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[Iyashi]

 Doesn't any of the templars see me casting blood magic? I think specializations should effect the story.

[TJPags]

None of the Templars notice Hawke using regular magic . . . why should blood magic be special?

[DeathStride]

Iyashi wrote...

 Doesn't any of the templars see me casting blood magic?

What Varric never tells us is that the entire population of Kirkwall and all surrounding areas is under Hawke's blood magic. Especially the Templars.

[Iyashi]

TJPags wrote...

None of the Templars notice Hawke using regular magic . . . why should blood magic be special?

Meredith said she was keeping an eye on Hawke during the Qunari attack. But Anders doesn't notice, and he wants to kill blood mages with passion.

[BubbleDncr]

I would have been happy if when Merril revealed she was a blood mage, I could have said something akin to "hey, me too!" instead of only saying how blood magic was evil.

But it was the same issue in Origins as well - no one cared if you used blood magic. As much as I love taking blood magic as a specialization, I'm kind of under the opinion that it they should stop offering it for the player to use if they don't make other characters notice you're a blood mage. It just breaks the immersion a bit.

[Iyashi]

BTW, didn't Orsino send the books of blood magic to Gascard? There was a note that was signed " -O" Technically, Orsino killed mother? Wow.

[The Angry One]

Iyashi wrote...

BTW, didn't Orsino send the books of blood magic to Gascard? There was a note that was signed " -O" Technically, Orsino killed mother? Wow.

Quentin.
And yes the First Enchanter is a blood mage necromancer.
I've come to conclusion that whatever type of Lyrium the Templars in Kirkwall are snorting, it must be good.

Modifié par The Angry One, 21 avril 2011 - 12:40 .

[Rifneno]

The Angry One wrote...

Iyashi wrote...

BTW, didn't Orsino send the books of blood magic to Gascard? There was a note that was signed " -O" Technically, Orsino killed mother? Wow.

Quentin.
And yes the First Enchanter is a blood mage necromancer.
I've come to conclusion that whatever type of Lyrium the Templars in Kirkwall are snorting, it must be good.

My favorite part of the Leandra murder blame game is that Carver, a gd templar sworn to hunt apostates, blames Hawke for her murder.  Why is there no option to ever beat him into a coma!  WHY!

But yeah, Kirkwall lyrium must make cocaine look like a placebo.

[Foryou]

TJPags wrote...

None of the Templars notice Hawke using regular magic . . . why should blood magic be special?

Actually they do notice. In the first part of the game you were a nobody, so it was easy to hide it. In Act 2 they were more worried about the Qunari and you were the only one who could help diffuse it. During the final part of Act 2 Merideth says she'll ignore the fact that you are using magic. Then in Act 3 at the start of the mission "On The Loose" if you choose the dialogue as a mage she says "That you are only allowed to use magic due to your status as Champion.I allow you to be free cause of that and we could easily put you in the circle."

[TJPags]

Foryou wrote...

TJPags wrote...

None of the Templars notice Hawke using regular magic . . . why should blood magic be special?

Actually they do notice. In the first part of the game you were a nobody, so it was easy to hide it. In Act 2 they were more worried about the Qunari and you were the only one who could help diffuse it. During the final part of Act 2 Merideth says she'll ignore the fact that you are using magic. Then in Act 3 at the start of the mission "On The Loose" if you choose the dialogue as a mage she says "That you are only allowed to use magic due to your status as Champion.I allow you to be free cause of that and we could easily put you in the circle."

Does she?  I haven't played as a mage.  She sure didn't say anything during my games about Bethany, Merril or Anders.  None of the other Templars did, either, unless I just didn't choose the right Templars, or the right options . . .

[Iyashi]

Foryou wrote...

TJPags wrote...

None of the Templars notice Hawke using regular magic . . . why should blood magic be special?

Actually they do notice. In the first part of the game you were a nobody, so it was easy to hide it. In Act 2 they were more worried about the Qunari and you were the only one who could help diffuse it. During the final part of Act 2 Merideth says she'll ignore the fact that you are using magic. Then in Act 3 at the start of the mission "On The Loose" if you choose the dialogue as a mage she says "That you are only allowed to use magic due to your status as Champion.I allow you to be free cause of that and we could easily put you in the circle."

I just had that cutscene when Meredith says that. Still, when you were helping Cullen fight Wilmod, he was just like "Thank you for your assistance." I don't think he realized I cut my wrist right in front of him.

[Iyashi]

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"Does she?  I haven't played as a mage.  She sure didn't say anything during my games about Bethany, Merril or Anders.  None of the other Templars did, either, unless I just didn't choose the right Templars, or the right options . . ." [/quote]

When Meredith says that Anders steps up with you and she says that Anders was hiding behind Hawke's position as Champion.

Modifié par Iyashi, 21 avril 2011 - 01:06 .

[IanPolaris]

Iyashi wrote...

Foryou wrote...

TJPags wrote...

None of the Templars notice Hawke using regular magic . . . why should blood magic be special?

Actually they do notice. In the first part of the game you were a nobody, so it was easy to hide it. In Act 2 they were more worried about the Qunari and you were the only one who could help diffuse it. During the final part of Act 2 Merideth says she'll ignore the fact that you are using magic. Then in Act 3 at the start of the mission "On The Loose" if you choose the dialogue as a mage she says "That you are only allowed to use magic due to your status as Champion.I allow you to be free cause of that and we could easily put you in the circle."

I just had that cutscene when Meredith says that. Still, when you were helping Cullen fight Wilmod, he was just like "Thank you for your assistance." I don't think he realized I cut my wrist right in front of him.

Actually it's even worse than that.  If you talk to Cullen at the very end of the same quest (when deciding if the Keenan should be permitted to stay in the order), Cullen will say "Mages aren't like you and me....."

HEY BOZO!  I just cast multiple Chain-Lightnings and Herrmorrages right in front of you!  Not only am I a mage but a malificar! 

-Polaris

[Dio Demon]

This is what happens when Templars snort too much Lyrium they can't tell the difference between a malificar and a goat. Cullen actually thinks you're a goat

[LobselVith8]

Iyashi wrote...

Doesn't any of the templars see me casting blood magic? I think specializations should effect the story.

They should affect the story, and the summaries of the specializations seem to imply that Hawke gains the talents when he's in Kirkwall, but they don't actually get addressed.

As for the templars not seeing blood magic, as others have noted, they never see regular magic. This was addressed by Sylriel:

Sylriel wrote...



Not my work, simply reposting from the Motivational Posters thread.

I laugh every time i see that pic.  It's so true.

[Iyashi]

LobselVith8 wrote...

Iyashi wrote...

Doesn't any of the templars see me casting blood magic? I think specializations should effect the story.

They should affect the story, and the summaries of the specializations seem to imply that Hawke gains the talents when he's in Kirkwall, but they don't actually get addressed.

As for the templars not seeing blood magic, as others have noted, they never see regular magic. This was addressed by Sylriel:

Sylriel wrote...



Not my work, simply reposting from the Motivational Posters thread.

I laugh every time i see that pic.  It's so true.

LOL. About the specializations effecting the story...

They should make you do a quest so you can unlock it, like in Dragon Age: Origins you had to accept the Demons' offer at Redcliffe to obtain Blood Magic. 

[IanPolaris]

Iyashi wrote...

They should make you do a quest so you can unlock it, like in Dragon Age: Origins you had to accept the Demons' offer at Redcliffe to obtain Blood Magic. 

You did not have to accept a Demons offer to get bloodmagic.  As an alternative (with 4 ranks of Cooercian) you could make the demon a counter-offer:  You teach me bloodmagic and you get to leave Conner alive.

That is the good way to learn bloodmagic in DAO.

-Polaris

[Kimberly Shaw]

See my signature. They did it to make the game more fun. Screw people who want logic and lore in their games, that conflicts with the "awesome" button.

[IRMcGhee]

The only real alternative would have been to drop mage as a PC class otherwise. It's not like they'd have realistically been able to write a largely different storyline for mages and another for fighters/rogues. They didn't have unlimited time and money.

Modifié par IRMcGhee, 21 avril 2011 - 03:17 .

[LobselVith8]

IRMcGhee wrote...

The only real alternative would have been to drop mage as a PC class otherwise. It's not like they'd have realistically been able to write a largely different storyline for mages and another for fighters/rogues.

The alternative would be to incorporate it into the actual story, which they should have done for Hawke being an apostate instead of ignoring it for most of the game. The writers didn't need to handwave it.

[Cutlass Jack]

Well its not like Anders notices you being a Templar either...

But yes it would be great if Specializations were incorporated more into the story. But doing so would probably mean you wouldn't be able to simply respec out of them.

Modifié par Cutlass Jack, 21 avril 2011 - 03:26 .

[IanPolaris]

Cutlass Jack wrote...

Well its not like Anders notices you being a Templar either...

But yes it would be great if Specializations were incorporated more into the story. But doing so would probably mean you wouldn't be able to simply respec out of them.

It's not quite the same thing.  There is a difference between "Templar Training" and "Member of the Templar Order".  I suspect that many Templars in the Order don't in fact have Templar Training (or if they do only the very weakest talents).

-Polaris

[ColdEnd]

Rifneno wrote...
My favorite part of the Leandra murder blame game is that Carver, a gd templar sworn to hunt apostates, blames Hawke for her murder.  Why is there no option to ever beat him into a coma!  WHY!

But yeah, Kirkwall lyrium must make cocaine look like a placebo.

There is... I have a save game just before Carver gets squashed by the Ogre. I can't tell you how often  I've booted up that save just to watch that. Well, that and I named the dog Carver too... so that once every battle I can watch him die horrificly, even if I don't have Carver around.

Now, if we could just get the community to mod a Ogre smashes Anders scene too, that would be nice.

[tsunderes]

BubbleDncr wrote...

I would have been happy if when Merril revealed she was a blood mage, I could have said something akin to "hey, me too!" instead of only saying how blood magic was evil.

But it was the same issue in Origins as well - no one cared if you used blood magic. As much as I love taking blood magic as a specialization, I'm kind of under the opinion that it they should stop offering it for the player to use if they don't make other characters notice you're a blood mage. It just breaks the immersion a bit.

Agreed! I really want to play a bloodmage at somepoint, but feel it will really take me out of the story, and make many actions hard to justify or explain for my Hawke,

[Fieryeel]

IRMcGhee wrote...

The only real alternative would have been to drop mage as a PC class otherwise. It's not like they'd have realistically been able to write a largely different storyline for mages and another for fighters/rogues. They didn't have unlimited time and money.

They could easily have solved the problem with a single quest. Have a corrupt Knight-Captain turn up at Gamlen's house and blacksmail you into doing a quest, or do have u pay him 10 gold or something, and in return, he uses his position to keep templar's noses away from you.

Problem solved.