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[Volourn]

Bad fanfic that has a betetr story and better characters than the original? That's a first.

[Foolsfolly]

possibly although supposedly it greatly impacts the events to come in DA3 (I don't buy it but whatever). You could call it a filler game but that's just my opinion.

I believe it will have a big impact in DA3.

.....because you can't not have the same ending and nothing is resolved. There's no "I have to take into account the player did X" when they do DA3. All endings are the same and the stage is set for an interesting story.

But at the same time, it feels like DA2 could have been the first act of a larger story. You know if you cut out all the filler quests and focused on telling a story instead of setting up a future story.

[Rockpopple]

PlumPaul82393 wrote...

Rockpopple wrote...

Except, Paul, I wasn't the ones claiming they have not seen a single troll in this thread. And what does being a fanboy have to do with anything? How am I fanboy for pointing out a particularly nasty thing a troll said.... because it happened to be from someone who hated the game?

Oi. Seriously....

yep you completely disregarded that there are trolls on both sides by only mentioning something someone who hates the game said

...

I automatically disregarded the simple fact that there are trolls on both sides by pointing out the examples of one troll.

I'm not even gonna bother with it. You want to take that and run with it like you won one, have at it, hoss.

The utter nonsense that goes around in here... because of a video game, no less.

Modifié par Rockpopple, 20 avril 2011 - 07:52 .

[Killjoy Cutter]

Anyone afraid the bad review might make BioWare go back to Origins style?

Afraid?  No. 

Hopeful.

[Curlain]

RedundantCookie wrote...

PlumPaul82393 wrote...

RedundantCookie wrote...

PlumPaul82393 wrote...

I'm glad to see you forgot to mention some things don't show up or it shows up differently than it actually happened in your import.

There is where I'm hoping fixes will come up before I start playing it! I will be angry if as a Dwarven Noble my righteous vengance on my little brother *Named removed to avoid spoilers* doesn't carry over.

I wouldn't worry about it. For all we know they could disregard any choices we made in the previous games in DA3, I'd just play it and hope for the best.

From the little I've read about Dragon Age 2 (since I try my best to avoid spoilers), I know that DA2 is a bit distanced from the big picture from Dragon Age 1. So I'm hoping Dragon Age 2 becomes some sort of in- between game and that the Third installment actually continues on the first game. 

I can't be too cynical since I haven't played the second one yet, but from the flaws I've read; could it be fair to call it Dragon Age 1.5 (A.K.A Spinoff)?

*Addition* And then, to live my own personal little gaming fantasy, I get to play my Warden in the third Installment... Hehehe!

It plays like a different type of RPG game in the Dragon Age world and can feel like a spinoff, but I I sense DA2 is intended as the lead-up to the events that are going to play out in DA3.

It would be interesting for me to take up my Warden again (my cannon one is still alive and with Morrigan somewhere) however I have a worrying feeling that atm the devs intend to make Hawke the main character in DA3 as well (I really hope not, I personally don't want to be stuck with Hawke again if I buy DA3)

[PlumPaul93]

Rockpopple wrote...

PlumPaul82393 wrote...

Rockpopple wrote...

Except, Paul, I wasn't the ones claiming they have not seen a single troll in this thread. And what does being a fanboy have to do with anything? How am I fanboy for pointing out a particularly nasty thing a troll said.... because it happened to be from someone who hated the game?

Oi. Seriously....

yep you completely disregarded that there are trolls on both sides by only mentioning something someone who hates the game said

...

I automatically disregarded the simple fact that there are trolls on both sides by pointing out the examples of one troll.

I'm not even gonna bother with it. You want to take that and run with it like you won one, have at it, hoss.

The utter nonsense that goes around in here... because of a video game, no less.

I guess you have selective memory right? Only remembering the trolling those who hate the game did. Thanks for the victory now back on topic

[PlumPaul93]

Foolsfolly wrote...

possibly although supposedly it greatly impacts the events to come in DA3 (I don't buy it but whatever). You could call it a filler game but that's just my opinion.

I believe it will have a big impact in DA3.

.....because you can't not have the same ending and nothing is resolved. There's no "I have to take into account the player did X" when they do DA3. All endings are the same and the stage is set for an interesting story.

But at the same time, it feels like DA2 could have been the first act of a larger story. You know if you cut out all the filler quests and focused on telling a story instead of setting up a future story.

true that's one of the reasons I was disappointed with it and consider it filler.

[Stanley Woo]

Let's all please remember to keep the name-calling and personal insults out of the discussion. We can disagree with each other without resorting to childish behaviour. Thank you.

[AppleSoda]

Curlain wrote...

It plays like a different type of RPG game in the Dragon Age world and can feel like a spinoff, but I I sense DA2 is intended as the lead-up to the events that are going to play out in DA3.

It would be interesting for me to take up my Warden again (my cannon one is still alive and with Morrigan somewhere) however I have a worrying feeling that atm the devs intend to make Hawke the main character in DA3 as well (I really hope not, I personally don't want to be stuck with Hawke again if I buy DA3)

What flared up my interest in DA:O was the unique perspective of my Warden's race. Being a Noble Dwarf in the surface after the events that transpired in the Origin Story was like being Alice in Wonderland. 

A dwarf, and a noble no less, made me see the human world through Sereda's eyes like alien and uncanny. It definitely added flavor to the fun factor. Also the uneasy romance with the humans (especially with goofy Alistair), while still longing for her faithful bodyguard Gorim, who gave her the sad surprise that once in the surface he was crippled and now married, gave an extra spice for me.

I'm really not looking up to playing a human in Dragon Age 2, and much less if it carries over to Dragon Age 3... but we'll see. And you are right I doubt they'll return to DA:O's lore or events in Dragon Age 3. The only way I could've seen that as possible is if they had passed it over to DA2, as they did with the Mass Effect titles.

Modifié par RedundantCookie, 20 avril 2011 - 08:01 .

[Foolsfolly]

The lack of a central plot is the single largest flaw of the game. Too much of the game feels like you're just doing quests because there's a quest icon on NPC's heads. There's no goals or motivation for 2/3s of the game.

I've beaten that horse to death. I hope DA3 has a central plot.

[AppleSoda]

Stanley Woo wrote...

Let's all please remember to keep the name-calling and personal insults out of the discussion. We can disagree with each other without resorting to childish behaviour. Thank you.

Love the Bill and Ted quote.

[starscream481]

I'm not afraid they go back to Origins style, I hope and am praying that they do.

[AlexXIV]

ManiacalEvil wrote...

This game is not as well rated as the previous game, I think we can all conclude that. Am I the only one afraid that the nostalgia backlash this game received will make BioWare games become less actiony in the future? I immensely enjoyed DA2 and I'd go as far as to classify it as one of my top 5 games (Origins didn't make it, a bit too boring and slow). I really enjoy how actiony yet tactical the combat was, how deep the characters were (being able to talk to your family really made those characters awesome)

I am afraid the reviews will make DA3 have combat like DA:O which I found boring and unreallistically slow, and return to unvoiced and list dialogue, instead of wheeled and voiced. Anyone else feels like this?

EDITED to remove spoilers.

What does going back to DA:O mean? More choices, deeper story, less fetch quests? Then I'd appreciate it. Though the only problem I had with DA2 was that it was rushed and obviously streamlined. Which resulted in a shorter game and less replay value. I don't really care about the combat much tbh. Bioware rarely ever had great combat. ME2 is sort of an exception maybe.

[AppleSoda]

starscream481 wrote...

I'm not afraid they go back to Origins style, I hope and am praying that they do.

Praying to whom? The Maker? Your Ancestors? Or the game developers?

[Devn LeComte]

starscream481 wrote...

I'm not afraid they go back to Origins style, I hope and am praying that they do.

I really hope you are kidding. After my first playthrough of DA2, I went back to Origins, it was awful, footsteps, boring combat, everything. I don't see what people like in the old version. The only thing I would change is to put more emphasis on dungeon design, and make the battles have more strategic stress placed upon them. I got this game because it was a tactics game, the first game I played through at least 3 times, and the second game is just better. I am a diehard fan of dragon age origins, but DA2 raises the bar for it.

[Volourn]

"Which resulted in a shorter game and less replay value."

DA1 = 59 hours

DA2 = 56 hours

Replay value = equal

[Curlain]

RedundantCookie wrote...

What flared up my interest in DA:O was the unique perspective of my Warden's race. Being a Noble Dwarf in the surface after the events that transpired in the Origin Story was like being Alice in Wonderland. 

A dwarf, and a noble no less, made me see the human world through Sereda's eyes like alien and uncanny. It definitely added flavor to the fun factor. Also the uneasy romance with the humans (especially with goofy Alistair), while still longing for her faithful bodyguard Gorim, who gave her the sad surprise that once in the surface he was crippled and now married, gave an extra spice for me.

I'm really not looking up to playing a human in Dragon Age 2, and much less if it carries over to Dragon Age 3... but we'll see. And you are right I doubt they'll return to DA:O's lore or events in Dragon Age 3. The only way I could've seen that as possible is if they had passed it over to DA2, as they did with the Mass Effect titles.

Agreed, one of the things I hope is put back in DA3 is the ability to choose different races once again, and be able to play out the impact of it in the DA world

[Killjoy Cutter]

Funny, I went back and played DA:O, and it just made the sad contrasts of DA2's failings stand out all the more starkly.

[Devn LeComte]

AlexXIV wrote...

ManiacalEvil wrote...

This game is not as well rated as the previous game, I think we can all conclude that. Am I the only one afraid that the nostalgia backlash this game received will make BioWare games become less actiony in the future? I immensely enjoyed DA2 and I'd go as far as to classify it as one of my top 5 games (Origins didn't make it, a bit too boring and slow). I really enjoy how actiony yet tactical the combat was, how deep the characters were (being able to talk to your family really made those characters awesome)

I am afraid the reviews will make DA3 have combat like DA:O which I found boring and unreallistically slow, and return to unvoiced and list dialogue, instead of wheeled and voiced. Anyone else feels like this?

EDITED to remove spoilers.

What does going back to DA:O mean? More choices, deeper story, less fetch quests? Then I'd appreciate it. Though the only problem I had with DA2 was that it was rushed and obviously streamlined. Which resulted in a shorter game and less replay value. I don't really care about the combat much tbh. Bioware rarely ever had great combat. ME2 is sort of an exception maybe.

Dragon age 2's combat is very fun and entertaining, unique too. I love the transition from boring watching of clunky character's battle out for you, to an interactive battle system. A main problem about DA2 is that I don't see how it is contributing to the storyline. Next game must have a deeper storyline for it to be perfect, because right now it is damn close to being so.

[Killjoy Cutter]

Volourn wrote...

"Which resulted in a shorter game and less replay value."

DA1 = 59 hours

DA2 = 56 hours

Replay value = equal

Since when was replay value determined by the number of hours in a game?

(And there's no way that a single playthrough of DA2 takes 56 hours...)

[starscream481]

RedundantCookie wrote...

Praying to whom? The Maker? Your Ancestors? Or the game developers?

All of the above.

[PlumPaul93]

Volourn wrote...

"Which resulted in a shorter game and less replay value."

DA1 = 59 hours

DA2 = 56 hours

Replay value = equal

[aries1001]

I don't think Bioware will go back to Origins, at least not when it comes to the voiced protagonist and the dialogue wheel (which, btw, I like....). I see games as more of a visual medium for telling a story than anything else. That's why I like it

As for bosses with huge hitpoints have always been a tradition of Bioware's going nack to at least BG2, if not BG1. In BG2, I fought someone called, I think, Sendai? and then there's Abizigail, I think? who changes forms - into a -ahem- Dragon. [I had to cheat to defeat this guy; Sendai I sent packing after having watch a playthrough of her defeat on - youtube]. It seems to be same for this game, DA2, the mobs, the waves, are fairly easy to deal with, and just as you think, they've gone, a boss (second ogre after fleeing kirkwall) appears, this boss is very hard to defeat.

As for the tactical camera, please no, I found it horrible done in DA: Origins, better no camera at all then.
I would rather that the area of effects spells be made separate from the need to target an enemy. I want to able to just click on the ground without having to target a specific enemy in order to cast a AoE spell.

[Dragoonlordz]

RedundantCookie wrote...

starscream481 wrote...

I'm not afraid they go back to Origins style, I hope and am praying that they do.

Praying to whom? The Maker? Your Ancestors? Or the game developers?

All three if it will have any result.

[Volourn]

"Since when was replay value determined by the number of hours in a game?"

You on crack? Read what i quoted. iw as replying to both his length and replay points. Thjey're twe aseperate issues.


"(And there's no way that a single playthrough of DA2 takes 56 hours...) "

Sure, itd oes. Just like it takes 59 hours to complete DA1.

My final game saves don't lie.

Then again, people mad eup fantasies on how DA took 100+ hours and BG2 took 300 hours. LMAO