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[Curlain]

 Having just read this in another thread:

David Gaider wrote...

If you felt less connected to your followers, that's too bad. There could be many reasons for that, but if the requirement to someone feeling connected is having long, rambling conversations in the party camp... I can safely say that's unlikely to happen again. I could see front-loading the characters a bit more so players are more thoroughly introduced (as it was, a lot of the character interaction ended up in Act 2 quite by accident) but I have absolutely no intention of returning to the reams of expository dialogue as a replacement for character development anytime soon.

I don't personally think the DA series will be for me at all.  I'm don't wish it's demise though, as there are a number of people who like DA2 and they should be able to continue playing the series they like (it's just sad to know I won't be in that audience)

[MelfinaofOutlawStar]

Curlain wrote...

 Having just read this in another thread:

David Gaider wrote...

If you felt less connected to your followers, that's too bad. There could be many reasons for that, but if the requirement to someone feeling connected is having long, rambling conversations in the party camp... I can safely say that's unlikely to happen again. I could see front-loading the characters a bit more so players are more thoroughly introduced (as it was, a lot of the character interaction ended up in Act 2 quite by accident) but I have absolutely no intention of returning to the reams of expository dialogue as a replacement for character development anytime soon.

I don't personally think the DA series will be for me at all.  I'm don't wish it's demise though, as there are a number of people who like DA2 and they should be able to continue playing the series they like (it's just sad to know I won't be in that audience)

Well Mr. Gaider it's not just the fact that we couldn't have lengthy conversations with our companions but that you blacked out years of Hawke's life so we never grew with them either. They continued on without us while we were in stasis. Seems like the whole development team is full of gits.

[Rockpopple]

To be fair, I believe Gaider was specifically responding to a question about direct companion interaction. I also believe he has a fair point.

[Gorionsson]

Huntress wrote...

Gorionsson wrote...


No.

Other developers make better action/adventure games(yes, that is what DA2 is). 
Let's hope a different developer tries the classic RPG formula again.
I just can't see Bioware do a u-turn on this now.

If Bioware did ( I hope not) a U-turn, we will get what so many players didn't like from DAO:
1) Mute main character. Many players wanted a voice character, and yet they are not happy with it.. ****** against the wind, it makes you look smarter! I never care if it had a voice or not, I just want to have fun when I turn the game on.
2) character not responding to attacks, like in Origens, mages get beat up and they just DON'T move, crazy I know!.
3) one colour for different tiers of gear. yes everyone loved them so much.. NOT.
4) Save the world at the end of the game. Well everyone got tired of saving a world ( not me).. "get real it sux to always save the world." " I want to have power!!!"

This are the things that many players didn't like, this are the things that are in DA2, and yet, they are NOT happy about it..
For the Maker glorious ******, make your darn mind...<_<

It's nice that you like certain changes, I just didn't.
All this "many players" and "everyone" is quite funny considering the game's overall reception.
And: Lay off the coffee....

[Huntress]

Gorionsson wrote...

Huntress wrote...

Gorionsson wrote...


No.

Other developers make better action/adventure games(yes, that is what DA2 is). 
Let's hope a different developer tries the classic RPG formula again.
I just can't see Bioware do a u-turn on this now.

If Bioware did ( I hope not) a U-turn, we will get what so many players didn't like from DAO:
1) Mute main character. Many players wanted a voice character, and yet they are not happy with it.. ****** against the wind, it makes you look smarter! I never care if it had a voice or not, I just want to have fun when I turn the game on.
2) character not responding to attacks, like in Origens, mages get beat up and they just DON'T move, crazy I know!.
3) one colour for different tiers of gear. yes everyone loved them so much.. NOT.
4) Save the world at the end of the game. Well everyone got tired of saving a world ( not me).. "get real it sux to always save the world." " I want to have power!!!"

This are the things that many players didn't like, this are the things that are in DA2, and yet, they are NOT happy about it..
For the Maker glorious ******, make your darn mind...<_<

It's nice that you like certain changes, I just didn't.
All this "many players" and "everyone" is quite funny considering the game's overall reception.
And: Lay off the coffee....

Ho! rofl, I didn't want DAO to be stopped, I didn't like many of the changes, and when I say: many, most, everyone that wanted X or Y, I do not lie.

Many posts in DAO were made asking for all this things, many post were made of how awakening character interaction was way better than DAO, many wanted voice character because Main character warden was a blank sheet, many wanted a new character because their warden was dead, many wanted not to save the world, many wanted characters to respond to an attack. you didn't? good, I didn't like the idea of a new character in every game, but guess what, my opinion was shadowed by players who wanted all this things!!!
I didn't even like the demo.. I complained and B!tched about until the game came out.

But now this same people who asked for all this wonderful things are QQuing around.. thats what bother me, if the game was about the warden in kirkwall doign exactly the samething as hawk, saving either templars or mages, It would have been just fine for me, NONE of my warden's are dead, got it? I just pointing out what so many OTHER people wanted, and they got it. Likeing or not, they ( bioware) did listen.

Modifié par Huntress, 22 avril 2011 - 06:52 .

[i love lamp x3]

they're already working da3 and da2 has sold faster than da:o. there is no danger of this happening

[blueruin]

I'm not a fan of the direction that Dragon Age is going in. Laidlaw has made clear that they're staying the course though, and I don't think that I would care very much anymore if the franchise dies here and now. I think I would just find it funny.

One thing that I think is almost certain is that Dragon Age isn't going back to Origins. If Dragon Age is a failure and they internally admit to this, I would think that EA would sooner ditch the franchise, cut their losses and allocate to something more profitable rather than allow the proper time and resources to make a RPG game with quality and depth (what did DA:O take, 5 years?).

In the end though, I bet they made a killing on DA2 (relative to how little they probably spent on it) thanks to an amazing marketing blitz and the reputation of the first game.  But alienating a good portion of the fans who loved the first game and releasing a rushed game is not a recipe for ensuring future sales, and they had to have known this.  I guess the DLC sales will be especially telling.

Modifié par blueruin, 22 avril 2011 - 09:11 .

[lobi]

blueruin wrote...

I'm not a fan of the direction that Dragon Age is going in. Laidlaw has made clear that they're staying the course though, and I don't think that I would care very much anymore if the franchise dies here and now. I think I would just find it funny.

One thing that I think is almost certain is that Dragon Age isn't going back to Origins. If Dragon Age is a failure and they internally admit to this, I would think that EA would sooner ditch the franchise, cut their losses and allocate to something more profitable rather than allow the proper time and resources to make a RPG game with quality and depth (what did DA:O take, 5 years?).

In the end though, I bet they made a killing on DA2 (relative to how little they probably spent on it) thanks to an amazing marketing blitz and the reputation of the first game.

yep, it's all over.
Time to get a job and spend my evenings at dinner parties and theatre performances.
R.I.P. The Warden (cue violins)

[dannii2]

Yes, I would be very sad indeed.

Although there are some things about DA:2 that didn't quite do it for me, I personally can set most of them aside because overall I enjoyed it. Sure I hope they build on the some of the constructive feedback for any DLCs and for DA:3 but as long as the same story writers are involved, I will buy the next installment(s).

x

[graavigala85]

 I would be sad to see DA-franchise die so young and angry that Bioware/EA ****ed the game.

Now DA2 is good game, I like it, but it could be soooooooooooo much better

[Serpieri Nei]

For me DA2 - already killed the franchise. Only time will tell if DA3 brings it back.

[Cybermortis]

Melca36 wrote...

tiernanlshaw wrote...

at the end of the day it would kind of suck, yeah. cant say i would hold a candlelight vigil over it. at the end of the day its a game. plus all good things come to an end anyway except for james bond and apparently rocky. it cant keep going forever. still i think theyll make at least one more. the stories are great. thats what counts. i dont get people calling out da2 for being buggy. as a console player it was FAR less buggy than playing origins on either my ps3 or my xbox.

i think the best thing bioware could do would be to stop trying to please a pc crowd that is quite obvioulsy impossible to please unless the game is designed with specifically them in mind. the best thing they could do is design it 100% for the consoles and just throw up a pc port for peeps who play it for the story. its impossible to make an rpg that is functional on a console that pc players wont thrash to death. its just a niche thats far to stuck in their ways imo.

to me its far more likely that the unending hate da2 is recieving on the boards and at metacritic will result in the further abandoning of the pc demographic. its just way to small a market to have to work this hard to try to please. i hardly touch my pc anymore. id rather sit down for da2 on my ps3 than play a game on my pc that has a combat system as old and tired as bg.

what you have to look at is the reviews of the people that review games for a living. the publisher meta is like 82 or 83. thats about what the game was. would have been a lot better without the reused maps and if the city had been as "alive" as promised. everything else was great. 82 aint bad. and im sorry, but i just cant take anything seriously from a demo that bashes me2 as a dissapointment when its quite frankly one of the most critically acclaimed games of all time. there was very very littel wrong with me2 and its prolly my favorite rpg ever and ive been playing rpg's since king's quest 2 on the ibm pcjr (still kinda irked about getting moral lectures when typing to kill anything, lol).

video game devolopers need to just let the pc crowd die. its not worth this much heartache. dont even release the next one on pc is what i say. theyre just gonna accuse you of making a crappy console rpg and porting it to pc anyway. you cannot please these people.

You do realize there are consolers complaining just as much about this game.

I have a 360, a Wii,  and I play games on the PC.  Some games simply do not fit on the console. Why do they have to be dumbed down to appeal to people who are too lazy to begin with?

PC Games have been predicted to die 10 years ago and they are still around. THEY ARE NOT GOING TO DIE OUT! 

If some consolers were not so lazy and arrogant, they would not have had to streamline this game so much. Face it...THE FAULT GOES BOTH WAYS!!!! 

So please don't blame everything on PC users. 

False logic at work again.

The perception that console users are 'dumb' seems to be based on the types of games they buy...and ignores that there are not many (if any) deeper, complex games for them to buy in the first-place. It would be like Ford declaring that everyone wants to buy red cars when cars only come in that colour.

As I've noted before, there is no technical or practical reason why you couldn't make games for consoles that are as deep and 'big' as anything made for PC's.

Rather than 'dumbing down' PC games for consoles, maybe games companies should start raising the intelligence of PC games for the consoles instead.

[Kajan451]

Stardusk78 wrote...

and the franchise shuts down?

How will you react?

What will you think?

I wouldn't care as much, buying other games from other publishers.

And what i would think? For the arrogance some of their team display it serves them right.

[Mr_Steph]

:crying::crying::crying::crying::crying: 

[BY-TOR STORMDRAGON]

I will never pre-order a game again, this is certain. I waited 2 years and bought Origins: Ultimate, and was floored. I expected greatness after the demo of DA 2. woops. But I still like the game, but let's get back to the dragon age, and away from an echo of Mass Defect. This game can still be saved if some amazing DLC is released that ties up 100 plot lines.
I still see Flemeth helping Hawke become a Shapeshifter. Oh, then he could Bar-B-Que a whole lotta dorkspawn!!! (Wishful thinking.)

[The Spirit of Dance]

I'd be sad but i'd get over it... eventually

[MDarwin]

DA2 kind of Story telling, they can keep it. That type of Story implementation is not to my personal liking.
But I do respect that it is their Story telling/implementation. It is just not to my liking.

So I wouldn't care much, if the DA Franchise goes belly up. As BW will go further down the DA2 track.

Modifié par MDarwin, 22 avril 2011 - 11:59 .

[Foadumf]

How can anyone like the DA:O dialogue? It was completely manufactured so you get to certain points in some discussion that most normal people wouldn't give two ****s about.

OMG Morrigan, tell me the story of the stupid mirror you stole PLEASE and take 10 minutes doing it!

People want to complain about DA2 and take the story completely out of context. It was a story being retold, I'm sure anyone who retells a story doesn't add all of the BS that happened that doesn't have anything to do with the rest of the story.

And if you do, I'm sure the people listening are saying to themselves "FFS get to the end of the story already."

[Lumikki]

I think it would be better if every game is set they own "virtual" world setting. It seems that players are unable to handle series without allways complaining, how things get changed.

[MassEffect762]

Serpieri Nei wrote...

For me DA2 - already killed the franchise. Only time will tell if DA3 brings it back.

It's the lack of commitment to story/character progression and consequences to the series that's annoying me.

It's always a new pc, cameos/letters and lame cliffhangers with them.

Go somewhere with the darn thing! Way too many loose ends.

They'll half-arse/retcon it regardless but atleast get to the point of it all.

[element eater]

disappointed, but after da2 id rather see the series end then get continually diluted down its always more disappointing to see some thing you liked being drawn out

[gotthammer]

@ OP:
Yeah, I guess I'd be sad for a while (I mean,  I did want to play as The Warden again and see what happens after the Witch Hunt DLC), but, then, DA isn't the only game series/franchise out there.

If there isn't a DA3 after DA2, I guess I wouldn't be surprised. *shrugs*

IF there will be a DA3, I just hope it's a 'return' to DA:O's style/approach. (having the Warden back as the primary protagonist would be a big plus for me, too )