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[Qis]

You can call me a paranoid but i believe there is an evil agenda brainwashing people mind through everything...something that is not seems wrong and acceptable are actually programmed into our mind without we realizing it...

This game even have been said containing adult content and blah blah blah...but the one who play the game are not adult, can we have statistic of adults playing this game? Only kids will play games and searching sex in a game, adults can have sex anytime no need for games.

I don't mind about sex in video game, i live with that...i still remember sexy girl heroes with huge boobs and butt in video games in the past like Chun Li of Street Fighter in 1992....so, sex in game is not the issue...but what exactly want to be shown in the game is the issue. The one who play Street Fighter back then are 12 years old and below...including me. And then we got super sexy heroine like in Tomb Rider and most of heroine in games are half naked...there we goes into 3D age....

So, now...the Warden is underage or not is depend on the one who perceive it, aware of it or not. Only that i just realize it through the dialogues in this game...maybe i wrong, or not...but i made speculations...and so i decide to wrote it here.

My intention is not to bash Bioware about it...but to see the reaction, either by Bioware or fans....and i can see that...clearly....

Modifié par Niza, 23 avril 2011 - 03:37 .

[Biotic_Warlock]

Depends how you use the skin complextion (i think) sliders, far left = warden that looks 16-18, far right looks older then wynne - thus romancing alistair or leliana seems weird.

Ohh i remember all that 1992 stuff... like BG1 (tho not that year i think - female human fighters had a pretty skimpy no armour appearance - seems a bit weird)

WAit till u see DA2

spoiler - minor


Merril looks 14

Modifié par Biotic_Warlock, 23 avril 2011 - 03:41 .

[Qis]

And so, that is the escape...move slider to the right, the warden is 90 years old....why? Why need the age slider anyway? Isn't that will contradict all the dialogues of how young and beautiful the warden is?

Oh, you guys may say "beauty" is subjective...i just wait for someone saying that....

[Biotic_Warlock]

Niza wrote...

And so, that is the escape...move slider to the right, the warden is 90 years old....why? Why need the age slider anyway? Isn't that will contradict all the dialogues of how young and beautiful the warden is?

Oh, you guys may say "beauty" is subjective...i just wait for someone saying that....

hehe, actually now u mention it, i have seen that line XD

I wonder if the age slider actually changes it at all O_o

[Ulicus]

Frolk wrote...

According to the DA wiki, Isolde was with Eamon since near the end of the Orlesian occupation thirty years earlier. Even if she was a teenager at the time, that would still put her in her mid-forties at the very least. Besides "half your age" doesn't have to be taken literally.

It's all rather confused, really. The DA wiki is going off information provided by the codex. Which, assuming we can take the dialogue at face value, is incorrect. Alistair (early twenties maximum) mentions that Eamon married a "young noblewoman from Orlais" shortly before he was packed off to a monastery. And the smith in Redcliffe harps on about how Isolde is "far too young for our Arl", as well.

[Shia Luck]

Seriously?

You can't make any argument based on looks because it is up to you to design her age with the top slider (and your RP). And it's not uncommon for older people to look much much younger than the average and vice versa. Madonna was 53 at the Oscars... does she look it?

Madonna at the 2011 Oscars

One friend never had to prove her age since 14, I still do almost everytime (now am mid-20s and legal drinking age here is 18). My flatmate is almost 30 and still has to prove her age.

You can't make any argument based on dialogue because demons will lie, and no one knows her age except her parents, and being called an affectionate name by your parents even when an adult is hardly uncommon. 

Ultimately, you are the one RPing the warden. If you insist on seeing her as
underage and then choose to have sex with an NPC, then who has created
the issue?

Modifié par Shia Luck, 23 avril 2011 - 05:27 .

[Frolk]

Ulicus wrote...

Frolk wrote...

According to the DA wiki, Isolde was with Eamon since near the end of the Orlesian occupation thirty years earlier. Even if she was a teenager at the time, that would still put her in her mid-forties at the very least. Besides "half your age" doesn't have to be taken literally.

It's all rather confused, really. The DA wiki is going off information provided by the codex. Which, assuming we can take the dialogue at face value, is incorrect. Alistair (early twenties maximum) mentions that Eamon married a "young noblewoman from Orlais" shortly before he was packed off to a monastery. And the smith in Redcliffe harps on about how Isolde is "far too young for our Arl", as well.

Yeah, you're probably right - I recalled Alistair mentioning that too but I thought that I might have misremembered.  I went with the wiki because I had that info on-hand.

So maybe Isolde's in her mid-thirties.

[Qis]

Shia Luck wrote...

You can't make any argument based on dialogue because demons will lie, and no one knows her age except her parents, and being called an affectionate name by your parents even when an adult is hardly uncommon. 

It is not about demon lying or what...it is about the script...that demon say "half your age" through Conor. Okay...now we see what demon say that...that demon is a naked female demon of desire, sure that demon know what she is saying. I admit...her boobs is sooooo perfect!

And the real demon here is the script writer, sure he know what he wrote.......what is the script writer thinking when wrote that line? The writer want to show that the female warden is far younger and beautiful than Isolde. And Isolde visual is not mid 40 woman, she is more like 25-30 average woman.

i am confused with the age in this game...like discussion above....How old is Alistair actually? Alistair look like the same age with Isolde by looking at their visual. But through Alistair story about he being a bastard child and how Isolde treat him, i am confused...how young Isolde when married with Arl Eamon????

How old is Connor??? Isn't  Connor should be the same age or little younger with Alistair? Conor should be a youth and not a boy.

Modifié par Niza, 24 avril 2011 - 07:09 .

[Frolk]

Niza wrote...

And the real demon here is the script writer, sure he know what he wrote.......what is the script writer thinking when wrote that line? The writer want to show that the female warden is far younger and beautiful than Isolde. And Isolde visual is not mid 40 woman, she is more like 25-30 average woman.

Just for the sake of argument, let's say that the demon literally meant "half your age" (I feel embarrassed for entertaining this idea even as a hypothetical since it's so ridiculous, but I have a point to make).  This means there are two possibilities: Isolde is older than you think she is (and this can be reasonably inferred from the codex or the dialogue) or the Warden is a young teenage girl who's looks like an adult, who acts like an adult, and is treated like an adult by everyone around her.  What do you think is the more reasonable explanation?

i am confused with the age in this game...like discussion above....How old is Alistair actually? Alistair look like the same age with Isolde by looking at their visual. But through Alistair story about he being a bastard child and how Isolde treat him, i am confused...how young Isolde when married with Arl Eamon????

How old is Connor??? Isn't  Connor should be the same age or little younger with Alistair? Conor should be a youth and not a boy.

Clearly, Alistair is a hebephilic time traveling wizard.  What other explanation could there be?

Modifié par Frolk, 24 avril 2011 - 09:40 .

[Rexiselic]

The comment "you look half your age" doesn't mean she is literally that age devided by two...

It just means she is younger and more attractive.

[Iapetus303]

Niza wrote...

You can call me a paranoid but i believe there is an evil agenda brainwashing people mind through everything...something that is not seems wrong and acceptable are actually programmed into our mind without we realizing it...

Okay, you're paranoid.

This game even have been said containing adult content and blah blah blah...but the one who play the game are not adult, can we have statistic of adults playing this game? Only kids will play games and searching sex in a game, adults can have sex anytime no need for games.

Er, no.

Lots of adults play games.

Last time I heard, the average age of gamers in general is 20 - 30, or maybe even higher.  (Basically, all the people who started gaming in the 70s and 80s, and never stopped).

And in the UK, DA is 18 rated, so only adults can legally buy it.

[Braindeer]

Yeah, what Iapetus303 said.

And also - I don't think sex is "evil" or "wrong". Do you?! It sort of sounds like it...

Not that I'm condoning underage nookie, but...I don't see sex in video games as a major threat to the youth of today. Frankly I'm more concerned about what they see in music videos which have absolutely no age limit on them at all.

PLUS the companion sex scenes in DA:O are (for the most part) conducted within a loving relationship, and always between consenting adults (I don't think the age thing is really in question). All of which seems like a fine example to our younger gamers, no?

Modifié par Braindeer, 24 avril 2011 - 10:00 .

[yaw]

Niza wrote...

You can call me a paranoid but i believe there is an evil agenda brainwashing people mind through everything...something that is not seems wrong and acceptable are actually programmed into our mind without we realizing it...

You mean to say you believe that someone in Bioware stroked his slick black goatee, rubbed his long fingered hands together and said, "I know! Lets make The Warden underage, but not make it obvious. Then when she's placed in a series of sexual encounters, we can BRAINWASH people into becoming paedophiles! MUAHAHAHAAA..."

I'm not calling you paranoid, I'm calling you idiotic. 

This game even have been said containing adult content and blah blah blah...but the one who play the game are not adult, can we have statistic of adults playing this game? Only kids will play games and searching sex in a game, adults can have sex anytime no need for games.

1.       This game is rated 18. To legally buy and play this game, you have to be 18. If someone under the age of 18 manages to obtain and play it, that's not Bioware's fault. Not saying it doesn't happen (it obviously does, and as I think you were trying to say, it's likely that many players are under 18), but you can't ask for all violence and sex to removed from everything ‘just in case’. That's ridiculous. 

2.       'Adults can have sex anytime they want, so they don't need to see it in games? 'Only kids are interested in the sex anyway, so just remove it'? Err. Okay. Aside from the fact that "adults can have sex anytime" is a stupid thing to say, sex adds humour and a bit of light fun to the game. It can also add a bit of depth, sensitivity and maturity to some scenerios. If you don't like it, then just avoid it. Other players, (not just kids, and even including all those previously aforementioned Cassanova adults who can get action at the snap of their fingers) enjoy its inclusion. 

 

I don't mind about sex in video game, i live with that...i still remember sexy girl heroes with huge boobs and butt in video games in the past like Chun Li of Street Fighter in 1992....so, sex in game is not the issue...but what exactly want to be shown in the game is the issue. The one who play Street Fighter back then are 12 years old and below...including me. And then we got super sexy heroine like in Tomb Rider and most of heroine in games are half naked...there we goes into 3D age....

 
If you’re complaining about exposure to young children, I’ll say it again: this game is rated 18. It’s not intended for anyone under 18.

 
It’s up to parents/guardians or whoever else cares for these children to make sure they’re not exposed to sex if they’re too young for it. Just as it’s up to them to stop them drinking, watching porn, or having sex themselves at 12. Understand?

It’s not Bioware’s responsibility.

So, now...the Warden is underage or not is depend on the one who perceive it, aware of it or not.

Wrong. The Warden is not underage.

If you came to this conclusion, as you have, you are wrong. Plain and simple. It’s not a matter of opinion. It can be fully reasoned that she’s not underage, and there’s no evidence to the contrary.

 

There’s no ‘awareness’ or ‘unawareness’ to some sort of secret perversion.

 

Only that i just realize it through the dialogues in this game...maybe i wrong, or not...but i made speculations...and so i decide to wrote it here.

 

And despite your speculations being disproved, you still seem to insist you’ve got things ‘figured out’.

My intention is not to bash Bioware about it...but to see the reaction, either by Bioware or fans....and i can see that...clearly....

And so why are you still fighting for this ridiculous theory of yours? 

Modifié par yaw, 25 avril 2011 - 01:26 .

[yaw]

Niza wrote...

And so, that is the escape...move slider to the right, the warden is 90 years old

You say  "escape" as if the complexion slider, allowing characters to look older, is some sort of justifiction for orginally intending the Warden to be an underaged girl.

A stupidly farfetched claim. It's just customization...

....why? Why need the age slider anyway? 

The Warden is likely intended to be of an age between 18 to 30 - better complexions make the face look younger and worse complexions can make it look older.
And "why?": why not? This is a roleplay game, the most customization the better.

On topic: even the best complexion still does not make the Warden look like a little girl.

Isn't that will contradict all the dialogues of how young and beautiful the warden is? Oh, you guys may say "beauty" is subjective...i just wait for someone saying that....

It's just taken for granted that the Warden is attractive, even if you go out of your way to make them as ugly and old as possible. 
And someone of 30 can easily look twice their age if they've had a tough, stressful, unhealthy life. Which the Warden, especially a City Elf or Dwarf Commoner, is likely to have had.

Modifié par yaw, 25 avril 2011 - 01:41 .

[yaw]

Niza wrote...

It is not about demon lying or what...it is about the script...that demon say "half your age" through Conor. Okay...now we see what demon say that...that demon is a naked female demon of desire, sure that demon know what she is saying.

What she is trying to do is taunt the woman and induce jealousy, through exaggeration and ridicule. 
The demon doesn't care how old Isolde actually is.

And the real demon here is the script writer, sure he know what he wrote.......what is the script writer thinking when wrote that line? 

He was thinking of the well-known phrase, 'half your age', which is not used literally. It's an exaggeration.
English doesn't seem to be your first langauge, so just trust us native english speakers to assure you of this.

The writer want to show that the female warden is far younger and beautiful than Isolde. And Isolde visual is not mid 40 woman, she is more like 25-30 average woman. 

The writer wanted to create a scene where the demon taunts Isolde, trying making her feel old in comparison to another woman.

This scene is not about maths and accurate calculations of age.

i am confused with the age in this game...like discussion above....How old is Alistair actually? 

A young man.
Probably early twenties to late thirties, but exact numbers don't matter.

Alistair look like the same age with Isolde by looking at their visual. But through Alistair story about he being a bastard child and how Isolde treat him, i am confused...how young Isolde when married with Arl Eamon????

A young woman. 
Probably early twenties to late thirties, but exact numbers don't matter.

How old is Connor???

A young boy.
Roughly, I would say from about 8 to 14, but exact numbers don't matter.

What's your point here? What are you trying to prove? That you can't accuratly determine age from visuals? 
When it comes to deciding if The Warden is a little girl or a woman, the answer is obvious. You don't need an accurate age.

Isn't  Connor should be the same age or little younger with Alistair?  

And how did you work that out. <_<

Modifié par yaw, 25 avril 2011 - 02:04 .

[Creature 1]

Niza wrote...

You can call me a paranoid but i believe there is an evil agenda brainwashing people mind through everything...something that is not seems wrong and acceptable are actually programmed into our mind without we realizing it...

Ok, you're paranoid. 

So, now...the Warden is underage or not is depend on the one who perceive it, aware of it or not. Only that i just realize it through the dialogues in this game...maybe i wrong, or not...but i made speculations...and so i decide to wrote it here.

And you had to work pretty darn hard to come up with those sinister speculations!  If that's what you like, here's another fun hobby for you--number code!  Let's play! 

"Elissa Cousland" adds up to 46, 4+ 6 = 10, 1 + 0 = 1.  Ok.

"Jailbait" adds up to 28, 2 + 8 = 10, 1 + 0 = 1. . .  Wait, 1 = 1, Elissa Cousland = jailbait.  OMG YOU'RE RIGHT! 

[ejoslin]

Isolde has more lines on her face than I do, and I'm 42.

Anora is 29. Nobles seem to age really well in Ferelden.

Edit: In the game, the warden is portrayed as an adult, not a child or even a teenager.  The voice of the warden is definitely an adult.  The only one you can really get a kind-of accurate age about is the dwarf noble who is in his/her early to mid twenties.  If you want to portray your warden as a 15 year old, you're welcome to do so, but there's really nothing in the game that indicates that is actually the warden's age.

Though Creature's argument IS compelling :/

Modifié par ejoslin, 25 avril 2011 - 03:15 .

[Qis]

@yaw

Okay...let say you own a cigarette company. We all know smoking is bad for health, you sell cigarette. When someone die of cancer, you say it is not your fault, because you put a warning on the cigarette box you sell saying "Smoking is bad for your health"

Or, you own a gun company, you sell guns to the army. That army invade another country killing millions of people. You say, "It is not my fault, who tell them to kill people?". maybe a kid got your gun somehow, then he brought it to school and shooting...you as the gun manufacturer didn't feel anything? Of course you don't.

It is a lame excuse in this industrial corporate world. Bioware doesn't need to answer because they have a free representatives who will answer for them...see? lols

That is all what i want to see....the warden is underage or not underage, Bioware didn't say anything about it, instead fans like you who will defend the company freely because...well...that is how the system goes on...

Fast food is healty food for your kid's growth...oh yes, there is no scientific proof that cell phone usage can lead to brain cancer....

@Iapetous303

In the east gamers are kids. It have become cultural...you will not see an adult in cyber cafe playing game, but you will see kids, similar scenario in arcades here or any "family park" (so called family park but actually the place where kids playing video games). That what you see clearly, but what about in their home?

You can see kids changing their appearance to fit their game heroes here. Hair color blue, wearing like ****...and so on...walking around...

Eastern kids tend to follow western culture, and we eastern people love to improvise. What you guys made in the west, we will make it more than you guys can imagine. You guys create rock, we create indie-rock....you guys create heavy metal, we create heavy-gothic-trash metal.....

@braindeer

I agree with you in some point..about music videos. Yup, music videos is one of the most effective in brainwashing the mass...we all changed for each 10 years following what is shown in music video...the world in 40s, 50s, 60s, 70s, 80s, 90s...are all different. It is all come from music industry.

There are evil hands behind all these.......

Modifié par Niza, 25 avril 2011 - 04:51 .

[sami jo]

Let's see... "Only children play games." is just ridiculous. I'm almost 37. My husband will be 39 in a week. All of the friends I have made on the boards are at least 20. To play 40+ hours of a video game solely for a very tame sex scene is ridiculous. Any teen can find far more graphic sex than that on their cell phone in a few minutes. Trust me on this one, I have a 16 year old (who did play the game and didn't play it for the romances.

As for the Warden's age, the lines describing the Warden are the same for either gender Warden. "Pup" is a nickname in the human noble origin for either gender. A child would not be left in charge of an arling be his/herself. In the city elf origin, it is your wedding day, so you are clearly considered an adult there. The dwarf noble is being given his/her first military command--not something one generally gives to a child. The Dalish origin has your childhood friend with his blood writing (valasllin or something similar) which is the right of passage into official adulthood, the tattoos are the default for Dalish in the creator and you are a full hunter--so by the rules of the clan a Dalish Warden is an adult. Mage Wardens have just been harrowed--the passage to full membership in the circle and your childhood friend Jowan is definitely not a child. In the dwarf castless origin you are effectively a low ranking gang member and certainly treated as an adult. All of the Wardens have the adult body type for their race. All this would suggest that the Warden was intended as an adult.

[forestmaiden86]

I actually attemped to work out character ages due to dragon age wiki and the books I think Alistair seems to be only about 18. Younger than I ever thought and Cailen around 25 so I just assumed warden was around 16-17 as someone else said it was the middle ages so not really that unsual.

[Qis]

Okay... :-)

[forestmaiden86]

the events of the calling happened in 12 Dragon Age, Cailen was born in 5 dragon age... assuming Alistair is Fiona's son which I believe is true he would be born around 12th to 13th Dragon Age , Year 30 is around when the events of Dragon age occured....which makes Alistair about 18... *blush* yeah... I'm weird and I have way to much time on my hands so I'm going to go back the the corner and whistle to myself.

[Qis]

So...Alistair is 18...thats make Isolde is about 20-25, Conor is about 8-10....so female warden is 10-12 years old....

Arl Eamon married with isolde when she is 8-10 years old...

Modifié par Niza, 25 avril 2011 - 04:54 .

[forestmaiden86]

The Orliasean occupation ended not long after Dragon Age began and it was shortly after that Isolde married Eamon because Maric didnt approve. So even if she was a baby at the start of the Dragon age it would still make her 30 but more likely she was about 15 meeting Eamon and so about 40-45

[forestmaiden86]

Conner would be around 8 because his birst was when Alistair was sent to the chantry when he was 10.