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[IN1]

Kurzan wrote...

No I'd probably be happy in a wierd sort of way. DA2 was terrible and I don't want to have to slog through another terrible game which just diminishes the original, particularly one that has been aimed at mass market console plebs.

Mass market console plebs, eh? And you represent intellectual elite, I take it? In that case, you are well-advised to get your elementary orthography right.

Regarding Thedas: well, to be honest, it's a generic fantasy setting, after all. As long as Bioware will continue to make good games featuring memorable characters, I don't care about the background that much.

[syllogi]

I'm already done with the Dragon Age franchise. If they announce DA3 tomorrow, I'd probably just facepalm and go back to waiting for ME3 and Skyrim news. I'd be pleasantly surprised if after it's released, there are reviews that convince me that it's not a complete mess, and I'd be sad if the announcement was that there would be no more DA games produced, but it wouldn't be terribly shocking. I've gone past the point of being sad about Dragon Age. My good will as a consumer has been exhausted.

[catofnine]

I'd be sad, and then go back to clearing my gaming pile of shame.

[KLUME777]

Tommy6860 wrote...

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

Jerryk72 wrote...

The Dragon Age IP is not going away anytime soon. After playing DA2 I have an even lesser desire to crawl through DA:O again. The silent hero is so 20th century.

Stopped reading at "so 20th century".  Too indicative of the change-is-always-awesome, new-is-always-better, consume-replace-consume-replace attitude that's helping to chew up and spit out our culture.

My sentiments as well. I have no problem with change, but this kind of change is just aimed at the sole purpose of marketing and promoting consumerism, leaving little to the imagination and fostering any artisitc values..

Going by the previous poster's comment, I would think "button awesome" would fit that too, I mean, button mashing games have bene around as long as games that require imagination and creativity.

Also, you can't call a voiced PC an impovement over the Silent Protagonist, you can only call it two different styles.

The silent protagonist offers pros that Voiced PC doesnt have, and vice versa, so calling VP an improvement is unfair.

SP offers more of an ability to role play within the character, and to be that character, whilst offering huge amounts of immersion and depth, but makes the PC a less "defined character". This works well in classic RPG's like DAO.

VP offers easier access and fluidity, plus more of a defined character for the story, but also limiting the role playing options of the character, since the character is not you. This works well within games like Mass Effect.

It just comes down to personal preference, i prefer the SP, but don't say one is an "improvement" because its not, its just a different way.

[Kilshrek]

Dubya75 wrote...

I'd very VERY disappointed. I'll start drinking and most likely become an alcoholic.

lol. bonus points for knowing where to get inspiration.

anyway, if DA does die as a series then I'll just remember DAO fondly. There was no sequel.

edit : @ IN1, incidentally my wanderings brought me to this article, and your post reminded me of it. Just thought I'd share.

Modifié par Kilshrek, 21 avril 2011 - 03:05 .

[FaeQueenCory]

I will be extremely sad... I want a conclusion to Flemeth's story!
AND on the optimistic side of things: Once you've hit the bottom, you can only improve! So that means that DA3 will HAVE to be better than DA2... right?

[Killjoy Cutter]

Rockpopple wrote...

I'd give the haters their well-earned "Mission Accomplished" banner. I'm sure they'll all be thrilled. I, on the other hand, will be sad that an awesome franchise was absolutely killed because some butthurt "fans" didn't have their high expectations reached and the game was merely "good" without being "Origins x 1000"

You're evidently incapable of expressing your opinion without attempting to make anyone who doesn't agree with you look bad in some way. 

Have you considered a career in American punditry or politics?

[Killjoy Cutter]

FaeQueenCory wrote...

I will be extremely sad... I want a conclusion to Flemeth's story!
AND on the optimistic side of things: Once you've hit the bottom, you can only improve! So that means that DA3 will HAVE to be better than DA2... right?

No.  DA3 could be worse.  They could utterly misread the reaction and sales data, and think they need to try even harder to do the things that, in reality, hurt DA2.

[Rockpopple]

Save it, dude. I've been the target of far worse. If they're okay with dishing it, they can be okay with taking it.

And before you tell me "2 wrongs don't make a right", just... stop.

[Maria13]

Frankly, I'd be bloody devastated... Without a doubt I'd cry...

I love the lore and the care they put into the backdrop of these games... DA:O was a shimmering jewel, DA2 less so but still enjoyable.

[Kilshrek]

FaeQueenCory wrote...

I will be extremely sad... I want a conclusion to Flemeth's story!
AND on the optimistic side of things: Once you've hit the bottom, you can only improve! So that means that DA3 will HAVE to be better than DA2... right?

I agree with Killjoy. I wouldn't tempt fate that way. DA 3 could be a proper Diablo clone! *shudders*

edit : I realise that people could easily take that the wrong way. I like my Diablo, just not in my Dragon Age.

Modifié par Kilshrek, 21 avril 2011 - 03:24 .

[Killjoy Cutter]

Rockpopple wrote...

Save it, dude. I've been the target of far worse. If they're okay with dishing it, they can be okay with taking it.

And before you tell me "2 wrongs don't make a right", just... stop.

You're not a "target". 

I'm just pointing out a fact, and the damage it does the the validity and importance of your statements. 

It's just sad that you have to accuse people of who are disappointed with DA2 of being "butthurt" and trying to destroy Dragon Age.

[Lord Gremlin]

KLUME777 wrote...

I will be sad, and pissed off at Bioware for making a terrible sequel that killed the series.

Exactly this.

[steve3194]

really Don't see any possibility of them moving away from thedas.They're not going to create a world and after only too games leave it.Also the whole morrigan and flemeth story still hasn't been resolved and laidlaw has said in interviews that we haven't seen the end of the morrigan story.

too much potential to walk away from

[Uzaik]

Honestly, it would be a pity. Yeah, DA2 mostly sucks, but I'm in love with the lore behind Thedas. I remember passionately arguing with some friends about Orzammar and its politics, or if Loghain was truly a villain. DA2 could've been so much more. In theory, I would've enjoyed a different, not so epic story. It's just that the DA2 approach was clumsy, rushed... Then again, between the death of the franchise and DA2 reincarnated as DA3, kill it. With fire.

[Huntress]

Stardusk78 wrote...

and the franchise shuts down?

How will you react?

What will you think?

It happened before with many other games companies, the one that really upseted me was Sierra, when they stoped Quest for glory V, rofl, Stoped buying anything from them, I bought diablo and didn't come to bioware site for a very long time, I bought NWN "hordes of the underdark" platinum edition or something.. didn't like it, so I went and  got diablo2 and since then was all blizzard games.

Stoped playing World of warcraft because of Dragon age, no regrets, love the games, if they stop now I'll be very sad.

What I want from a game like this is continuity with the story they want to tell, nothing more.

[jds1bio]

Great question OP, I'm glad you asked that. I'd be more sad that all the work that has gone into creating the lore and adventure could not be further leveraged. It seems like there are too many tales left to tell.

[Tommy6860]

KLUME777 wrote...

Tommy6860 wrote...

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

Jerryk72 wrote...

The Dragon Age IP is not going away anytime soon. After playing DA2 I have an even lesser desire to crawl through DA:O again. The silent hero is so 20th century.

Stopped reading at "so 20th century".  Too indicative of the change-is-always-awesome, new-is-always-better, consume-replace-consume-replace attitude that's helping to chew up and spit out our culture.

My sentiments as well. I have no problem with change, but this kind of change is just aimed at the sole purpose of marketing and promoting consumerism, leaving little to the imagination and fostering any artisitc values..

Going by the previous poster's comment, I would think "button awesome" would fit that too, I mean, button mashing games have bene around as long as games that require imagination and creativity.

Also, you can't call a voiced PC an impovement over the Silent Protagonist, you can only call it two different styles.

The silent protagonist offers pros that Voiced PC doesnt have, and vice versa, so calling VP an improvement is unfair.

SP offers more of an ability to role play within the character, and to be that character, whilst offering huge amounts of immersion and depth, but makes the PC a less "defined character". This works well in classic RPG's like DAO.

VP offers easier access and fluidity, plus more of a defined character for the story, but also limiting the role playing options of the character, since the character is not you. This works well within games like Mass Effect.

It just comes down to personal preference, i prefer the SP, but don't say one is an "improvement" because its not, its just a different way.

Yes! Probably one of the more reasoned replies I've read here in a while. It really does come down to taste and I will never say that VP cannot be part of role-playing, though like you, I more than prefer the SP. The VP worked very well in Mass Effect for example. My problem with DA2 is not that there's VP, but that the story is so disjointed, areas so re-used and the scripting of the dialogue was poorly written, that having a VP just added to the poor quality, which, IMO, didn't define DA2 as an RPG as much as an action/adventure game. Some of the responses just came across as blunt, aside from many times the answers/questions I chose just didn't fit the responses.

[Tommy6860]

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

Rockpopple wrote...

I'd give the haters their well-earned "Mission Accomplished" banner. I'm sure they'll all be thrilled. I, on the other hand, will be sad that an awesome franchise was absolutely killed because some butthurt "fans" didn't have their high expectations reached and the game was merely "good" without being "Origins x 1000"

You're evidently incapable of expressing your opinion without attempting to make anyone who doesn't agree with you look bad in some way. 

Have you considered a career in American punditry or politics?

This^ and I sometimes get the feeling I am hearing O'Reilly, Hannity or Beck.

[FubarCFSnafu]

Are you kidding, it should be ended. There will never be another game with such an awesome button.

Lets be honest, everything is downhill from here, I have pressed many buttons in DA2 and I saw awesome things happen. Nothing will ever approach the original.

[Night Prowler76]

Meh. at this point I wouldnt care all that much, if it will continue like DA2, then I pray that they dont make anymore DA games.

[Shadowbanner]

Stardusk78 wrote...

and the franchise shuts down?

How will you react?

What will you think?

It would be a terrible loss.

I would first be angry, then in denial mode and finally accept it.

Nah, it won't be cancelled, they are already doing DA3.

Hopefully they'll listen to us CUSTOMERS (= Canadian Dollars) 
 

[Persephone]

Well, my final thought is this: The DA franchise is far from dead. So why the doom and gloom?

Happy thoughts, people, happy thoughts!

The holidays are comin' up after all, so let us all be merry. The Biodrones and the Haters, The Sheep and The Cattle and the Biobots and the Black Dots.

[errant_knight]

I would be shocked beyond belief. One misstep isn't the end of the world. It's happened to lots of entertainment franchises--games, books, and movies. They wanted to make a different kind of game, and instead of making a new franchise to do it, they tried to completely refashion a popular, existing one, which didn't fly for a lot of people.

If DA2 had been an entirely new game, it would have been received better, I'm sure. Well, if they hadn't had all those reused areas and obvious shortcuts like completely trivial fetch quests ('Oh, thanks for finding that meaningless item, person I've never met before and have no connection to. I never thought I'd see it again.') , and might have found a fanbase that was looking for an action game with a Bioware plot. We know it exists, because some people love DA2.

To get the whole DA:O fanbase back, though, and to stop the backlash, they have to remember what DA:O was in the first place and make that kind of game, instead of putting it down, and telling us that we're wrong to love the style of game that created the fanbase in the firstplace.

The thing is, a game like DA:O takes a big time/money investment, because it was the player control of all aspects of play, including larger amounts of NPC conversation and attention to detail that made it what it was. Much of the NPC dialogue was replaced by PC dialogue, so instead of getting to know the NPCs to a greater degree and really feeling connected, we got to hear ourselves speak. Compare the codex in the two games. The one in DA:O blew the DA2 one away and made the world seem real. Will they ever make a game like that again? Maybe not. And if they don't, whether the franchise continues or not, I'll be very, very sad.

Modifié par errant_knight, 21 avril 2011 - 05:20 .

[Lord_Saulot]

Stardusk78 wrote...

and the franchise shuts down?

How will you react?

What will you think?

I would have mixed feelings.  One the one hand, I would be disappointed to see a lot of the promise of the setting abandoned, but I would also be able to still enjoy the excellent game (Origins) and the decent game (DA2) that they produced.  Honestly though, the future of the franchise, as it relates to me, depends on whether they are going to continue to drift away from the Origins path as well as what other changes they make for 3.