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I just thought about this recently, i don't realize it before and it is disturbing

How old is female warden? According to Connor, female warden is half his mom age, young and beautiful. How old is his mom? The dialogue is "she is not like you, half your age and beautiful too, i wonder why you don't order to execute her out of jealousy"

Isolde is said as to be too young for Arl Eamon, and according to her visual, i assume she is 25-30. She didn't look 40, even if she is 35, half her age didn't make female warden reaching consent age for sex. More than 35 is not  considered as too young for Arl Eamon.

Female warden also being compared with her sister in law, Oriana, (Human Noble), her nephew said "she is old, but not as old as you mom" if the player choose not to be called as aunty by Oren. And Oriana look like 25 based on her visual. Oren is a kid younger than Conor based on his visual.

Compare Isolde and Oriana, Connor said half Isolde age, no matter female warden not as old as Oriana, female warden is far younger than both.

Her father call her "pup", isn't that show she is not matured?

So, when female warden engage in sexual activity with party members, isn't that an underage sex? Doesn't that making Alistair or Zevran pedophilia?

Please, this is disturbing....

Modifié par Niza, 21 avril 2011 - 02:59 .


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 Middle Ages... People were married with kids by 16, most didn't live to their 40's due to disease and such

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How old is female warden? According to Connor, female warden is half his mom age, young and beautiful. How old is his mom? The dialogue is "she is not like you, half your age and beautiful too, i wonder why you don't order to execute her out of jealousy"

Isolde is said as to be too young for Arl Eamon, and according to her visual, i assume she is 25-30. She didn't look 40, even if she is 35, half her age didn't make female warden reaching consent age for sex. More than 35 is not considered as too young for Arl Eamon.


According to the DA wiki, Isolde was with Eamon since near the end of the Orlesian occupation thirty years earlier. Even if she was a teenager at the time, that would still put her in her mid-forties at the very least. Besides "half your age" doesn't have to be taken literally.

Her father call her "pup", isn't that show she is not matured?


No, it's just an affectionate term.

The Warden's age is ambiguous, regardless of the origin, but it's not unreasonable to assume that he or she is an adult.

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Well... and just to put this further into perspective: go and remember the most iconic love story on this planet. Yes, Romeo and Juliet.

Romeo is 16.
Juliet is 13.

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Dragon Age is not Middle Age...... :-/

But i can accept Frolk say that it cannot be taken literally...just...it is seems like want justify things...?

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Good Lord, could you be working harder to find something to get your knickers in a twist about? It's a roleplaying game. The warden is the age you make him/her, Isolde's age is inexact, and you're basing your argument on the words of an abomination whose entire point in saying it is to make Isolde feel like crap, not to express a literal truth.

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I doubt papa Cousland would but their daughter in charge of the castle if she wasn't a grown-up.

Connor's comment about the Warden being half Isolde's age was, in my opinion, meant as an insult to Isolde.

Oren probably assumes his aunty is much younger than his mom because his aunty is not married and does not have children. Kids tend to think that being a parent makes you ancient.

So, no, I don't think the Warden is supposed to be underage.

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digi_ronin wrote...

Well... and just to put this further into perspective: go and remember the most iconic love story on this planet. Yes, Romeo and Juliet.

Romeo is 16.
Juliet is 13.



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Can I just point out that paedophilia is attraction to prepubescent children (age 13 or younger). And The Warden isdefinitely not a prepubescent child.

Just because the age of consent is 18 in America, doesn't make an adult that is attracted to an 13-17 aged old  adolescent a paedophile. It might make them an ephebophile, and at the very worst an hebephile.
 
And even if Zevran or Alistair are like, pushing 40 (and I doubt that), and the Warden is only 16 (she can't possibly be any younger than that, just look at her)... it's not exactly disturbing, is it? The Warden is someone who is mature enough to be recruited, trusted to lead her companions, kill hordes of darkspawn, influence the decisions of nobility etc etc etc. She's far from a little girl, even if it's possible that she's young.If she's mature enough to push blades through people's guts and lop heads off demons , she's probably mature enough for sex. If she wasn't, she wouldn't be persuing romances or even getting married anyway, would she? 


Anyway, we can assume that a female Warden is the same age as she would be if she was male, and it's obvious that the male Wardens are all adults/young adults.

This is a stupid thing to be confused about. You're just looking for controversy. 
 

Modifié par yaw, 21 avril 2011 - 05:10 .


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This topic, while an interesting one, is born from (primarily) American sentiments.  This is the same country where you can catch a bullet in the Armed Forces at the age of 18 (17 if you're emancipated), but have to be 21 to legally take a shot at the bar.

Judging by the setting in which this game takes place, I'd say it's common for females to be married by the time they reach the mid-teens.  We can safely assume the female warden is not jailbait.

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I haven't gotten to this point with a female Warden, so maybe that explains it, but how would Connor have any idea how old the Warden is?

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There's 6 minutes of my life I'll never get back...

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GSSAGE7 wrote...

I haven't gotten to this point with a female Warden, so maybe that explains it, but how would Connor have any idea how old the Warden is?

Neither the demon nor Conner knows, yet another reason why this is a little tiny tempest in a very tiny teacup. The demon is just going for an insult that it thinks will work.

Modifié par errant_knight, 22 avril 2011 - 04:14 .


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age of consent is different in different countries, in my country 16 years old girl can get married. But that is for marriage. So age for marriage for girls is min 16 years old.

If a guy sex with under 18 girl not in marriage it is considered a rape no matter if the girl allow it or like it or not, it is automatically rape...and that guy got up to max 24 lashes and sent to prison.

@yew

Joan of Arc lead and army and unite France before reaching 18 as i remember reading about her...so about uniting nobles, lands and fighting in battle, a little girl can do that and it is proven in history. It is not the issue about Middle Age people or whatsoever because Dragon Age is not Middle Age. It is about sexual content involving underage girl in a video game.

If someone made historical film about Middle Age people involving sex with underage it is okay because it is history and the film is about history...we all know there is no such underage law in the past, it is modern western secular law and modern terminology such as pedophile or whatever. And so some Islamic haters making noise about the prophet of Islam married with 9 years old it is bull crap like we can see today. He live 1400 years ago and a desert people, and he is not white.

But this is video game we are talking about. Video game made after millennium.

So, okay...i am not looking for controversy....just pointing maybe Bioware should be careful in something...that's all. If i can see like that, imagine feminists groups if they play this game...

Modifié par Niza, 22 avril 2011 - 07:00 .


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Well, I think a lot of us probably consider ourselves feminists, in attitude, if not in name, and this seems like a non-issue to me.

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whatever.... lols

it is always the end justify the means.....and do as thou wilt....

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Niza wrote...

So, okay...i am not looking for controversy....just pointing maybe Bioware should be careful in something...that's all. If i can see like that, imagine feminists groups if they play this game...


So Bioware should be careful because a very small minority (possibly a minority of one) might grasp at straws to support the conclusion that a sexually active character is under age?  And this is all despite the laughably tame sex scenes?

No.  If writers and artists had to consider every crazy interpretation of their work for fear of offending someone, we wouldn't have an entertainment industry to speak of.

Edit: And just to echo Errant_Knight, I can't imagine any feminists taking issue with this.  Except for Andrea "all intercourse is rape" Dworkin, but she was kind of crazy.

Modifié par Frolk, 22 avril 2011 - 07:38 .


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She looks about fourty. Also trying to nail down the wardens age from in game dialog is like trying to nail down the timeline between DAO and DA2 from in game dialog. Impossible. And if it helps pretend they're in Italy, where the legal age of consent is yes.

Also, who gives a ****?

Modifié par Slidell505, 22 avril 2011 - 07:45 .


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You have skin complexion slider, feel free to make your warden look like grandmother if it rocks your boat so much.

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No pixels were harmed in the making of this video game.

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At least put in a warning "All characters that involving sexual activity in this game are adults and professionals, none of the characters are actually impregnated" lols

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Niza wrote...

At least put in a warning "All characters that involving sexual activity in this game are adults and professionals, none of the characters are actually impregnated" lols


Well they actually are impregnated... Morrigan at least. :P

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Yeah...the term 'actually' means not actual...i just change above statement from a spoiler warning of a class B horror movie that have sexual content in it lols.

the statement is "All actors in this film are above 18 and are professionals, no female actors are impregnated during the making of this film"

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Niza wrote...


So, okay...i am not looking for controversy....just pointing maybe Bioware should be careful in something...that's all. If i can see like that, imagine feminists groups if they play this game...



I find myself wondering if you actually know what feminism is.

For the record - almost militant feminist here - and I bloody love DA. It's one of the only fantasy universes I've come across where women are treated equally in terms of plot and characterisation.

Underage sex/paedophilia/whatever you want to call it is, and should never be, an exclusively feminist issue. And in this instance, it's not even an issue. End of.

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Niza wrote...

age of consent is different in different countries, in my country 16 years old girl can get married. But that is for marriage. So age for marriage for girls is min 16 years old.

If a guy sex with under 18 girl not in marriage it is considered a rape no matter if the girl allow it or like it or not, it is automatically rape...and that guy got up to max 24 lashes and sent to prison.

@yew

Joan of Arc lead and army and unite France before reaching 18 as i remember reading about her...so about uniting nobles, lands and fighting in battle, a little girl can do that and it is proven in history. It is not the issue about Middle Age people or whatsoever because Dragon Age is not Middle Age. It is about sexual content involving underage girl in a video game.

If someone made historical film about Middle Age people involving sex with underage it is okay because it is history and the film is about history...we all know there is no such underage law in the past, it is modern western secular law and modern terminology such as pedophile or whatever. And so some Islamic haters making noise about the prophet of Islam married with 9 years old it is bull crap like we can see today. He live 1400 years ago and a desert people, and he is not white.

But this is video game we are talking about. Video game made after millennium.

So, okay...i am not looking for controversy....just pointing maybe Bioware should be careful in something...that's all. If i can see like that, imagine feminists groups if they play this game..



No.
Stop.
Just stop,
clear your mind,
and think.


The Warden is NOT a little girl. Look at her.

She's as tall as the adults of her race, she has huge ******, a womanly body etc.
It's clear to see that she can't be placed anywhere under 16. And that's a huge stretch of imagination. The very youngest she could be would be 16. That's far far far from paedophila, and (although just off legal in some countries today, such as the USA) pretty much socially acceptable throughout the world. In modern times, and defintely in the sort of times that the game is based, whether you want to accept that as a point or not.

There's also no reason to assume that a warden of any race, class or gender would have a differing age. So it stands that the male Warden (with his beard, abs, huge stature, obviously adult everything) would be the same age as the female Warden. They're the same 'The Warden' - the only 'The Warden' that exists in their personal universe.

And Joan of Arc was 16 when she began her campaign.
Regardless, she wasn't given a couple of friends, a bit of advice, and then sent into the thick of a huge and terrifying bloody battle with hordes of monsters.

Plus, it's impossible to be forced into sex with anyone. The Warden must either intinate the sex themselves, likely after a long or intense period of flirting, or understand and respond positively/maturely to advances.
I doubt a 12 year old girl would do this.


I've given you a range of evidence that the Warden is not underage, or at least if she is young, of  a perfectly acceptable age to be having sex. Pick and choose what you want, only 1 reason is really needed.


You've got an idea in your head, grasped at straws, and decided it's a problem.
It isn't.
You've made this up yourself, and neither Bioware of the rest of us see this as being a potential issue as noone but people like yourself, who just seem to WANT this sort of controversy, would take offence.


Why would Bioware purposely design the Warden to be underage? How could it be possible that they accidently did it? There's no reason why Bioware would make her underage, and while you can take dialouge out of context and shove stuff together, your claim that the Warden is underaged is as valid as staring at the clouds and claiming one of them was made to look like Robert Frost's testicles. 

Discussion over.

Modifié par yaw, 23 avril 2011 - 02:36 .