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[Kaiser Shepard]

Nah, I doubt they won't simply write a Scenario B for Sten, like their MO is shaping up to be looking at Leliana and Anders. Assuming we don't play Hawke or have his companions again (or the Warden's, I suppose), it wouldn't even have to be explained. Were it to be explained, though, we'll most likely hear how he broke out or was released when the Blight hit Lothering.

If they can rewrite Leliana and Anders into coming back from the death, there's no doubt they can justify Sten surviving and becoming Arishok regardless.

[Rifneno]

Kaiser Shepard wrote...

Nah, I doubt they won't simply write a Scenario B for Sten, like their MO is shaping up to be looking at Leliana and Anders. Assuming we don't play Hawke or have his companions again (or the Warden's, I suppose), it wouldn't even have to be explained. Were it to be explained, though, we'll most likely hear how he broke out or was released when the Blight hit Lothering.

If they can rewrite Leliana and Anders into coming back from the death, there's no doubt they can justify Sten surviving and becoming Arishok regardless.

Yeah, that's what I meant when I said I'm not saying they "won't" just that it won't make much sense if they do.  They can of course, it'd just be bad writing.

[TEWR]

Kaiser Shepard wrote...

I wonder how long it will take for the qunari to now utterly and completely break the Llomerryn Accord, given how it seems that they only went so far as to enter a truce (and maintain it for one and a half centuries) to make sure their precious relic wasn't destroyed. As of 9:34 Dragon, we either have one of the following situations:

1.) Tome of Koslun returned to the qunari, no reason for them to hold back anymore.
2.) Isabela possibly on the run with the relic, no reason for the qunari to hold back now that they're so close to it (if she in fact did escape).

The Arishok's "One day, we shall return..." also seems to foreshadow an impending war with the qunari, possibly during the upcoming war with the mages. The thing I personally am looking forward to most is 'meeting' the new Arishok, assuming the current one died, for he will most likely be a Sten we all know and love...

Now I really want Sten to be the new Arishok. Especially if the Qunari invade during the Mage War and the Warden returns.

Sten: Warden. I had hoped we wouldn't meet on the battlefield
Warden: I as well Sten. I as well.

[EmperorSahlertz]

Sten won't ever be Arishok. Sten is a Sten. That is his role, to be anything else would be a lie.

[Sarcastic Tasha]

Every time I'd give the relic to Isabela if she asked. The qunari are ****s so bugger them.

[TEWR]

EmperorSahlertz wrote...

Sten won't ever be Arishok. Sten is a Sten. That is his role, to be anything else would be a lie.

sadly that is the problem.

Unless the Tamassrans reeducate him and upon doing so he shows himself to be best suited for the Arishok role now that the former Arishok is dead. Could that happen?

[EmperorSahlertz]

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

EmperorSahlertz wrote...

Sten won't ever be Arishok. Sten is a Sten. That is his role, to be anything else would be a lie.

sadly that is the problem.

Unless the Tamassrans reeducate him and upon doing so he shows himself to be best suited for the Arishok role now that the former Arishok is dead. Could that happen?

Not likely. For him to be reeducated he would have had to have converted to another belief in the first place. That or the Tamssrans would have to admit to have made a mistake, which (like with any governmental body) is unlikely to happen.
Chances are they will screen all the children they have in current training for a successor. Test they don't try unless a leader is needed.

[TEWR]

EmperorSahlertz wrote...

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

EmperorSahlertz wrote...

Sten won't ever be Arishok. Sten is a Sten. That is his role, to be anything else would be a lie.

sadly that is the problem.

Unless the Tamassrans reeducate him and upon doing so he shows himself to be best suited for the Arishok role now that the former Arishok is dead. Could that happen?

Not likely. For him to be reeducated he would have had to have converted to another belief in the first place. That or the Tamssrans would have to admit to have made a mistake, which (like with any governmental body) is unlikely to happen.
Chances are they will screen all the children they have in current training for a successor. Test they don't try unless a leader is needed.

He was with the Warden and friends and not his Beresaad brothers, so wouldn't that be cause enough for the Tamassrans to make sure he's still devoted to the Qun? And upon doing so Sten proves he'd make a capable Arishok?

There's so little we know of the Qunari way of life. Every time we find out one thing, five more questions pop up.

Modifié par The Ethereal Writer Redux, 24 avril 2011 - 10:10 .

[EmperorSahlertz]

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

EmperorSahlertz wrote...

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

EmperorSahlertz wrote...

Sten won't ever be Arishok. Sten is a Sten. That is his role, to be anything else would be a lie.

sadly that is the problem.

Unless the Tamassrans reeducate him and upon doing so he shows himself to be best suited for the Arishok role now that the former Arishok is dead. Could that happen?

Not likely. For him to be reeducated he would have had to have converted to another belief in the first place. That or the Tamssrans would have to admit to have made a mistake, which (like with any governmental body) is unlikely to happen.
Chances are they will screen all the children they have in current training for a successor. Test they don't try unless a leader is needed.

He was with the Warden and friends and not his Beresaad brothers, so wouldn't that be cause enough for the Tamassrans to make sure he's still devoted to the Qun? And upon doing so Sten proves he'd make a capable Arishok?

There's so little we know of the Qunari way of life. Every time we find out one thing, five more questions pop up.

We know that they value mastery of themselves, and that they believe that once you have found yourself, there is no reason to change. Sten is a Sten, he will never change as long as he is Qunari.
He completed his mission even though his Beresaad brothers died. If anyhting they will upgrade his rank to Sten Mk. II

[Fast Jimmy]

What if Sten Mk II is The Arishok?

[EmperorSahlertz]

Fast Jimmy wrote...

What if Sten Mk II is The Arishok?

It isn't. A Sten Mk. II would just be a Sten of higher rank than other Stens. Like if several Stens were in a group, our Sten would be the one calling the shots.

[TEWR]

EmperorSahlertz wrote...

Fast Jimmy wrote...

What if Sten Mk II is The Arishok?

It isn't. A Sten Mk. II would just be a Sten of higher rank than other Stens. Like if several Stens were in a group, our Sten would be the one calling the shots.

Sten - an infantry platoon commander.

The Arishok has authority over all of the military as well as being one of the three pillars of the Triumvirate. It makes sense that a Sten Mk II would be the Arishok. The Arishok is basically a Sten with more duties and responsibilities.

So I wouldn't rule it out just yet.

[EmperorSahlertz]

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

EmperorSahlertz wrote...

Fast Jimmy wrote...

What if Sten Mk II is The Arishok?

It isn't. A Sten Mk. II would just be a Sten of higher rank than other Stens. Like if several Stens were in a group, our Sten would be the one calling the shots.

Sten - an infantry platoon commander.

The Arishok has authority over all of the military as well as being one of the three pillars of the Triumvirate. It makes sense that a Sten Mk II would be the Arishok. The Arishok is basically a Sten with more duties and responsibilities.

So I wouldn't rule it out just yet.

An Arishok is the leader of the body of the Qunari. He is responsible for a whole lot more different things than a Sten would ever be. He has to strategize, plan and lead the Qunari as a whole instead of just his Platoon.
Yes, rule it out. Unless they revolutionize the Qunari society.

[TEWR]

EmperorSahlertz wrote...

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

EmperorSahlertz wrote...

Fast Jimmy wrote...

What if Sten Mk II is The Arishok?

It isn't. A Sten Mk. II would just be a Sten of higher rank than other Stens. Like if several Stens were in a group, our Sten would be the one calling the shots.

Sten - an infantry platoon commander.

The Arishok has authority over all of the military as well as being one of the three pillars of the Triumvirate. It makes sense that a Sten Mk II would be the Arishok. The Arishok is basically a Sten with more duties and responsibilities.

So I wouldn't rule it out just yet.

An Arishok is the leader of the body of the Qunari. He is responsible for a whole lot more different things than a Sten would ever be. He has to strategize, plan and lead the Qunari as a whole instead of just his Platoon.
Yes, rule it out. Unless they revolutionize the Qunari society.

well, I just made a discussion regarding the choosing of an Arishok.

Interestingly, most of my discussions have been about topics you and I discuss beforehand.

[EmperorSahlertz]

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

EmperorSahlertz wrote...

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

EmperorSahlertz wrote...

Fast Jimmy wrote...

What if Sten Mk II is The Arishok?

It isn't. A Sten Mk. II would just be a Sten of higher rank than other Stens. Like if several Stens were in a group, our Sten would be the one calling the shots.

Sten - an infantry platoon commander.

The Arishok has authority over all of the military as well as being one of the three pillars of the Triumvirate. It makes sense that a Sten Mk II would be the Arishok. The Arishok is basically a Sten with more duties and responsibilities.

So I wouldn't rule it out just yet.

An Arishok is the leader of the body of the Qunari. He is responsible for a whole lot more different things than a Sten would ever be. He has to strategize, plan and lead the Qunari as a whole instead of just his Platoon.
Yes, rule it out. Unless they revolutionize the Qunari society.

well, I just made a discussion regarding the choosing of an Arishok.

Interestingly, most of my discussions have been about topics you and I discuss beforehand.

They always say history repeats itself

Just look at the average mage/templar thread

[Big I]

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

Sten - an infantry platoon commander.

The Arishok has authority over all of the military as well as being one of the three pillars of the Triumvirate. It makes sense that a Sten Mk II would be the Arishok. The Arishok is basically a Sten with more duties and responsibilities.

So I wouldn't rule it out just yet.

I always assumed that the tamasrans only dictated profession, not rank, e.g. telling Sten he's in the Beresad, not that he's a Sten in the Beresad.

[TEWR]

EmperorSahlertz wrote...

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

well, I just made a discussion regarding the choosing of an Arishok.

Interestingly, most of my discussions have been about topics you and I discuss beforehand.

They always say history repeats itself

Just look at the average mage/templar thread

Good point.

[Augustei]

EmperorSahlertz wrote...

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

EmperorSahlertz wrote...

Fast Jimmy wrote...

What if Sten Mk II is The Arishok?

It isn't. A Sten Mk. II would just be a Sten of higher rank than other Stens. Like if several Stens were in a group, our Sten would be the one calling the shots.

Sten - an infantry platoon commander.

The Arishok has authority over all of the military as well as being one of the three pillars of the Triumvirate. It makes sense that a Sten Mk II would be the Arishok. The Arishok is basically a Sten with more duties and responsibilities.

So I wouldn't rule it out just yet.

An Arishok is the leader of the body of the Qunari. He is responsible for a whole lot more different things than a Sten would ever be. He has to strategize, plan and lead the Qunari as a whole instead of just his Platoon.
Yes, rule it out. Unless they revolutionize the Qunari society.

Not to mention all of stens charges died under his command...

[Rifneno]

XxDeonxX wrote...

EmperorSahlertz wrote...

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

EmperorSahlertz wrote...

Fast Jimmy wrote...

What if Sten Mk II is The Arishok?

It isn't. A Sten Mk. II would just be a Sten of higher rank than other Stens. Like if several Stens were in a group, our Sten would be the one calling the shots.

Sten - an infantry platoon commander.

The Arishok has authority over all of the military as well as being one of the three pillars of the Triumvirate. It makes sense that a Sten Mk II would be the Arishok. The Arishok is basically a Sten with more duties and responsibilities.

So I wouldn't rule it out just yet.

An Arishok is the leader of the body of the Qunari. He is responsible for a whole lot more different things than a Sten would ever be. He has to strategize, plan and lead the Qunari as a whole instead of just his Platoon.
Yes, rule it out. Unless they revolutionize the Qunari society.

Not to mention all of stens charges died under his command...

All of the DA2 Arishok's charges died under his command, and with a lot more blame on him.  Sten was going in blind, they didn't know what the blight was.  A commander can't be blamed for losing his men to a foe he has no knowledge of.  The Arishok on the other hand, he basically killed his own troops.  The reason the qunari are managing to do as well as they are is because they have the element of surprise.  Once that's over and the three main forces (the city guard, the mages, and the templars) rallied their forces for a united counterattack, it's over for the qunari.  They simply didn't have the numbers to hold Kirkwall.  Even if by some miracle they did manage to take Kirkwall, the rest of the Free Marches would gather their forces and attack.  It's quite possible nearby nations, especially Ferelden, would aid in the assault.  An exalted march isn't even out of the question.  There is absolutely no chance that they could get reinforcements from Par Vollen before being overwhelmed.  None.  It was a suicide mission and the Arishok damn well knew it.

[Augustei]

his numbers fell due to fanatics and zealots of the chantry over a period of a few years, and not every Qunari in Kirkwall died, many survived as we see with the retrieval quest in Act 3 where we have to collect a bunch of their weapons so they can return to Par Vollen without being killed - An Exalted March was quite likely out of the question as well as support from other nations outside the Free Marches due to the fact that the Qunari weren't the ones that broke the Llomeryn Accord the Chantry did when they killed members of the Qun. And Ferelden support? Extremely unlikely since A) They know so very little of the Qunari threat and have never dealt with them outside of Sten which was an isolated incident in a village soon after destroyed by the blight.
Not to mention Ferelden was devistated by a blight.

Anderfels? Run by Grey Wardens who would wish to maintain neutrality. Orlais would know of their mission looking for the Tomb of Koslun since they were the ones returning it to them and the Grand Cleric would inform them of how Chantry fanatics killed their people anyway.

Antiva, has no army, Tevinter is already at war with them, Rivain isn't under Chantry control is disconnected with the rest of Thedas essentially apart from Par Vollen and Seheron the Qunari nations since many Rivainians are under the Qun.

It would have been a war simply with the Free Marches and maybe Nevarra but then that can be tied back to the chantry since they are Andrastian.

War with Free Marches, like Stroud / Alistair says instead of saying "War with Thedas" they say Free Marches.

Since Kirkwall is on the coast and all the major city states are to the north save for the small and minor Ostwick they still had an escape oppotunity. Plus a bunch of Kirkwall nobles as hostages

So suicide mission? not quite. Exalted March? unlikely. Support of other nations? unlikely

Kirkwall would not be able to obtain reinforcements from the rest of the free marches before being possibly overwhealmed or the Qunari escaping anyway

Modifié par XxDeonxX, 25 avril 2011 - 12:41 .

[Urazz]

EmperorSahlertz wrote...

Sten won't ever be Arishok. Sten is a Sten. That is his role, to be anything else would be a lie.

Actually, couldn't he become the Arishok?  If I recall didn't the Arishok say that a soldier can basically choose to be what he wants within that role he is part of?  Since the Arishok is the military leader, I'd imagine any soldier can become the Arishok if skilled enough to be picked as one.

Modifié par Urazz, 25 avril 2011 - 01:52 .

[EmperorSahlertz]

Urazz wrote...

EmperorSahlertz wrote...

Sten won't ever be Arishok. Sten is a Sten. That is his role, to be anything else would be a lie.

Actually, couldn't he become the Arishok?  If I recall didn't the Arishok say that a soldier can basically choose to be what he wants within that role he is part of?  Since the Arishok is the military leader, I'd imagine any soldier can become the Arishok if skilled enough to be picked as one.

The free choice the solider had, was to either be a soldier, or choose death. That's at least how I understood the Arishok. Since a soldier is unlikely to just "choose" his role within the military.

[Crow_22]

Well.... What makes sense to me is that the Tome of Koslun was a special relic from a long lost past. Kinda like the U.S. Declaration of Independence, if someone stole that then there would be hell to pay and we'd go ape **** (pardon my language,) on whoever took it. The Qunari also have a very strict religion and culture.... They see it as a special item for their belief, the Qun, and take it very seriously (Among other things).

So it didn't strike me as shocking when all they were there for was a book... I laughed, but that's it. Because of the strict code of conduct that Sten mentions in Origins, it just made sense to me of why the Qunari was there.

And btw, anyone who is debating over the roles. Arishoks, Stens, ect. are choosen at birth by the religous leader... The name of them leaves me, but they choose what you will be and train you ALL your life. If they say your a Sten, your a Sten. If you are a Arishok, you will be trained as an Arishok

Note*: I would think that they have a 'Coming of Age' Ritual like most Tribal cultures so therefore to pick what your life would fill out as.

[Rifneno]

Crow_22 wrote...

Well.... What makes sense to me is that the Tome of Koslun was a special relic from a long lost past. Kinda like the U.S. Declaration of Independence, if someone stole that then there would be hell to pay and we'd go ape **** (pardon my language,) on whoever took it. The Qunari also have a very strict religion and culture.... They see it as a special item for their belief, the Qun, and take it very seriously (Among other things).

So it didn't strike me as shocking when all they were there for was a book... I laughed, but that's it. Because of the strict code of conduct that Sten mentions in Origins, it just made sense to me of why the Qunari was there.

And btw, anyone who is debating over the roles. Arishoks, Stens, ect. are choosen at birth by the religous leader... The name of them leaves me, but they choose what you will be and train you ALL your life. If they say your a Sten, your a Sten. If you are a Arishok, you will be trained as an Arishok

Note*: I would think that they have a 'Coming of Age' Ritual like most Tribal cultures so therefore to pick what your life would fill out as.

If it turns out that is how they appoint an Arishok, as they do the more minor roles, it'd be magnificantly stupid on their part.  They train someone from childhood for that role, meaning the qunari will be without a military leader for years, possibly decades.  Power vaccuums are never good.

[EmperorSahlertz]

Qunaris have no power vacuums. If there are no Arishok, that is simply just how it is then. No Qunari general would try to step up and take power. They would just continue with their last given order.