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[Dragoonlordz]

Persephone wrote...

(One Origins decision that comes to mind is "Let's go to the Circle & fetch the mages & leave a demon at large. Nothing could happen, right?". The immersion was ruined by that lack of realistic pressure. And that you could be gone for months & no consequences happening, even though Teagan urges you to return ASAP. There I would like a combo of that and the decision model in Origins.

You say that but I was more torn by the making a descision with that specific one you highlighted than any in DA2. It was more "Do I risk it, if I leave will he rampage and kill everytime, is there enough time, should I just sacrifice someone here just in case." In DA2 I felt torn decision wise about nothing. The closest DA2 came was "Who do I take on Deep Roads". Thats all.

Even the supposed choice about Anders in A2, screw him I'd lop off his head in a second because he wasn't the Anders from DAO that I had got to know and he wasn't even in the slighest bit likable to me in DA2... There was no choice that mde me "ooh, ahhh, ummm" about it for me.

Modifié par Dragoonlordz, 20 avril 2011 - 07:13 .

[Melca36]

ManiacalEvil wrote...

Persephone wrote...

Melca36 wrote...

Persephone wrote...

Would I want them to go back to Origins completely? No. (I won't be sorry to see the Approval system, gift spamming, grinding dungeons etc. go FOREVER)

But there are some things I DO want back: Less repetetive enviroments & more locations. Isometric camera. Length. Fully equippable companions. More varied plot branches.

Things I want them to keep: Rivalry/Friendship system and Friendship & Rivalmances, Hero developing a personality & thus unlocking different dialogue options & solutions, realistic influence on people (No more God like decisions), the exquisite banter, art style for the elves & qunari (Who now actually LOOK like different races) Fast paced combat system but improvements ARE necessary. Voiced protagonist.

Improvements I would like: Weather & season effects, locations and people changing as time passes, no more exploding bodies but unique animations depending on the skill applied

Some of the issues were fixed by mods (Equipping companions, exploding bodies).

I definitely agree.

My sister misses being able to customize.

If we cant do that...how about color changes???   Fenris would look great in Black and silver!!

Season effects would be nice too.

Combat should be  should be somewhere in the middle.

Good points, Melca.

There is a Mod on Nexus that offers differently colored versions of the armor each companion wears. And if you want total freedom, the Mod "Equip your companions" allows you to dress them in anything. (Careful with Fenris & Merrill though, as not every armor has an elven model. I use it in combination with the recolored armors where you get differently specced & recolored armors for them rather than upgrades. You can switch between them. Great addition to immersion!)

That seems immersion breaking to me. How the hell do you get to dress Fenris now? Has he become your slave?

. Not EVERYONE plays like you do..

We all have different styles of playing.  

[Zjarcal]

Melca36 wrote...

Zjarcal wrote...

They didn't let the glowing Origins reviews stop them from changing things, so why would they cave because the reviews are polarized now?

I hope they DON'T go back to the older style by the way.

I don't want them to go totally back but they need to learn you can't pander to one fanbase.

There needs to be a balance to appeal to everybody. They would sell MORE games that way.

I wouldn't mind some things of Origins being brought back. I would like a little more freedom regarding companion inventory (having more unique armors to choose from or being able to completely alter the stats of their unique armor). I also would love to have the isometric camera back.

But as I've said before, my quibbles with DA2 are about lack of polish (bugs, rehasehd environments, a rushed soundtrack, and rushed ending to the story), rather than the main design.

Still, I loved Origins (and I still do), so I wouldn't mind to have a hybrid of the two.

Although chief amongst things, so long as they don't go back to a silent protagonist... I'm happy. 

[AkiKishi]

Persephone wrote...
Huh?

If I'm the leader of a party and come across a better piece of equipment, I'll either use it myself or give it to my companions. You know, to increase their chances of survival.

Even as far back as BG companions had items you could not remove.For example, Boo. It did not stop you upgrading their equipment only removing it.
Merrile got a new outfit when I had sex with her... Why I don't know. Otherwise everyone wore the same stuff for 10 years with the exception of Aveline.

Modifié par BobSmith101, 20 avril 2011 - 07:09 .

[Rockpopple]

Persephone. Stop feeding the troll.

[PlumPaul93]

Persephone wrote...

Would I want them to go back to Origins completely? No. (I won't be sorry to see the Approval system, gift spamming, grinding dungeons etc. go FOREVER)

But there are some things I DO want back: Less repetetive enviroments & more locations. Isometric camera. Length. Fully equippable companions. More varied plot branches.

Things I want them to keep: Rivalry/Friendship system and Friendship & Rivalmances, Hero developing a personality & thus unlocking different dialogue options & solutions, realistic influence on people (No more God like decisions), the exquisite banter, art style for the elves & qunari (Who now actually LOOK like different races) Fast paced combat system but improvements ARE necessary. Voiced protagonist.

Improvements I would like: Weather & season effects, locations and people changing as time passes, no more exploding bodies but unique animations depending on the skill applied

Some of the issues were fixed by mods (Equipping companions, exploding bodies).

I'd agree with most of this although I don't want to be able to give companions different armor. One of the things DA2 did right was give them specific armor that sometimes changed and could be upgraded. Not to mention making your companions naked isn't right...

[Persephone]

Sabriana wrote...

Whatever the thread starter had in mind, it still resolved into a calm discussion (so far). There is actually a way to discuss differences

Take Persephone and myself for example. I think DA 2 is mediocre. She thinks it's great. Our differences in opinion doesn't affect our interaction (sans the Allistair thing, *grin*).

I appreciate her point of view, she appreciates mine. Even though they are on the opposite sites of the issue. Does she go overboard? Yes she does. But if something I liked with a passion was attacked at every turn, I might act that way too. But I will never, ever doubt that she loves DA:O. It's the nature of the beast that makes us react. She loves DA 2, and I think it's merely "meh". But we still can be civil with each other.

I respect the reasonable arguments that those who enjoy DA 2 have. In turn, I would like for them to respect my laments. Attack the argument not the person. That's the rule # 1 in any debate.

Aside from that, I love the Sacher Torte that the Östereicher can serve up at any time.

Edited because spelling is an art form

As an Austrian, I am utterly thrilled to read this. And you make some excellent points. And I'll admit to going overboard sometimes. I just feel like *Rock* Me *Hard place* sometimes. But darn it, I do love DAO. And Alistair! 

[Sabriana]

rak72 wrote...

It would be AWESOME if they went back to the DAO style. I wish I could press a button & make it so, but the button was a lie.

You have been cracking me up for quite some time. I like your style.

[Rockpopple]

If making your companions naked is wrong, I don't want to be right.

[rak72]

Sabriana wrote...

rak72 wrote...

It would be AWESOME if they went back to the DAO style. I wish I could press a button & make it so, but the button was a lie.

You have been cracking me up for quite some time. I like your style.

Hehe, same here:D

[ManiacalEvil]

I am making my leave guys. i always find it funny when the trolls say the people who try to have a nice conversation are trolling. Congrats, you made me leave this forum. NO wonder nobody supports DA2 here, the trolls just make them disappear. Like you did here.

[AkiKishi]

PlumPaul82393 wrote...
I'd agree with most of this although I don't want to be able to give companions different armor. One of the things DA2 did right was give them specific armor that sometimes changed and could be upgraded. Not to mention making your companions naked isn't right...

Have you ever compared their armour rating to Hawke ? It's a joke.

What someone does in their game does not really bother me. If someone gets their jollies making Morrigan and Lelianna run around in underwear it does not change my game in any way.

[Kendaric Varkellen]

ManiacalEvil wrote...

This game is not as well rated as the previous game, I think we can all conclude that. Am I the only one afraid that the nostalgia backlash this game received will make BioWare games become less actiony in the future? I immensely enjoyed DA2 and I'd go as far as to classify it as one of my top 5 games (Origins didn't make it, a bit too boring and slow). I really enjoy how actiony yet tactical the combat was, how deep the characters were (being able to talk to your family really made those characters awesome)

I am afraid the reviews will make DA3 have combat like DA:O which I found boring and unreallistically slow, and return to unvoiced and list dialogue, instead of wheeled and voiced. Anyone else feels like this?

EDITED to remove spoilers.

I sure hope they'll go back to Origins style with DA III. The combat in DA II was too fast to be fun for me and looked utterly horrible with those flashy anime-style animations.
If I want an action game, I'll go and buy something like Diablo, Assassin's Creed, God of War, etc. but certainly not a RPG.

[Persephone]

Dragoonlordz wrote...

Persephone wrote...

(One Origins decision that comes to mind is "Let's go to the Circle & fetch the mages & leave a demon at large. Nothing could happen, right?". The immersion was ruined by that lack of realistic pressure. And that you could be gone for months & no consequences happening, even though Teagan urges you to return ASAP. There I would like a combo of that and the decision model in Origins.

You say that but I was more torn by the making a descision with that specific one you highlighted than any in DA2. It was more "Do I risk it, if I leave will he rampage and kill everytime, is there enough time, should I just sacrifice someone here just in case." In DA2 I felt torn decision wise about nothing. The closest DA2 came was "Who do I take on Deep Roads". Thats all.

I felt as you did until I discovered there were no consequences by taking the risk, even though it was hinted at. Oh, I felt pretty torn about many decisions in DAII. I.E. Feynriel. But I cannot really spoil it more than that.

[Rockpopple]

@ Bob - it might be a glitch, but in a game I had with a Mage, my companions had twice as much of an armor rating than my Mage in Champion Armor. When I saw that I thought something had to be wrong. I'm talking 3-400 armor rating here, for Isabella.

[PlumPaul93]

BobSmith101 wrote...

PlumPaul82393 wrote...
I'd agree with most of this although I don't want to be able to give companions different armor. One of the things DA2 did right was give them specific armor that sometimes changed and could be upgraded. Not to mention making your companions naked isn't right...

Have you ever compared their armour rating to Hawke ? It's a joke.

What someone does in their game does not really bother me. If someone gets their jollies making Morrigan and Lelianna run around in underwear it does not change my game in any way.

well being able to make wynne naked is exactly the reason it's wrong. Even if you don't do it the fact that it is possible is somewhat creepy.

[Foolsfolly]

Dragoonlordz wrote...

Foolsfolly wrote...

As funny as that is, I don't think it's factual.

I feel there's far more quests in DA:O than there are in DA2.

Someone has to have the number of quests per game. I'd say Origins easily had over a 100 quests. I can't think DA2 has more than 80. In fact, 60-70 feels about right. Someone has to have numbers.

From the wikis I counted around 120 in DAO (Most were board, chantry, irregulars etc type) and in DA2 I counted around 130 (most of which were fetch.. No correction, 'collection' quests). However those were rough estimates and the wiki for DA2 was still in progress.

Really?

Wow. Maybe it's just the feeling of variety then. But that is surprising to me. Thanks.

Persephone wrote...

What I meant was that I like that sometimes, no matter what you say or
do, people will still do what they want. It felt realistic not being to
stop and fix everything and be swept away by fate & circumstances.
(One Origins decision that comes to mind is "Let's go to the Circle
& fetch the mages & leave a demon at large. Nothing could
happen, right?". The immersion was ruined by that lack of realistic
pressure. And that you could be gone for months & no consequences
happening, even though Teagan urges you to return ASAP. There I would
like a combo of that and the decision model in Origins.

AH. Yeah, I especially liked how the companions had their own agendas regardless of Hawke's opinions. Merrill, Isabela, and Anders all do certain things that the player can disapprove of but it's all firmly within their characterization. Nothing about it is out of character.

Yeah. I enjoyed that too then. Thanks for the clarification.

[Dragoonlordz]

PlumPaul82393 wrote...

I'd agree with most of this although I don't want to be able to give companions different armor. One of the things DA2 did right was give them specific armor that sometimes changed and could be upgraded. Not to mention making your companions naked isn't right...

Just because you don't want too, doesn't mean you should strip the ability for others who do want too. Noone put a gun to your head and told you to change their outfits. Nothing beats laying the smackdown on Loghain while he's all armoured up and great big sword and your naked and slapping him and still kick his butt for betraying the King.

Modifié par Dragoonlordz, 20 avril 2011 - 07:17 .

[Persephone]

ManiacalEvil wrote...

I am making my leave guys. i always find it funny when the trolls say the people who try to have a nice conversation are trolling. Congrats, you made me leave this forum. NO wonder nobody supports DA2 here, the trolls just make them disappear. Like you did here.

Hey, I am supporting DAII a lot. (Some would say too much) But one must try to accept opinions on both sides of the fence. I know that's hard and I've been frustrated about it too. But we should make the effort. It's worth it.

[Brenus]

PlumPaul82393 wrote...

Persephone wrote...

Would I want them to go back to Origins completely? No. (I won't be sorry to see the Approval system, gift spamming, grinding dungeons etc. go FOREVER)

But there are some things I DO want back: Less repetetive enviroments & more locations. Isometric camera. Length. Fully equippable companions. More varied plot branches.

Things I want them to keep: Rivalry/Friendship system and Friendship & Rivalmances, Hero developing a personality & thus unlocking different dialogue options & solutions, realistic influence on people (No more God like decisions), the exquisite banter, art style for the elves & qunari (Who now actually LOOK like different races) Fast paced combat system but improvements ARE necessary. Voiced protagonist.

Improvements I would like: Weather & season effects, locations and people changing as time passes, no more exploding bodies but unique animations depending on the skill applied

Some of the issues were fixed by mods (Equipping companions, exploding bodies).

I'd agree with most of this although I don't want to be able to give companions different armor. One of the things DA2 did right was give them specific armor that sometimes changed and could be upgraded. Not to mention making your companions naked isn't right...

Making your companions naked in a game where you end up shagging all of them anyway isnt right?

LOL?

[AkiKishi]

Rockpopple wrote...

@ Bob - it might be a glitch, but in a game I had with a Mage, my companions had twice as much of an armor rating than my Mage in Champion Armor. When I saw that I thought something had to be wrong. I'm talking 3-400 armor rating here, for Isabella.

There are a couple of armour glitches relating to armour increasing items. Most notably every time you swap Avelines shield.

[Brenus]

PlumPaul82393 wrote...

BobSmith101 wrote...

PlumPaul82393 wrote...
I'd agree with most of this although I don't want to be able to give companions different armor. One of the things DA2 did right was give them specific armor that sometimes changed and could be upgraded. Not to mention making your companions naked isn't right...

Have you ever compared their armour rating to Hawke ? It's a joke.

What someone does in their game does not really bother me. If someone gets their jollies making Morrigan and Lelianna run around in underwear it does not change my game in any way.

well being able to make wynne naked is exactly the reason it's wrong. Even if you don't do it the fact that it is possible is somewhat creepy.

You can always install the mod that makes Wynne younger if you find her creepy.

If you dislike nudity so much, then why are you playing an 18+ rated game which has sex scenes?

Modifié par Brenus, 20 avril 2011 - 07:18 .

[Dracotamer]

That's exactly what I am hoping for and how it should be. The thing stripped away really make the game no longer a true RPG and they could have made an option for those who did want all those great things.

[Persephone]

Dragoonlordz wrote...

PlumPaul82393 wrote...

I'd agree with most of this although I don't want to be able to give companions different armor. One of the things DA2 did right was give them specific armor that sometimes changed and could be upgraded. Not to mention making your companions naked isn't right...

Just because you don't want too, doesn't mean you should strip the ability for others who do want too. Noone put a gun to your head and told you to change their outfits. Nothing beats laying the smackdown on Loghain while he's all armoured up and great big sword and your naked and slapping him and still kick his butt for betraying the King.

I actually would have liked to salute him for doing it. Esp. after RTO. Gawd, glorious Cailan....*gnashes teeth*

[PlumPaul93]

Brenus wrote...

PlumPaul82393 wrote...

Persephone wrote...

Would I want them to go back to Origins completely? No. (I won't be sorry to see the Approval system, gift spamming, grinding dungeons etc. go FOREVER)

But there are some things I DO want back: Less repetetive enviroments & more locations. Isometric camera. Length. Fully equippable companions. More varied plot branches.

Things I want them to keep: Rivalry/Friendship system and Friendship & Rivalmances, Hero developing a personality & thus unlocking different dialogue options & solutions, realistic influence on people (No more God like decisions), the exquisite banter, art style for the elves & qunari (Who now actually LOOK like different races) Fast paced combat system but improvements ARE necessary. Voiced protagonist.

Improvements I would like: Weather & season effects, locations and people changing as time passes, no more exploding bodies but unique animations depending on the skill applied

Some of the issues were fixed by mods (Equipping companions, exploding bodies).

I'd agree with most of this although I don't want to be able to give companions different armor. One of the things DA2 did right was give them specific armor that sometimes changed and could be upgraded. Not to mention making your companions naked isn't right...

Making your companions naked in a game where you end up shagging all of them anyway isnt right?

LOL?

so it's right to have them be naked all the time even though it adds nothing to the gameplay and makes absolutely no since?

LOL?

Modifié par PlumPaul82393, 20 avril 2011 - 07:20 .