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[Ardinal]

I got to see 'Justice' or what felt like just 'Justice' in the Fade... and I guess the explanation for Anders being so non-Anders beyond the Fade is that Justice is slowly consuming what ever was Anders (i.e. the smoooshing of personalities instead of complete possession like e.g. Connor definitely not being Connor.) That might of been what through me as well, because when Justice is more prominent in Anders you get a giant neon sign of glowing blue eyes and angry... It was a different idea of possession to what I thought had been established in the DA universe and I guess I just had to roll with it.
Funnily enough, I had my Hawke hook up with Fenris in the end over 'Schmitty' primarily because of the dialog. I couldn't stomach the melodramatic mush from our dear possessed, oppressed mage... so went with the Gaider written ex slave. Maybe I'm just Gaidersexual.

[Furtled]

Has anyone considered that over the course of time during the game the whole Anders/Justice merge is in a state of constant flux?

If you think about it they're still settling into what the merge means at the start, there's glimpses of Anders from Awakenings in Act 1 (and a little in Act 2), although he's a more subdued and driven character overall (understandable given the trauma of the merge and maturing he inevitably did during his time in the Wardens).

In Act 2 he(/they?) swings wildly, which could easily be a reflection of the merge solidifying or breaking apart (depending on rivalry/friendship), he even seems open to compromise on occasion.

By Act 3 the merge is either fully solidified or being actively fought (leading to Anders' loss of memories when Justice/Vengeance takes over).

Anders says he knows what the merge means, but events test the bond and challenge his understanding of their situation which leads to confusion for all since Anders is the only real source of information on the subject - if he's confused the PC (and the player) is going to be too, but that's not necessarily a bad thing.

There's also seeing things from Justice's side as he becomes tainted and twisted into becoming Vengeance (who may or may not be Justice in the form of a Demon or a third entity - I'm never quite clear on that) by what they witness in Kirkwall.

Witnessing the heavy handed oppression of people whose situation they're already angry about is easily enough to harden the opinions of both characters, even without the merge situation or earlier maturing of Anders' character (think back to Anders' argument at the end of Awakenings if you propose burning the city - it's not the argument of a selfish person).

With that in mind the personality and belief changes made perfect sense to me, but I can see why other people can believe differently because the situation is both horribly complicated and has no comparisons within the DA universe (the only remotely similar situation is Wynne and that's a much calmer affair).

On the timeline, frankly I try not to think about it - it brings on the same kind of headaches as trying to figure out the Summers/Grey family tree used to.

Modifié par Furtled, 24 avril 2011 - 07:09 .

[Ulicus]

MikoDoll wrote...

Ulicus wrote...

Maren03 wrote...

He's a different person perhaps in the sense he has Justice within
him, but any other interpretation besides that doesn't add up because
Anders and Justice are two distinct personalities in DA2.

Personality =/= Person.

One person can have multiple personalities. While Abominanders appears to have two identities that he refers to as "Anders" and "Justice", they're both OOC if we assume they're the people Anders and Justice rather than the extremes of this new, amalgamated being.

There's a difference between extremes in one person's personality (as most of us have them on some level) and dissasociation between two or more personalities. That's like saying a person with dissasociative personality disorder doesn't have distinct personalities coexisting within one body, simply because the specific personalities can behave in extremes (and some do). Anders dissasociates with the other personality within him that is Justice. An actual merge in personality would mean Anders wouldn't disassociate himself with Justice (and vice versa) because this new person would understand both to be of one personality. Second Anders will even go as far as lose consciousness or be aware when Justice is controlling his body and sits there horrified at the mess he makes when it's over. This does not really constitute one single personality, but two personalities with BOTH disassociating from the other. Even when Justice comes out, he reffers to Anders as "Anders", and not as himself. It is OOC I think that the Anders' personality wants to control Justice and to prove to characters like Fenris that he is not weak. However, Anders simply broods and allows his anger towards the plights of mages to fester. And Justice comes out when he is angered. Anders' joking attitude in Awakening despite all he went through seemed to keep him up if you will. It was something he'd made an effort at doing if he had to. So you'd think therefore with the threat of Justice emerging when he's angry, that he'd try harder to keep that attitude.

I'm confused. You're talking as if I argued that Anders and Justice were a single personality, when I did not. My point was that neither of Abominander's personalities was an actual person in their own right. The "Anders" personality is not Anders and the "Justice" personality is not Justice. They are both manifestations of Abominanders: he is the Person.

Justice has been "taken over" by Anders just as much as Anders has been "taken over" by Justice. They've bled into one another. Abominanders is certainly trying to distinguish between what of him is Anders and what is Justice, but it's a losing battle.

Furtled wrote...

Has anyone considered that over the
course of time during the game the whole Anders/Justice merge is in a
state of constant flux?

This seems reasonable, yes.

Modifié par Ulicus, 24 avril 2011 - 03:45 .

[TEWR]

Furtled wrote...

Has anyone considered that over the course of time during the game the whole Anders/Justice merge is in a state of constant flux?

If you think about it they're still settling into what the merge means at the start, there's glimpses of Anders from Awakenings in Act 1 (and a little in Act 2), although he's a more subdued and driven character overall (understandable given the trauma of the merge and maturing he inevitably did during his time in the Wardens).

In Act 2 he(/they?) swings wildly, which could easily be a reflection of the merge solidifying or breaking apart (depending on rivalry/friendship), he even seems open to compromise on occasion.

By Act 3 the merge is either fully solidified or being actively fought (leading to Anders' loss of memories when Justice/Vengeance takes over).

Anders' says he knows what the merge means, but events test the bond and challenge his understanding of their situation which leads to confusion for all since Anders is the only real source of information on the subject - if he's confused the PC (and the player) is going to be too, but that's not necessarily a bad thing.

There's also seeing things from Justice's side as he becomes tainted and twisted into becoming Vengeance (who may or may not be Justice in the form of a Demon or a third entity - I'm never quite clear on that) by what they witness in Kirkwall.

Witnessing the heavy handed oppression of people whose situation they're already angry about is easily enough to harden the opinions of both characters, even without the merge situation or earlier maturing of Anders' character (think back to Anders' argument at the end of Awakenings if you propose burning the city - it's not the argument of a selfish person).

With that in mind the personality and belief changes made perfect sense to me, but I can see why other people can believe differently because the situation is both horribly complicated and has no comparisons within the DA universe (the only remotely similar situation is Wynne and that's a much calmer affair).

On the timeline, frankly I try not to think about it - it brings on the same kind of headaches as trying to figure out the Summers/Grey family tree used to.

You've made a great post that I agree with....


You're a witch!

[Eowien Thiele]

Anders spends a great deal of time deflecting any true intimacy in DA:O:A so it is unlikely that he would reveal his sexual preferences and life story to Hawke and company during their first meeting. He has never allowed himself to love anyone because life in the Circle (and presumably as a Warden) makes that impossible - he says that if you consummate your relationship with him in either gender role.

The timeline really is a mess if we agree that Year One is actually Year One in Kirkwall instead of Year One of the "Rise to Power". It is entirely possible that Hawke and family have been in Kirkwall for three years prior to meeting Varric in "Year One". Varric skips over time in his narration and I see no reason for him to provide any more detail about the three years that Hawke spent establishing himself/herself in Kirkwall. This even makes sense of the assertion that the storyline covers approximately 10 years in Hawke's life.

[Eowien Thiele]

For what it's worth - my conception of the timeline:

HAWKE  in Relation to DAO/A
Beginning - Fall of Lothering
5 months travel or so - Arrival in Kirkwall   DAO:Gathering Allies
4 months in to indenture                               DAO:Defeat of Archdemon
9 months in to indenture                               DAO:A  Warden Commander to Amaranthine
End of indenture                                              End of DAO:Awakening events

Beginning Year Two Kirkwall
Stay with mercs/smugglers                         Anders allows Justice to inhabit his body, Rolen joins GW

Beginning Year Three Kirkwall                    Rolen provokes first emergence of "Vengence"
Independent Contractor                                Anders comes to Kirkwall to escape GW, see Karl

Midway throuh Year Three Kirkwall
Pursue job with Deep Roads Expedition    Anders steals maps from Stroud; plans to rescure Karl

Year One of Rise to Power:  Hawke meets Varric; Anders meets Hawke for first time.

Modifié par Eowien Thiele, 24 avril 2011 - 06:16 .

[Furtled]

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

You've made a great post that I agree with....

You're a witch!

Hey! That one guy I turned into a newt got better!

Modifié par Furtled, 24 avril 2011 - 06:56 .

[MikoDoll]

Ardinal wrote...

I got to see 'Justice' or what felt like just 'Justice' in the Fade... and I guess the explanation for Anders being so non-Anders beyond the Fade is that Justice is slowly consuming what ever was Anders (i.e. the smoooshing of personalities instead of complete possession like e.g. Connor definitely not being Connor.) That might of been what through me as well, because when Justice is more prominent in Anders you get a giant neon sign of glowing blue eyes and angry... It was a different idea of possession to what I thought had been established in the DA universe and I guess I just had to roll with it.

Here's the issue. Justice can't really be used to describe basic motivations this character has in the game because without them, he'd have had no reason to join Justice to liberate mages in the first place. So blaming justice for a motivation he'd need to have first doesn't work unless a powerful demon was manipulating him like the ones in Feynriel's dream.  Like, how does 'Schmitty' start wondering why there was never a revolution, when he saw Uldred's attempt at revolting in the Circle and had to survive that Chaos? Why did he see no purpose in the Circle and want it destroyed when, if you save the vigil he spends a very short time educating people in the Circle about the Architecht and even in DA2 will tell Bethany it's the only place for a mage to be educated about their powers.

The characteristics of a demonic posession (as outlined by Gaider actually) seem more...in this case. Justice comes out when most especially when Scmi--er "Anders" gives way to his anger although Justice can also strip Anders of consciousness to preserve his own interests like the Desire Demon.  It'd also explain chronological errors like, how Justice should be in Kristoff's body for years, but Anders can be found with "Justice" in Act 1, a year after the blight. If one personality is simply consuming the consciousness of the other, it wouldn't really change the personalities of the characters, rather it'd simply mean one would gradually become less and less conscious/in control.  An actual merge of the personalities doesn't seem the case here because the two disassociate from the other's personality.

Funnily enough, I had my Hawke hook up with Fenris in the end over 'Schmitty' primarily because of the dialog. I couldn't stomach the melodramatic mush from our dear possessed, oppressed mage... so went with the Gaider written ex slave. Maybe I'm just Gaidersexual.

I wouldn't be surprised if half this board could claim similar, lol.

Modifié par MikoDoll, 24 avril 2011 - 07:26 .

[sevalaricgirl]

Ok, DA2 is full of plot holes and inconsistencies from the other two. Bioware just doesn't care. I hope they don't screw up ME3. I have no plans to buy another DA game and I think a lot of people are thinking the same thing I am. The devs can say what they want, the game doesn't make sense.

[MikoDoll]

I'm confused. You're talking as if I argued that Anders and Justice were a single personality, when I did not. My point was that neither of Abominander's personalities was an actual person in their own right. The "Anders" personality is not Anders and the "Justice" personality is not Justice. They are both manifestations of Abominanders: he is the Person.

However many people understand "person" to mean personality, not the physical body. This word is higher in context and subjectivity than I think you're making it out to be. There's also from what I can see at least,  no signifficance in really noting the two sharing the same body  unless you're saying that the co-existence explains abrupt differences in personality.

[MikoDoll]

I'm confused. You're talking as if I argued that Anders and Justice were a single personality, when I did not. My point was that neither of Abominander's personalities was an actual person in their own right. The "Anders" personality is not Anders and the "Justice" personality is not Justice. They are both manifestations of Abominanders: he is the Person.

However many people understand "person" to mean personality. Many people refer to the dead for example, in past tense, since personality is absent from the physical human body. This word is higher in context and subjectivity than I think you're making it out to be. There's also from what I can see at least, no significance in really noting the two sharing the same body unless you're saying that the co-existence explains abrupt differences in personality.

Modifié par MikoDoll, 24 avril 2011 - 07:42 .

[Purposeof-Flight]

sevalaricgirl wrote...

Ok, DA2 is full of plot holes and inconsistencies from the other two. Bioware just doesn't care. I hope they don't screw up ME3. I have no plans to buy another DA game and I think a lot of people are thinking the same thing I am. The devs can say what they want, the game doesn't make sense.

I'm looking forward to ME3...I believe that the ME series had a bit of a head start, however. It was a pre-determined trilogy. I don't really remember ANY plotholes in ME2 at all...in fact I was quite happy with it, despite Kaidan's nasty reunion.

I will continue buying DA games, and BioWare games in general. Plotholes (dead characters coming back to life, characters changing) do not bother me.
I could care less if Leliana comes back to life in DA2.
I could care less if Anders' sexuality changed.
I could care less if Anders isn't super-jokey-bro Anders.

I honestly could care less. The combat style in this game made me squee like a fangirl, plus I will never tire of DAO dialogue, even if the combat style was icky.
I do believe people WANT DA to fail. There were some major gaping plotholes, but nothing that should make people cry tears of frustration. If you truly feel your decisions in DAO are being ignored, by all means, cry and whine to someone who can change it.

As for Anders' plotholes, you'll live. He's a completely different character in DA2. I know that hurts your feelings but life goes on. He had some pretty big issues in Awakening, too....he just hid them with humor.

[MikoDoll]

Furtled wrote...

Has anyone considered that over the course of time during the game the whole Anders/Justice merge is in a state of constant flux?

I think even with this theory, there's still problems with explaining chronology of Anders and the fact it doesn't establish motivation.

If you think about it they're still settling into what the merge means at the start, there's glimpses of Anders from Awakenings in Act 1 (and a little in Act 2), although he's a more subdued and driven character overall (understandable given the trauma of the merge and maturing he inevitably did during his time in the Wardens). 

However, it doesn't explain why his defense mechanisms were simply discarded. Anders explains his joking attitude as something he makes an effort to upkeep to the Warden. When you consider that Anders now has a separate being in his body that will control him if he gets for example, too angry, there was fare more motivation to keep his previous attitude. It's traumatic yes, but this is how Anders handled difficult experiences and had a lot more reason to continue doing so than he had before.

In Act 2 he(/they?) swings wildly, which could easily be a reflection of the merge solidifying or breaking apart (depending on rivalry/friendship), he even seems open to compromise on occasion.

Thing is, they were never "solidified" to break away in the first place. From the start these two personalities disassociated with one another.

By Act 3 the merge is either fully solidified or being actively fought (leading to Anders' loss of memories when Justice/Vengeance takes over).

That still suggests the personalities disassociate from one another.

There's also seeing things from Justice's side as he becomes tainted and twisted into becoming Vengeance (who may or may not be Justice in the form of a Demon or a third entity - I'm never quite clear on that) by what they witness in Kirkwall.

Anders' posession seems more characteristic of a demonic posession, and the demons hunting Feynriel could manipulate the way characters thought and swayed them to make bold choices outside that they wouldn't outside of the fade. The character posessing Anders being the actual character Justice creates some problems in chronology, although even Justice spoke quite a bit about vengeance and his insistence on avenging people. It's possible Justice whether within Anders or not has been tainted somewhat by his experience in the mortal realm.

Witnessing the heavy handed oppression of people whose situation they're already angry about is easily enough to harden the opinions of both characters, even without the merge situation or earlier maturing of Anders' character (think back to Anders' argument at the end of Awakenings if you propose burning the city - it's not the argument of a selfish person).

Anders speaks of the problems of mages, quite a bit in Awakening. He's just not from what I'd gathered speaking about it with the idea the Circle is without purpose and needs to be destroyed and that he needs to head a revolution. But of I missed ay scenes when making my consideration could you please post the dialouge? What motivates Anders in DA2 lacks of understanding for why a revolution hadn't been done (when it had with Uldred) and why the Circle should be allowed to exist (when he knows of several important services (like education) that only the circle can reliable provide mages.

[TEWR]

Furtled wrote...

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

You've made a great post that I agree with....

You're a witch!

Hey! That one guy I turned into a newt got better!

Well, we'll see if you're made of wood. Since witches burn, they must be made of wood. And since wood floats, wood weighs the same as a duck. So if you weigh the same as the duck, you're a witch!

[Viyu]

Purposeof-Flight wrote...

sevalaricgirl wrote...

Ok, DA2 is full of plot holes and inconsistencies from the other two. Bioware just doesn't care. I hope they don't screw up ME3. I have no plans to buy another DA game and I think a lot of people are thinking the same thing I am. The devs can say what they want, the game doesn't make sense.

I'm looking forward to ME3...I believe that the ME series had a bit of a head start, however. It was a pre-determined trilogy. I don't really remember ANY plotholes in ME2 at all...in fact I was quite happy with it, despite Kaidan's nasty reunion.

I will continue buying DA games, and BioWare games in general. Plotholes (dead characters coming back to life, characters changing) do not bother me.
I could care less if Leliana comes back to life in DA2.
I could care less if Anders' sexuality changed.
I could care less if Anders isn't super-jokey-bro Anders.

I honestly could care less. The combat style in this game made me squee like a fangirl, plus I will never tire of DAO dialogue, even if the combat style was icky.
I do believe people WANT DA to fail. There were some major gaping plotholes, but nothing that should make people cry tears of frustration. If you truly feel your decisions in DAO are being ignored, by all means, cry and whine to someone who can change it.

As for Anders' plotholes, you'll live. He's a completely different character in DA2. I know that hurts your feelings but life goes on. He had some pretty big issues in Awakening, too....he just hid them with humor.

I don't "care" what Anders' sexuality is, that was never the issue. I was never trying to be "protecive" of his straightness and if he's bi next game more power to him. In fact when I heard he was bi on the wikis I was interested to see how Bioware would pull it off. I just felt there was a lack of transition/explanation towards it because he had only flirted with women in the last game, and makes it a point not to flirt with your male warden whilst flirting with your male warden's exact female equivalent in Awakening. My main issue, which I never got to get into because I was bombarded with like 20 responses in less than 1 hour, was that his sexuality was never allowed to be apart of his identity in order to (in my opinion) not offend straight players who don't want to see him bi. But I take issue with that implication. Another point I never got to make was that I think people seemed to think that when I said "plothole" I was implying his sexuality should be retconned and removed, which I did not. But again I had a slight annoyance with the implication I felt that the devs seemed to be "hiding" Anders' bisexuality as if I needed their protection, which is why you only learn about the nature of Karl's relationship with Anders if you're male, regardless if he has the exact same personality and choices as your femhawke when if he's bi, I didn't think that really should've mattered. I don't want to divert the topic again but I don't want people to misinterpret what I meant either. Just setting the record straight. Carry on.

[Ulicus]

So, as much as I do think the change in DA2 Anders was explained (albeit imperfectly), even I had to laugh out loud at this part of Awakening, today:

Wynne: The Libertatrians wish to pull away entirely from teh Chantry. And if they get enough support....
Anders: Pull away entirely? That's madness. I hate Chantry oversight as much as the next mage, but they can't just decide to leave. This is a recipe for disaster.

:lol:

Though it actually works really well with my Mage Origin game... since I can chalk up Anders new attitude in DA2 to both the Justice/Vengeance merger and the influence of my Amell.

Amell: It's about time the mages freed themselves.
Wynne: The mages will never be free! The chantry would never allow it ... This change CANNOT be forced.
Amell: Then it will never come.

(Anders stands in the background, listening... )

Modifié par Ulicus, 26 avril 2011 - 10:41 .

[Addai]

When does Anders ever flirt with the female Warden in Awakening? He responds if the Warden flirts with him. Different story.

Modifié par Addai67, 26 avril 2011 - 10:49 .

[Rifneno]

Ulicus wrote...

So, as much as I do think the change in DA2 Anders was explained (albeit imperfectly), even I had to laugh out loud at this part of Awakening, today:

Wynne: The Libertatrians wish to pull away entirely from teh Chantry. And if they get enough support....
Anders: Pull away entirely? That's madness. I hate Chantry oversight as much as the next mage, but they can't just decide to leave. This is a recipe for disaster.

:lol:

Though it actually works really well with my Mage Origin game... since I can chalk up Anders new attitude in DA2 to both the Justice/Vengeance merger and the influence of my Amell.

Amell: It's about time the mages freed themselves.
Wynne: The mages will never be free! The chantry would never allow it ... This change CANNOT be forced.
Amell: Then it will never come.

(Anders stands in the background, listening... )

You know, I just noticed something today.  People have been saying that Justice becomes the more dominant one in Act III because of the rivalmance dialogue.  I was kind of hesitant to accept that.  But looking at Act III Ander's random party banters...  I think they're showing it subtly there too.  Anders was always the joking sort, and he joked with Varric in Act I&II lots.  In III, he pretty much tells Varric "stop pestering me" for trying to joke around.  On multiple occasions.  And then there's this line: "Anders: Well if doing nothing sums up your religion, then Elthina is perfect. Personally, I'd prefer a Chantry that favors action over sloth."  Sloth?  That sounds like Justice's wording more than Anders.  Anders talks like any average guy in real life, Justice is the one who says things like "sloth" because he's been living in the Fade with demons of such for eternity.

Poor Anders.  The quasi-demon really did take over eventually.  

[erilben]

Addai67 wrote...

When does Anders ever flirt with the female Warden in Awakening? He responds if the Warden flirts with him. Different story.

Maybe they mean when he tells the female Warden that she is remarkably lovely in the conversation you have with him once he's at friendly.

[Deztyn]

Rifneno wrote...

You know, I just noticed something today.  People have been saying that Justice becomes the more dominant one in Act III because of the rivalmance dialogue.  I was kind of hesitant to accept that.  But looking at Act III Ander's random party banters...  I think they're showing it subtly there too.  Anders was always the joking sort, and he joked with Varric in Act I&II lots.  In III, he pretty much tells Varric "stop pestering me" for trying to joke around.  On multiple occasions.  And then there's this line: "Anders: Well if doing nothing sums up your religion, then Elthina is perfect. Personally, I'd prefer a Chantry that favors action over sloth."  Sloth?  That sounds like Justice's wording more than Anders.  Anders talks like any average guy in real life, Justice is the one who says things like "sloth" because he's been living in the Fade with demons of such for eternity.

Poor Anders.  The quasi-demon really did take over eventually.  

I know I've been saying that for awhile.

C'mon Rif, I dare you to rival him and make pro-templar decisions once. Just once. You really will see a different side of Anders. Just one little game. It won't hurt you... much.

[Rifneno]

Deztyn wrote...

Rifneno wrote...

You know, I just noticed something today.  People have been saying that Justice becomes the more dominant one in Act III because of the rivalmance dialogue.  I was kind of hesitant to accept that.  But looking at Act III Ander's random party banters...  I think they're showing it subtly there too.  Anders was always the joking sort, and he joked with Varric in Act I&II lots.  In III, he pretty much tells Varric "stop pestering me" for trying to joke around.  On multiple occasions.  And then there's this line: "Anders: Well if doing nothing sums up your religion, then Elthina is perfect. Personally, I'd prefer a Chantry that favors action over sloth."  Sloth?  That sounds like Justice's wording more than Anders.  Anders talks like any average guy in real life, Justice is the one who says things like "sloth" because he's been living in the Fade with demons of such for eternity.

Poor Anders.  The quasi-demon really did take over eventually.  

I know I've been saying that for awhile.

C'mon Rif, I dare you to rival him and make pro-templar decisions once. Just once. You really will see a different side of Anders. Just one little game. It won't hurt you... much.

I've got nothing against rivaling Anders.  I've actually wanted to, just because it looks like it's fun to troll Justice.  "You have given in to sloth!"  Lulz.  I learned a long time ago though that I hate RPing a character with vastly different ethics than I have.  It's just not fun.  I don't think I'll ever go pro-templar.

[Deztyn]

Give yourself to the Dark Side. It is the only way... whoops, I mean...

Awww... but it is fun! You don't know what you're missing. The endgame even makes sense! And if you're a mage who supports the templars there's the added lulz of watching Anders' head go 'splodey trying to figure it out!

[/persuade]

:innocent::innocent::innocent::innocent:

Modifié par Deztyn, 27 avril 2011 - 01:03 .

[Wompoo]

Is Anders badly written? don't think so imo, just poor timing, still I hate and loathe that character. I use him for a few quests mostly to gather coin and trash gear drops, then ignore the annoying freakish head case for the entire game... and take great pleasure stabbing him (shame there is no thud with more childish strawberry DA jam blood gushing). The companion characters on a whole were far more enjoyable then DA:O period, for me. Anders I disliked in Awakenings (still well written however). Improving on the DA2 system of interactions? yes please, but for get the DA:O system I am so over that one. However dump that horrid disgusting excuse for rpg game play wise and its soulless lack lustre combat model in general. On the whole no I will not touch DLC in this game, unless they manage to pull something special off (story wise) and DA3 would have to be something special for me to even consider it now. Waiting for W2. Anders, forgettable sad character that fails to sell that soap opera.

[Viyu]

I think he is. I hated the whole "they can't understand our love" silliness and I felt it was out of character. I don't know where justice ends and I begin! I'm a hurt soul! But oh btw he totally doesn't want us dating. I shouldn't be able to distinguish my thoughts from his own, but melodrama ftw" I agree with Miko, that if he were posessed by a demon spirit to the point it scares you, you would think the natural response would be to try to consciously control your emotions force yourself to be happy in order not to get overwhelmed by anger. Almost like Raven from teen titans.

[Addai]

erilben wrote...

Addai67 wrote...

When does Anders ever flirt with the female Warden in Awakening? He responds if the Warden flirts with him. Different story.

Maybe they mean when he tells the female Warden that she is remarkably lovely in the conversation you have with him once he's at friendly.

He says that?  Then this is two games where he never flirts with my characters.  Up yours, you silly Abominanders!