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[100k]

So then, the question should be, what will we find when we crack Harbinger's shell?

Modifié par 100k, 22 avril 2011 - 03:05 .

[NoUserNameHere]

88mphSlayer wrote...

the derelict reaper itself is a plot hole anyways - need proof of the reapers Shepard? also why is Cerberus using humans and not robots?

Any team sent to verify it would've just been indoctrinated or eaten by husks.  

[Gyroscopic_Trout]

I'd imagine the finished product would look like Pilot from Farscape. It's probably just a convenience so that we can crawl inside one in ME3 and essentially fight it's 'brain'.

And the reason we never saw anything like that on the derelict is because it was a wreck with a great big hole shot through it by a super space gun. During the mission, the records say that it was essentially brain dead, so presumably the 'pilot' was destroyed 36 million years ago.

Modifié par Gyroscopic_Trout, 22 avril 2011 - 03:51 .

[Bluko]

100k wrote...

So then, the question should be, what will we find when we crack Harbinger's shell?

Hopefully candy. And most likely Marvin Martian.



"Curse you Earth creature!"

[didymos1120]

100k wrote...

So then, the question should be, what will we find when we crack Harbinger's shell?

A creamy, nougaty center.  Or just a scared little boy Reaper who only wanted to be loved. 

[didymos1120]

Gyroscopic_Trout wrote...

And the reason we never saw anything like that on the derelict is because it was a wreck with a great big hole shot through it by a super space gun.

That and we explored a couple tiny areas. Easily over 90% of the interior was inaccessible to us. Also: us finding something like that would have sort of made the endboss redundant.

[AdmiralCheez]

mrsph wrote...

How many licks does it take to get to the center of Harbinger?

The world may never know.

BAD THOUGHTS.  BAD THOUGHTS.  BRAIN BLEACH.

[Bluko]

mrsph wrote...

How many licks does it take to get to the center of Harbinger?

The world may never know.

The better question would be: how many Widow shots does it take to get to the center of a Reaper?

1 - 2 - 3!

[IntrepidProdigy]

I'm laughing aimlessly at some of the people's angst in this thread from what I said. It's as if I...shot someone's puppy, except everyone thinks that puppy was a puppy inside of a puppy (say that five times fast). That said, how was it unreasonable to assume that it was a plot hole when we actually went inside of a reaper? I'd say it was about as baseless as making claims from concept art that didn't make the cut.

Modifié par IntrepidProdigy, 22 avril 2011 - 06:21 .

[didymos1120]

IntrepidProdigy wrote...

 That said, how was it unreasonable to assume that it was a plot hole when we actually went inside of a reaper?

Because, for the nth time, we saw only the tiniest fraction of the interior of a heavily damaged, dead reaper.  I mean, just look around in there: you see vast passageways extending off so far you can't even see where they end.  That thing was a couple kilometers long.  That's a lot of unexplored volume.

Modifié par didymos1120, 22 avril 2011 - 07:00 .

[cachx]

Called it. A long time ago.

Modifié par cachx, 22 avril 2011 - 07:06 .

[IntrepidProdigy]

didymos1120 wrote...

IntrepidProdigy wrote...

 That said, how was it unreasonable to assume that it was a plot hole when we actually went inside of a reaper?

Because, for the nth time, we saw only the tiniest fraction of the interior of a heavily damaged, dead reaper.  I mean, just look around in there: you see vast passageways extending off so far you can't even see where they end.  That thing was a couple kilometers long.  That's a lot of unexplored volume.

We also don't have any confirmed information on where the said core is, let alone or how big they are. Walters only said that they have a core incased in the reaper shells that we all recognize (paraphrased, of course). Once Walters said that in the Q&A, I immediately thought about the derelict reaper and how we were inside the thing, walking toward the mass effect core. One would naturally think that somewhere along the lines you should have seen something hinting towards that during that little journey.

[slaythatdragon]

100k wrote...

So then, the question should be, what will we find when we crack Harbinger's shell?

Chuck Norris 

[Zeratul20]

AdmiralCheez wrote...

mrsph wrote...

How many licks does it take to get to the center of Harbinger?

The world may never know.

BAD THOUGHTS.  BAD THOUGHTS.  BRAIN BLEACH.

Mo' like "bad touch."

[JeffZero]

cachx wrote...

Called it. A long time ago.

Either that or the other big project the Chrono Trigger 'Dream Team' was responsible for -- Xenogears. Maybe it will be a very similar scenario except it will sprout angel wings and wish to turn everyone into parts for its ascension.

Geez, I just realized how eerily similar that is to what we're getting.

[didymos1120]

IntrepidProdigy wrote...
One would naturally think that somewhere along the lines you should have seen something hinting towards that during that little journey.

Why? Simply because of the word "core"?  Would the ME core (which is just a bit of in-universe jargon) of the Reaper necessarily be right next to the, shall we say, "consciousness core" ?  Or even relatively close to it?  As an analogy: the SR-2.  EDI isn't housed on the same deck as the ME core, and in terms of the Normandy's scale, she's not even particularly near it. 

And what should the hints have even been?  I'm really not getting a clear notion of what it is you think should have been there, especially given that they wouldn't have wanted to give much (if anything) away at that point in the game. 

Modifié par didymos1120, 22 avril 2011 - 08:18 .

[Monochrome Wench]

The 'reaper' core could have been in the sections behind the ME core that we couldn't access. We can't know because we haven't seen all of the interior of a reaper

[IntrepidProdigy]

didymos1120 wrote...

Why? Simply because of the word "core"?  Would the ME core (which is just a bit of in-universe jargon) of the Reaper necessarily be right next to the, shall we say, "consciousness core" ?  Or even relatively close to it?  As an analogy: the SR-2.  EDI isn't housed on the same deck as the ME core, and in terms of the Normandy's scale, she's not even particularly near it.

Analogies are pointless at this point really since we have no information on specifics of the core of a reaper except for the giant t-800 we fought at the end of the game. I was basing my assumption on what we already know.

And what should the hints have even been?  I'm really not getting a clear notion of what it is you think should have been there, especially given that they wouldn't have wanted to give much (if anything) away at that point in the game. 

All I'm saying is that when Walters said the reapers have a "consciousness core" as you call it, wrapped in a reaper shell, I immediately thought about that little brat baby reaper at the end of the game, how big it was, and how we didn't come across a trace of something in similar size while in the DR, given we were heading to a fairly important part of its structure. I understand it from a story telling point of view, being cautious as to not spoil anything for the end, but why have us board the DR in the first place (I mean besides it just being generally interesting)? There could have been other means implemented to access the IFF, if anything.  

Anyways, what's done is done, it's seriously not that big of a deal. I'm going to bed, way too late for me to explain why I was genuinely concerned about this.

Modifié par IntrepidProdigy, 22 avril 2011 - 08:45 .

[Foolsfolly]

100k wrote...

So then, the question should be, what will we find when we crack Harbinger's shell?

It's that credit stealing Space Cow.

[didymos1120]

IntrepidProdigy wrote...

Analogies are pointless at this point really since we have no information on specifics of the core of a reaper except for the giant t-800 we fought at the end of the game. I was basing my assumption on what we already know.

No, the point of the analogy was to show that there's no reason to believe anything in particular about where the "consciousness core" should or should not be.  Call it a "proof of concept": if EDI, an AI that is the Normandy's "self", doesn't have to be right next to other critical systems, neither does the "consciousness core".  Thus, there's no basis for declaring it a plothole, because there's just not much of a basis for anything at this point.  Reapers just have these things inside them....somewhere. That's what "we already know".

All I'm saying is that when Walters said the reapers have a "consciousness core" as you call it, wrapped in a reaper shell, I immediately thought about that little brat baby reaper at the end of the game, how big it was, and how we didn't come across a trace of something in similar size while in the DR, given we were heading to a fairly important part of its structure.

Yeah, and what I'm saying is that thing is still tiny compared to the derelict,  and that the amount of the derelict we saw was tiny compared to the rest of the derelict.  Plus, the thing was heavily damaged and even within the small amount we did see, there was a lot of broken and missing stuff. I mean, just look at it:



It was messed up.  And huge.

I understand it from a story telling point of view, being cautious as to not spoil anything for the end, but why board the DR in the first place (I mean besides it just being generally interesting)?

Mainly, to get the IFF, as far as the main plot goes.  Secondarily, to have a nice little mini-horror-flick set-piece to showcase how freaky indoctrination is and to play up the whole Lovecraftian aspect of the Reapers.  Lastly... to give us the chance to have Legion in the squad.

Modifié par didymos1120, 22 avril 2011 - 09:05 .

[MrSwizleSticks]

When I first saw the human reaper I was irritated. Good to know that it would have simply been a core.

Modifié par MrSwizleSticks, 22 avril 2011 - 09:22 .

[Foolsfolly]

You know, didymos1120. It's too easy to forget how massive Reapers are.

I can't wait to tear them apart.

[Spinotech]

 
How would kill Harbinger if this was in the core?