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[Johnny20]

LobselVith8 wrote...

Johnny20 wrote...

And yet it all went downhill anyway, the demon free, the Keeper dead. Only a fool would conspire with a demon.

You'll have to forgive me if I don't find your opinion very compelling, particularly when Merrill is taking a gambit that could lead to a renaissance for the People.

You keep providing your opinion as though it was the basis for indisputable facts. Nothing you've said so far supports your claims that Merrill is a poor mage or made foolish decisions. Merrill demonstrates an understanding of magic that more than a few have argued to be one of the best among all of the companions.

I'm not saying what I say is true, or right. I'm just saying what I see. Her keeper dead. A demon free, the possibility of her getting stabbed, and her whole clan killed.

Yep, real bright spark, that one...

Not to say she hasn't got good intentions, and isn't a lovely girl. She has, and is. But as others have said, even her clan and keeper wanted he to leave well alone in regards to the Eluvian. Why? Well, read above.

Modifié par Johnny20, 25 avril 2011 - 08:43 .

[TEWR]

And yet it all went downhill anyway, the demon free, the Keeper dead. Only a fool would conspire with a demon.

Yes the demon was free. Because Marethari freed it. Yes the Keeper died, because Marethari was an idiot

If the demon could've freed itself it would have. But it couldn't. It had been there for centuries, so it was trapped

[Johnny20]

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

And yet it all went downhill anyway, the demon free, the Keeper dead. Only a fool would conspire with a demon.

Yes the demon was free. Because Marethari freed it. Yes the Keeper died, because Marethari was an idiot

If the demon could've freed itself it would have. But it couldn't. It had been there for centuries, so it was trapped

And why did she free it?

(PS: I never said Marethari was smart, either. She is just as foolish as Merrill, and 90% of the other mages in Kirkwall, for that matter).

Modifié par Johnny20, 25 avril 2011 - 08:51 .

[LobselVith8]

Johnny20 wrote...

I'm not saying what I say is true or right. I'm just saying what I see.

Marethari freed the demon Audacity, not Merrill. Her whole clan only gets killed if they try to murder Hawke and Merrill in cold blood when they are told the truth about what happened to Marethari. So far all I see is you providing your opinion and acting like it's fact.

As for "read above," I did, and nothing you said swayed me. What I see from Merrill is someone who is willing to risk her life if it means her people have a chance to reclaim their history. I don't see why Marethari's opinion should have persuaded her against trying to help the elven people.

[IanPolaris]

Johnny20 wrote...

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

And yet it all went downhill anyway, the demon free, the Keeper dead. Only a fool would conspire with a demon.

Yes the demon was free. Because Marethari freed it. Yes the Keeper died, because Marethari was an idiot

If the demon could've freed itself it would have. But it couldn't. It had been there for centuries, so it was trapped

And why did she free it?

(PS: I never said Marethari was smart, either. She is just as foolish as Merrill, and 90% of the other mages in Kirkwall, for that matter).

My take?  Merethari freed it because Merthari believed what Audacity told her regarding his plans for the Elluvian at face value without ever considering the possibility that Pride Demons have a tendency to LIE!

-Polaris

[TEWR]

I'm not saying what I say is true, or right. I'm just saying what I see. Her keeper dead. A demon free, the possibility of her getting stabbed, and her whole clan killed.
Yep, real bright spark, that one...
Not to say she hasn't got good intentions, and isn't a lovely girl. She has, and is. But as others have said, even her clan and keeper wanted he to leave well alone in regards to the Eluvian. Why? Well, read above.

Let me give you a rehash of what went down:

• Merrill takes shard of Eluvian with her to Sundermount. Merrill tries to use regular magic to cleanse it. It's not working and she doesn't have a ****load of lyrium on her. So the demon offers to teach her how to use blood magic because that can clean it. While risky, it was her only option to cleanse it of the taint. So she accepted and cleansed it.
• Marethari doesn't like the Eluvian because it took two of their clan members. Technically, the Eluvian didn't do anything. It was the Darkspawn taint. Yet Marethari doesn't like it anyway and refuses to have anything to do with it or lore surrounding it. The shard is cleansed. Marethari still doesn't like it, and she ousts Merrill from the clan saying "she has chosen her path". So we take Merrill with us.
• Merrill spends years rebuilding the Eluvian using only that one shard and whatever lore she could find. But she needs the Arulin'holm to help her finish. So we go to Sundermount to get it, and agree to slay the Varterral. Upon entering the cave, we find Pol who calls Merrill a monster, runs away, and gets himself killed. We later find out that Marethari spread baseless claims against Merrill that she would bring back the Taint. From a cleansed object. Marethari then urges Merrill to come back to the clan, who now fears her. And if the mirror was in fact still tainted, Merrill suddenly ceasing contact with it would not stop her from developing the Blight disease and spreading it. So.... yea faulty logic there Marethari. It's a lose-lose scenario for Merrill if she decided to return home.
• Jump to her Act 3 quest. Now we're going to see a trapped spirit. A spirit that has been there for centuries now. And when we get there we find Marethari who has released said spirit and says that it would've used the Eluvian to escape and possess Merrill. But Morrigan has told us that the Eluvian links to a place beyond the mortal world and beyond the Fade. So Marethari was once again wrong. So we slay her
• Now we go outside to a clan that hates Merrill and fears she is a diseased monster because of what Merrill is doing. They don't even bother to seek the truth out or even believe it. They just want to kill her.

I fail to see how anything Merrill did was her fault. Also, and this is just speculation, I wonder if maybe it was a spirit like Justice, but Marethari's bold and reckless move may have corrupted it into Audacity.

[TEWR]

Johnny20 wrote...

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

And yet it all went downhill anyway, the demon free, the Keeper dead. Only a fool would conspire with a demon.

Yes the demon was free. Because Marethari freed it. Yes the Keeper died, because Marethari was an idiot

If the demon could've freed itself it would have. But it couldn't. It had been there for centuries, so it was trapped

And why did she free it?

(PS: I never said Marethari was smart, either. She is just as foolish as Merrill, and 90% of the other mages in Kirkwall, for that matter).

because she didn't know anything. She believed what she wanted to believe. Because she's an idiot.

[Johnny20]

Too many people are quoting me at this point and I'm having trouble keeping up.

Let me just say this. I like Merril alot, I think she was a great character. I do however believe she made poor choices. I also think she is a smart girl with great knowledge on the arcane arts as I said before.

To that end, if I'm wrong with my opinion about her, then so be it.

[TEWR]

Meravas! So shall it be.

[Maladismal]

Johnny20 wrote...

Too many people are quoting me at this point and I'm having trouble keeping up.

Let me just say this. I like Merril alot, I think she was a great character. I do however believe she made poor choices. I also think she is a smart girl with great knowledge on the arcane arts as I said before.

To that end, if I'm wrong with my opinion about her, then so be it.

She does make bad decisions. Just not about magic and Spirits.