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JE was reviewed very well, actually. Ratings were not the issue. It even sold decently just not the usual BIO numbers.


Yeah, DA2 "sold decently" too.  And even then, on the backbones of DA:O.




DA2 is making a profit. It was relatively cheap to make, and sold 1mil+ in less than 2 weeks. The game is profitable.


Profitable? Maybe more along the lines of broke even... maybe.  But if you think rushed, cheap, poorly made games that can profit off of nickels and dimes is a good thing that tells me something about you.

DA2 didn't sell 1mil+ IN TWO WEEKS, much less within 2 weeks. 2 week sales were 933K across all platforms (close, but not close enough).  And what sales it has it earned on the merits of its predecessor's success fueling pre-orders. Fat chance that tactic is going to work for DA3.
It's funny because DA:O had better week 7 sales than DA2's week 2 sales.Image IPB 




The docs are still in charge of BIO along with the EA board of directors which the docs are sitting on.


Who are these "docs"? The Department of Child Safety?




Laidlaw may not have been THE LD on DA1 but he was A LD on DA1. This is undisputable fact.

 
I'm disputing it; therefore, it's disputiable. Just one more thing you're wrong about. Laidlaw ported it to consoles. That is it. He didn't design anything because the game was already finished. He put the little button icons on the bottom of consoler's screens. Maybe that's when he got the awesome button idea. 

You can no more have two lead designers than you can have two presidents holding office simultaneously. Sure, you could give a guy a title, but only one man is making the final decsions. You're getting desperate (downright lying) to claim Laidlaw was the LD for DA1. Brent Knowles was the LD, alpha male, the Boss, the head Honcho, the King, if you must, of DA:O developement and he quit rather than work on subpar junk. I want to shake that man's hand.




Even if another DA title is never release I still win. Even if BIO folds up I still win. I bought a game and I enjoyed it. That's winning. Plenty of other games out there. I survived 15 years playing games w/o BIo exisiting, and I've played plenty of non BIO games I've enjoyed so no worries at all for me. *shrug*


Within the context of this thread that is pure Losing. You would not be participating in this conversation in Laidlaw's [shoddy] defense if you actually thought that.

Is that an admission of defeat? Is this how prideful people concede defeat since their egos are too big to admit it like a man?

You guys are claiming that EA spent a billion dolalrs hoping BIO would fail. And, then spent another 200mil hopeing SW MMO would fail. You guys know nothing about EA's motives.

LMAO


No, I believe they spent alot of money hoping that Bioware would sprinkle some RPG awesome sauce they've been known for on an MMO that can compete with WOW. A successful MMOs is where the real money is at. Anything else is just icing on the cake.

It worked for the beginner island in Age of Conan. Imagine an entire game that played like that based in the SW universe. Heavy risk...

Modifié par Darkhour, 23 avril 2011 - 07:12 .


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"You can only have one Lead Developer on a project."

The person whow rote that deemed it 'impossible' to have one LD on a project. Many game products have more than one LD for various reasons.


Okay, but I didn't write that. If you're going to discuss/debate atleast quote properly and refer properly on who you are directing, for you attacked me for no reason other than your problem of not being able to argue properly.

On the issue of quoting, there's a quote button.

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I don't tend to help ignorance. If you actually care to know do some research.

HINT: It's been posted on this very site.

"Okay, but I didn't write that. If you're going to discuss/debate atleast quote properly and refer properly on who you are directing, for you attacked me for no reason other than your problem of not being able to argue properly."

What are you talking about? I quoted properly. If you didn't post what I quoted why did you respond to it> If you knew you didn't write it then you obviously shoudl have known that the response to the quote wasn't directed at you. Where's your common sense?

I'm sure the person I quoted is aware that he (or she) posted it. *shrug*

Modifié par Volourn, 23 avril 2011 - 07:11 .


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Volourn wrote...

I don't tend to help ignorance. If you actually care to know do some research.

HINT: It's been posted on this very site.


Really!? I dont believe your claims and if you cant back it up then your just a windbag.

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Looks like quoting is as hard as backing up own arguments that should be "solid facts" ...

Volourn wrote...
What are you talking about? I quoted properly.


Ok I have to ask again, do you understand how the quoting works and what is a purpose of quoting? Either in general or in forums? Because no, you dont quote properly and you never did.

Modifié par DraCZeQQ, 23 avril 2011 - 07:17 .


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Volourn wrote...

Sources about what? If BIO were to fold I would still win? Um.. I'm the soURce for that. L0L

As for the other part, actually read and learn some stuff.


R U TROL N?

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Volourn wrote...

I don't tend to help ignorance. If you actually care to know do some research.

HINT: It's been posted on this very site.

"Okay, but I didn't write that. If you're going to discuss/debate atleast quote properly and refer properly on who you are directing, for you attacked me for no reason other than your problem of not being able to argue properly."

What are you talking about? I quoted properly. If you didn't post what I quoted why did you respond to it> If you knew you didn't write it then you obviously shoudl have known that the response to the quote wasn't directed at you. Where's your common sense?

I'm sure the person I quoted is aware that he (or she) posted it. *shrug*



My first post in this thread was going on your statement that  Mike Laidlaw was a Lead Designer in DA:O. At the time I thought this false and decided to prove you wrong.

You then posted a rebuttal which consisted me "being authoritative and demanding BioWare having only one Lead Designer in their games", which of course I never stated.

And no you are not quoting properly. You are using quotation marks but you are not specifically addressing where the quote came from, at best people can only infer that you just posted a statement with pointless quotation marks.

This is why there is a quote button, you should use it.

But if you must continue doing your custom quotes atleast refer the person who the quote coems from, example being:

"Hi I like pie" -Anathemic

not

"Hi I like pie"

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Volourn wrote...

Huh? I'm trying to prove he was a LD on DA1 and prove it I did.


DA:O for PC was finished in Feb. 2009 and was planned to launch in March. But EA didn't want to do two seperate marketing campaigns for the same game.

Laidlaw worked only on the console version.

You proved nothing as he had to work with what Brent had finished already.

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"R U TROL N?"

No.


"Really!? I dont believe your claims and if you cant back it up then your just a windbag."

I can guarantee you that I'll be sleeping soundly despite the fact you don't believe me.


"You then posted a rebuttal which consisted me "being authoritative and demanding BioWare having only one Lead Designer in their games", which of course I never stated."

The first quote was yours the second one wasn't so my response to the first quote was directed at you the second one obviously wasn't.. It's not rocket science.


"DA2 didn't sell 1mil+ IN TWO WEEKS, much less within 2 weeks. 2 week sales were 933K across all platforms (close, but not close enough)."

yes, it did. Your soource is inaccurate. The true source is a lot more accurate.


"I'm disputing it; therefore, it's disputiable. Just one more thing you're wrong about. Laidlaw ported it to consoles. That is it. He didn't design anything because the game was already finished. He put the little button icons on the bottom of consoler's screens. Maybe that's when he got the awesome button idea."

Laidlaw was a LD on DA1. This is fact. BIO says he is and their word is law on this matter. There were 3 LD. deal with it.


"You can no more have two lead designers than you can have two presidents holding office simultaneously. Sure, you could give a guy a title, but only one man is making the final decsions. You're getting desperate (downright lying) to claim Laidlaw was the LD for DA1. Brent Knowles was the LD, alpha male, the Boss, the head Honcho, the King, if you must, of DA:O developement and he quit rather than work on subpar junk. I want to shake that man's hand."

Wrong. Knowles was the boss of crap. The docs and their EA cohorts are the bosses.


"Who are these "docs"? "

Hope this is your lame attempt at being funny b/c you need to know who the dcos are. Since, they were Laidlaw and Knowles' bosses when theyw ere LD on DA1. Without the dcos there would be no BIO. Period.

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Volourn wrote...
 for you attacked me for no reason other than...

DA2 is making a profit. It was relatively cheap to make, and sold 1mil+ in less than 2 weeks. The game is profitable..

Your funny dude, I didnt attack you. I just
  • dont believe DAII is profitable
  • I am not sure how much it cost to make DAII
  • I dont think that it sold more than 1 mill copies in two weeks.
The fact that they had to bundle ME2, plus lower the price in some cases,  with DAII says to me its not selling well and its not very profitable. However, I am sure compared to DA O it was "relatively cheap to make" but again who really knows how much it cost to make?

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Volourn wrote...

"You then posted a rebuttal which consisted me "being authoritative and demanding BioWare having only one Lead Designer in their games", which of course I never stated."

The first quote was yours the second one wasn't so my response to the first quote was directed at you the second one obviously wasn't.. It's not rocket science.


It is hard to distinguish if you're not giving the source of where the quote came from, please quote properly. Again if you don't give the source of where the specific quote came from people can only infer that you are just selecting random statement to put pointless quotation marks.

Again I will show you an example of quoting:

"I like pie" -Anathemic  <------ CORRECT

"I like pie" <------- INCORRECT, whose the person who likes pie? No one know because the person who stated the quote, this being Anathemic, is not adressed. So the only thing that can be inferred is that you yourself like the pie, but that wasn't your intent, so please adress people in your quotes or just use the quote button.

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I did not even bother with DA2. As soon as I read it had ME style combat that was enough. I love ME & ME2, they are different from DA. I loved DA:O as it was different from ME. WHy Bioware felt they had to give us the same games in two different packages is beyond me.
So unless DA goes back to DA:O playstyle the series is dead, and I'll stick to ME.

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It shoudln't matter who likes the pie. I don't care if Anatehmic said something just that somebody said. Just like it shouldn't matter if I say soemthing. I'm just an unimportant internet loser. I'm irrelevant. The topic/issue is what matter.

P.S. DA2 is selling guys. It sold a mil+ in less than 2 weeks and if youa re gonna keep squaking about vgchartz it is showing you that the so called 'ME2 deal' is irrelevant since most of DA2 sales came BEFORE said deal. L0L

Not that I believe vgchartz anyways b/c it is a joke. Other sources like NPD and BIO/EA are more likely to be accurate.

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Lonarandir wrote...

I did not even bother with DA2. As soon as I read it had ME style combat that was enough.


If it only had ME style combat. It has monkey being high on speed style combat coupled with highly explosive enemies and teleporting suicide squads.

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Volourn wrote...

Not that I believe vgchartz anyways b/c it is a joke. Other sources like NPD and BIO/EA are more likely to be accurate.


You honestly just said the NPD is more accurate? LOL. They don't count digital sales, they don't count any sales outside of the US and they only count a select few of the major retailers in the US.

This is why they have a new policy that makes releasing the actual sale numbers no longer allowed on sites like IGN.

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"You honestly just said the NPD is more accurate? LOL. They don't count digital sales, they don't count any sales outside of the US and they only count a select few of the major retailers in the US.

This is why they have a new policy that makes releasing the actual sale numbers no longer allowed on sites like IGN."

More accurate than vgchartz, yes.

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Volourn wrote...

Huh? I'm trying to prove he was a LD on DA1 and prove it I did.



No, you keep repeating it so as to imply that the same person had a large influence on both games.  You think you've established something, but you haven't, you've only repeated ad naseum a hollow factoid that no one is disputing. 

The problem for what you're implying is, is that he was there to lead the xbox port, not exercise any creative control.

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He was aLD on DA1. No matter hwo much youa rgue this, the fact remains that he was a LD on DA1.

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The sales numbers for DA2 look a lot like the sales numbers for disappointing sequals to well-liked games, books, movies, etc -- lots of pre-order, strong numbers at release, quick drop-off.

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Volourn wrote...

He was aLD on DA1. No matter hwo much youa rgue this, the fact remains that he was a LD on DA1.


Who is arguing that?  No one here is arguing with that.  You can repeat yourself until you're blue in the face, while we all just sit here and not politely at you. 

The problem is, it doesn't mean what you think or claim it means. 

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Volourn wrote...

Darkhour wrote...

"R U TROL N?"


No.


O RLY?

yes, it did. Your soource is inaccurate. The true source is a lot more accurate.

Laidlaw was a LD on DA1. This is fact. BIO says he is and their word is law on this matter. There were 3 LD. deal with it.

Wrong. Knowles was the boss of crap. The docs and their EA cohorts are the bosses.


1. What is the "The True Source"? Image IPB Did you hear a voice telling you or was it an angelic visitation that iinformed you of the one true source?
2. How does one lead the design of a completed game? Image IPB Is it in the same way I invented gravity?
3. Since when do these "docs"(whatever the hell that stands for) and EA execs design games?Image IPB Seeing that Knowles quit rather than make a crappy game I feel pretty confiodent that he was The Boss of DA:O. I hear he tends to resign when he isn't The Boss.

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Volourn wrote...

Just like it shouldn't matter if I say soemthing. I'm just an unimportant internet loser. I'm irrelevant.


Yea this is UNDISPUTABLE fact ... I'm glad we can finall agree on something :wizard:

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Darkhour wrote...
2. How does one lead the design of a completed game? Image IPB Is it in the same way I invented gravity?


He's just repeating the fact that Laidlaw got an LD credit on DA:O, as if to imply that Laidlaw had a guiding hand in the creative work that went into DA:O -- when, as is implied in your post, Laidlaw was brought in to handle one of the ports of a finished game.

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"1. What is the "The True Source"? Did you hear a voice telling you or was it an angelic visitation that iinformed you of the one true source?"

Do a search.


"2. How does one lead the design of a completed game? Is it in the same way I invented gravity?"

DA1 wasn't completed.



"3. Since when do these "docs"(whatever the hell that stands for) and EA execs design games? Seeing that Knowles quit rather than make a crappy game I feel pretty confiodent that he was The Boss of DA:O. I hear he tends to resign when he isn't The Boss."

the docs are the bosses. They founded BIO. They decide what the overall deisgn goals for each game they are. They decide what projects BIO does. They decide who theya re. they decide who gets fired. they decided who the LD(s) are. they decided to partner up with another comapny then to the sell to EA and decied to take positions on the EA Board of Directors who now control BIO's fate.

Theya re BIO. They are the Omegas. Theya re the big cahunas. No Docs. No BIO. Period.

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Volourn wrote...

"1. What is the "The True Source"? Did you hear a voice telling you or was it an angelic visitation that iinformed you of the one true source?"

Do a search.


Its your argument, so its your job to back it up ...

Volourn wrote...

"2. How does one lead the design of a completed game? Is it in the same way I invented gravity?"

DA1 wasn't completed.


Can you prove that DA1 wasn't completed? Please link to a relevant source of your "fact".