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[Holeyfield]

 

[Holeyfield]

My iPhone wouldnt let me finish the text, but yea the title says it all. I'm trying to find or make a mod to turn on tactics for the selected character in addition to the others.

[DLaren]

+1

[Sunnie]

So you want the game to just play itself during combat? /uploads_user/1070000/1069890/65949.gif
If you don't want to actually play the game, maybe you should be looking for interactive movies instead of huge RPG games?

[FpsGangsta]

Or maybe hes terrible at controlling characters.

[Elysium-Fic]

Sunnie,

I know I've personally wished for this sort of mod, just because I don't feel I get as efficient of use out of the combat skills as the AI would (especially since I've seen some truly stellar custom tactics write-ups.) My prioritization and usage of stamina/mana is not what it could be and I'm perfectionist enough to WANT my Hawke to be fighting well. Frankly, it breaks my immersion a bit to be fumbling with the controls when Hawke's supposed to be such a badass. The character I'm controlling is bound to be the most clumsy of them all, which is frankly contrary to lore.

My primary interest in the game is the story/character interaction/RP stuff rather than the hack-and-slash. I've been known on various DAO playthroughs to use the "runscript killallhostiles" command so that I could focus on the story parts rather than the combat.

But I think the DAO mod that enables tactics for the selected character hits the right balance, if I understand what it is doing properly. It enables the tactics only if you're not sending other commands to the character.

[Holeyfield]

Elysium-Fic wrote...

Sunnie,

I know I've personally wished for this sort of mod, just because I don't feel I get as efficient of use out of the combat skills as the AI would (especially since I've seen some truly stellar custom tactics write-ups.) My prioritization and usage of stamina/mana is not what it could be and I'm perfectionist enough to WANT my Hawke to be fighting well. Frankly, it breaks my immersion a bit to be fumbling with the controls when Hawke's supposed to be such a badass. The character I'm controlling is bound to be the most clumsy of them all, which is frankly contrary to lore.

My primary interest in the game is the story/character interaction/RP stuff rather than the hack-and-slash. I've been known on various DAO playthroughs to use the "runscript killallhostiles" command so that I could focus on the story parts rather than the combat.

But I think the DAO mod that enables tactics for the selected character hits the right balance, if I understand what it is doing properly. It enables the tactics only if you're not sending other commands to the character.

This is precisely what an old mod did with DA:O, and it was quite popular. Yes, I want to program the tactics and let the game handle it for me. What I would add though is that this isn't something new. Not only am I referencing an older mod that did the same for this game predecessor, but there are other games too; such as FF12.

More to the point though, and to respond to Sunnie22, there are a great many people in this world that don't posses what one would call normal dexterity; i.e. missing perhaps a hand or an arm, what have you. And even pausing the game at the start of combat makes combat itself more of a chore then anything enjoyable. So along these lines, please don't come in here trying to bash the concept. Thank you.

If anyone can offer some type of assistance it would be greatly appreciated.

[Sunnie]

@Elysium-Fic - That makes sense, I can respect that.

@Holeyfield - I get that there are people with disabilities, don't get all holier than thou here, there was no "bashing" of anything. I merely asked a question because it just seemed odd to me. Elysium-Fic actually answered the question, there was no need to try and escalate this into a confrontation.

[gambit51hawke]

@sunnie
I'm on this forum for a couple of weeks and noticed that you are a nosy rude person
The requests are to your liking you do it, and requests that are not to your liking you attempt to disqualify and that's all I'll say
@holeyfield I hope someone helps you with your request

Modifié par gambit51hawke, 21 avril 2011 - 09:46 .

[Sunnie]

@sunnie
I'm on this forum for a couple of weeks and noticed that you are a nosy rude person
The requests are to your liking you do it, and requests that are not to your liking you attempt to disqualify and that's all I'll say

And I have been here constantly for the last 14 months. You judge me by 1 comment you thought was rude, I asked what was rude about it, you never answered (someone else said it wasn't), and 1 question? Perhaps you should stop judging people you know nothing about? Just a suggestion. If you would like to discuss this further, I'll be happy to debate in PMs, this forum isn't the place for petty arguments.

Modifié par Sunnie22, 21 avril 2011 - 10:46 .

[Holeyfield]

Sunnie22 wrote...

@Elysium-Fic - That makes sense, I can respect that.

@Holeyfield - I get that there are people with disabilities, don't get all holier than thou here, there was no "bashing" of anything. I merely asked a question because it just seemed odd to me. Elysium-Fic actually answered the question, there was no need to try and escalate this into a confrontation.

Alright, well let me simply respond by first saying that I thought my response to be quite polite and hardly 'holier then thou', and to follow that by adding that if you take such offense to a single use of the word bashing then perhaps your defensive nature betrays your actual feelings on the matter?  That aside, I did indeed think I was being very polite so I'm not sure where the attitude comes from.  What else could I have said to have been more polite then?

As for the real subject at hand...

It's indeed frustrating because it seems I have to specifically come out myself and state that I am not physically able to sit around hammering game controls, that's why I play PC games instead of console games.  Anyone can look at my profile and see I've made comments on several threads, and even over at Dragon Age Nexus, and the number one problem appears to be the lacking of a good toolset for DA2 so that things like this can be made.  So for that one I blame Bioware.

I also bring that same frustration to Bioware for a simple reason...  In all of your games so far, Dragon Age, Mass Effect, and the like...  Anything that uses any kind of AI to control characters not directly controlled by the player, do you as a company not have any idea how many more people would play your games by allowing this option on all formats as a baseline?  How hard can it be?  I'm looking at you Bioware, take a small moment to consider the avid gamers who would love to enjoy your products if they could only be a little more accessible.  I doubt pleading would help, but at least give us some support here so that people can mod your games, all of them for the PC really, with an option like this.  You truly have no idea how many more customers you could have happily promoting your games for free all over the internet with just a little consideration for gamers who aren't exactly average.

Thanks.

[gambit51hawke]

constantly spend 14 months in a forum
makes you behave like an******* so you lose the skills of empathy with others and only care what is similar to yoursel

Modifié par gambit51hawke, 22 avril 2011 - 07:14 .

[Morroian]

Can we please lighten up, Sunnie provides some of the best mods for DA2.

[Holeyfield]

Indeed Sunnie22 messaged me and we exchanged words, and they seem like a very honorable person and perhaps we both misread some emotion into the text that wasn't there. All is good.

I'd hate for something like this to detract from the topic at hand, as it's quite important that anyone who can help with it toss out some ideas if at all possible, and derailing it just isn't in good character. That being said, thanks for the support just the same from everybody.

[brazen_nl]

+1

[Emperor Iaius I]

Morroian wrote...

Can we please lighten up, Sunnie provides some of the best mods for DA2.

This.


And just to be clear that I'm not taking sides, I would very much like this mod too. My favorite part about Advanced Tactics in DA:O has to be the eliminated need to jab buttons. I don't play the game to right-click over and over again, let the computer do that for me.

[TSG61373]

+1

[Holeyfield]

Anybody have any updates or know of any new mods out that might fall into this category? Thanks.

[Whailor]

I would love a way to save the tactics for each char, so that it could be loaded later. Say you play this game through three times, once for each Hawke class and to experience different endings. Other then that I usually play the game pretty much the same way when it comes to companions. But it gets annoying to constantly setting up their tactics in each and every game. If there was an option to save it and later simply load it in another game for the same char... Or maybe create, somehow, my own "tactics templates" what I could then choose, that would also be cool. No idea if such a thing could be done, even.

As for main char tactics then why not. Now I don't lack the dexterity myself or anything like that, but honestly, targeting is messed up in DA2. When you target the opponent during the fight, and you usually target their body and then right click to attack or anything, then it usually ends with your char simply running towards and then past the opponent! Apparently targeting the body does not simply work and game sees instead the ground behind that opponent, not the opponent itself. You have to target, pretty much, the dang feet of that char to actually be able to "hit it". This is utterly annoying and with all of the effects in the game which obscure the view (spell effects, combat art effects, whatever). I would love a "dynamic fight" myself as well where I can choose what I use on which opponent as the fight goes, instead of having to pause the game constantly to target some enemy, because I need to click on his toes in order to hit him in the eye and having to roll the camera around to see past or through all of the effects.

[Holeyfield]

Any updates on this front? Perhaps a new mod to cover this that I haven't seen yet? Thanks!

[Sunnie]

I'm afraid nobody is really doing any real scripting that I can tell. I see a lot of people losing interest (myself included) in the game and the modders that are still actively doing anything are basically doing retexturing and stand alone items that they have an interest in. I wish it were not the case,, I would love for you to be able to enjoy the game more, but Bioware is more to blame for their lack of giving us a toolset to keep their game alive.

[Tommy6860]

Sunnie22 wrote...
 I would love for you to be able to enjoy the game more, but Bioware is more to blame for their lack of giving us a toolset to keep their game alive.

This^ and think of how much Origins did in sales based on the modding community and the immedaite release of its  toolset. While I agree it may turn out to be too little too late since interest in DA2 is waning quickly, releasing the toolset now, may at least spur some sales and more interest.