06 .

[slimgrin]

ManiacalEvil wrote...

Am I the only one afraid that the nostalgia backlash this game received will make BioWare games become less actiony in the future?

This sentence speaks volumes about the op.

[drvaughn1999]

Alistairlover94 wrote...

drvaughn1999 wrote...

There was nothing about DA2 that I loved, somethings I can tolerate, but I like Origins style 1000 fold to what DA2 brings to the table.

Do you honestly prefer "Morrigan disapproves -5", to the friendship/rivalry system? Because I thought that certainly was an improvement.

That is one of the things I could tolerate.

[drvaughn1999]

Alistairlover94 wrote...

drvaughn1999 wrote...

Alistairlover94 wrote...

drvaughn1999 wrote...

There was nothing about DA2 that I loved, somethings I can tolerate, but I like Origins style 1000 fold to what DA2 brings to the table.

Do you honestly prefer "Morrigan disapproves -5", to the friendship/rivalry system? Because I thought that certainly was an improvement.

That is one of the things I could tolerate.

Alrighty! Can't honestly say anything else is an improvement, except for that.

Pretty much thats it.

You could call me a "hater", I really disliked DA2, it was a waste of my money

Modifié par drvaughn1999, 22 avril 2011 - 06:15 .

[Teredan]

Melness wrote...

For an instance, I like custom bodies for every character and assorted appearance sets and I believe things would be much better if only those were combined with the 'full' inventory system from origins.

Yeah I agree, I also can't understand whats so hard about it to do it.

In oblivion and morrowind your hero could be one of several distinct races which all add a different distinct body structure. Yet they all could wear the dozen of armors that were in the game.
A less optimal example would be almost every mmo these days. The technology should be there(I mean they're building a freaking MMO too) to have distinct body types + free equipment control.

Modifié par Teredan, 22 avril 2011 - 03:45 .

[Siansonea]

Actiony? Is that a word?

[Siansonea]

I think BioWare would be foolish not to take all feedback from Dragon Age 2 into consideration when planning Dragon Age 3. It was certainly a polarizing game, and there are a number of ways they could make changes to satisfy both of the factions of customers, although I would say that trying to lure back Origins fans who hated DA2 might be more difficult than trying to satisfy customers who were mostly satisfied with DA2. They might not see it as possible, and therefore not worth an extreme effort to attempt it.

[TheJist]

Alistairlover94 wrote...

drvaughn1999 wrote...

There was nothing about DA2 that I loved, somethings I can tolerate, but I like Origins style 1000 fold to what DA2 brings to the table.

Do you honestly prefer "Morrigan disapproves -5", to the friendship/rivalry system? Because I thought that certainly was an improvement.

I honestly think this was one of the most detrimental parts of the "improvements" people don't keep being buds and follow you around if you do stuff they hate or violate their core beliefs I owuld much rather that they leave you or even try to kill you if you get on their bad side.

[Kastagir]

One can only hope that Bioware takes some wisdom out of this experience, but for all intents and purposes, the Dragon Age franchise is dead. From following these forums I estimate that 25% of the fanbase will buy anything Bioware makes; another 10 percent liked DA2 more than DA:O; the rest - including DA:O core fans and long-time Bioware game players feel sufficiently alienated that they are not likely to return to play further Dragon Age titles (or any Bioware game). At the very least, the majority of players will not pre-order/pre-purchase such a game. EA (and now Bioware) have made pre-orders the focus of their sales forecasts, so without them, they will have to rely on a fully developed, polished title to be successful, and that doesn't seem very likely given the current state of affairs as understood by the EA-Biioware arrangement.

This is like looking at a bad car accident, people. I understand how it grabbed your attention, but let's just look the other way. It will sort itself out with or without your scrutiny.

[abaris]

TheJist wrote...

I honestly think this was one of the most detrimental parts of the "improvements" people don't keep being buds and follow you around if you do stuff they hate or violate their core beliefs I owuld much rather that they leave you or even try to kill you if you get on their bad side.

This.

Why would they stay - especially since the new instalment doesn't even have the "save the world" imperative.

[FadiRS]

nope..its all about cost vs benefit. Sure, DA2 is a failure compared to DA0 but perhaps the bottom line will show Bio/EA that it was more profitable and they can produce games faster. I dont think Bio is even going back to it's roots..

[Everwarden]

FadiRS wrote...
nope..its all about cost vs benefit. Sure, DA2 is a failure compared to DA0 but perhaps the bottom line will show Bio/EA that it was more profitable and they can produce games faster. 

Don't be so sure. Dragon Age 3 will have a powerful motivation to -not- buy it, unlike Dragon Age 2 with nearly half a million (a third of the total sales) pre-orders. Another DA2 style game will almost certainly sink like the Titanic without the pre-review customer buy in. 

Sadly, they just cashed in their one and only "..truuuust us, people. Would we sell you crap?" card. Was it worth it? Maybe in the short term. 

[abaris]

FadiRS wrote...


nope..its all about cost vs benefit. Sure, DA2 is a failure compared to DA0 but perhaps the bottom line will show Bio/EA that it was more profitable and they can produce games faster. I dont think Bio is even going back to it's roots..

It may be profitable. It probably is, given the reduced development time. But it also offended a good part of customers, who won't preorder any other Bioware game anytime soon.

So, in the short run, it may be considered a financial success, but what it does to the overall reputation and sales of future games, remains to be seen.

[FadiRS]

abaris wrote...

FadiRS wrote...


nope..its all about cost vs benefit. Sure, DA2 is a failure compared to DA0 but perhaps the bottom line will show Bio/EA that it was more profitable and they can produce games faster. I dont think Bio is even going back to it's roots..

It may be profitable. It probably is, given the reduced development time. But it also offended a good part of customers, who won't preorder any other Bioware game anytime soon.

So, in the short run, it may be considered a financial success, but what it does to the overall reputation and sales of future games, remains to be seen.

yeah im on your guys' side but im middle aged, been gaming since Atari in the 80's and have seen way too many good products and companies 'sell their soul'. Hope im wrong..but we live in a day/age where it's all about instant gratification, fast turn-arounds, assembly line mass production and bottom-line driven decision making.

[Black-Xero]

I certainly hope not.DAII did feel rush with it's lack of a decent narrative(even though it had a great idea),repetitive dungeons and other things most of you already know but the gameplay improvements was amazing to say the least and I would be glad if they kept the same type of gameplay in the third.They just need to improve on the majority of everything else...I still have faith in Bioware.

[Wivvix]

I'm counting on them "going back" to DAO. Bioware needs to find its feet again, and if that means settling for a round 9 out of 10, that's good enough for me. They need to prove to the community and themselves they can do it consecutively. If they have people within their senior team who are bored with making quality games who just want to cash in for an early retirement, I certainly won't be party to it.

More creativity barren stodge like DA2 will not suffice.

[Sabriana]

abaris wrote...

TheJist wrote...

I honestly think this was one of the most detrimental parts of the "improvements" people don't keep being buds and follow you around if you do stuff they hate or violate their core beliefs I owuld much rather that they leave you or even try to kill you if you get on their bad side.

This.

Why would they stay - especially since the new instalment doesn't even have the "save the world" imperative.

I agree. I prefer the approval/disapproval, especially because this is not a situation where it is imperative to stick to someone even if disrespect or dislike are factors.

I'm sorry, but some of the "rival" lines are downright nasty and insulting. There'd be no way in he|| that I'd stay on with someone who treated me and my opinions/life philosophies/experiences like this. Especially if it is not absolutely imparative to stay on.

Perhaps a three-way (no pun intended) would be best, but I wouldn't know the first thing about it being possible to implement.

Friend w/same outlook/philosophies: "I agree, we're on the same page"

Friend w different outlook/philosophies: "I disagree, but I respect your opinion and trust your judgement"

Enemy: "I resent your treatment, and I don't trust you at all. I'm outta here."

[Night Prowler76]

I can see their pre-orders being cut in half at the very least, if there is a DA3, if the game comes out in less than 2 years not too many people will buy it, except the remaining sheep.

[Tantum Dic Verbo]

Siansonea II wrote...

Actiony? Is that a word?

It is now.  Not sure if or when I'll get around to DA2, but I've certainly heard a great deal about its perceived flaws.  Of course, I also have a long list of personal perceived flaws with DA:O, too.  I guess I'll start with hoping that DA3 has some of the craftsmanship previously associated with Bioware.  There are some things I'm fairly certain will move in directions I don't prefer, but I like some of the design concepts in the series.

Bottom line is that I know they won't be custom-tailoring a game directly to my tastes.  All I can hope for is that they make a game with cohesive design and that it isn't rushed so badly. 

[element eater]

ManiacalEvil wrote...

I am afraid the reviews will make DA3 have combat like DA:O which I found boring and unreallistically slow, and return to unvoiced and list dialogue, instead of wheeled and voiced. Anyone else feels like this?

no this would make me happy