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[88mphSlayer]

jamesp81 wrote...

88mphSlayer wrote...

Mir5 wrote...

It's still stupid as hell. Though I am beyond of caring, oh well.

to me it just spells out how incredibly slow and probably un-essential a human reaper would be to the upcoming reaper invasion plans

if - judging by the arrival countdown - the reapers were coming anyways for a full-on invasion at the same time that shepard and squad were trying to bring down the collectors, and judging by the fact that it would've taken a serious amount of human collecting anyways to finish just the human reaper larvae or whatever it's called, who knows how long it would've taken to build an actual reaper juggernaught around said human reaper larvae

simply put by the time the reapers arrive and we either win or lose the reaper invasion, the collector issue would've been unconsequential anyways - if the reapers wiped out humanity and the galaxy was lost this thing still wouldn't have been used at all in the entire war, if we win then what's the point of this thing if it's so unbelievably far away from being complete... for that matter, what's harbinger's deal with the collectors only having one ship and one base? it pigeonholes the entire idea from the start, as if the reapers cared because this was obviously not a "plan B"

I think the idea was that the result of the invasion for the Reapers would be a new Reaper....a human reaper.  Their invasions are at least partially about their version of reproduction anyway.

I figure after they destroyed all opposition, they'd just round up everyone on Earth and send them to the collector base to complete the human reaper.

and what of the collectors being dead? harbinger clearly stated the reapers would find another way to assimilate humanity, so i question why the use of discretion and using an obviously weak link (the collectors) in something so vital to the entire purpose of their genocidal cycle, i mean once they got past the testing phase what real use are the collectors if reapers can do this stuff on their own and the numbers needed to finish a human reaper are beyond the collectors' capability to start with? basically what arrival means to me is that the collectors and thus all of ME2 was rather well... pointless in the grand scheme of things?

Modifié par 88mphSlayer, 25 avril 2011 - 07:18 .

[MarchWaltz]

didymos1120 wrote...

MarchWaltz wrote...

Anyone have a picture of the derelict reaper core?

The Mass Effect core?  Why do you want one?  It's a completely different system from the core Walters was talking about.

Someone said the area above the dragon teeth in the derelict reaper is the core of that reaper, as in the species it was based off of.

[RiouHotaru]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

didymos1120 wrote...
As I said: you can't answer that question going on ME1 ONLY.  You plucked that completely out of context.

There are some hints of Reaper "benevolence" even in ME1 though.

Sovereign: "We impose order on the chaos of organic evolution"

Saren: "The relation is symbiotic. Organic and machine entertwined, a union of flesh and steel. The strengths of both, the weaknesses of neither. I am a vision of the future Shepard, the evolution of all organic life. This is our destiny. Join Sovereign and experience a true rebirth."

Very small hints though, and they make more sense after ME2 (where we find out that Reapers are not machines). 

FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF

HOW DID I MISS THIS OBVIOUS FORESHADOWING?!

[Endurium]

DarthSliver wrote...

I read the whole thing, it was quite interesting

Seconded. Helps me look forward to ME3 a bit more now.

[spacehamsterZH]

Sounds like another retcon to me, but it makes... a reasonable amount of sense, so I can live with it.

[Mir5]

Finally remembered to read the whole thing.
And what caught my eye was "do Reapers have souls?".
I thought we'd gone beyond the point where when dealing with science fiction the default answer is that nothing has a soul, as a ghost, a spirit.
Unless you're doing a scifi fantasy like star wars. Damn, never really liked that series. Movies were watchable but totally hate the universe. Not all because of the fantasy elements. Actually the force was kinda cool element before they started trying to explain it.

Maybe the need for a spirit vessel would be a reason why the Reapers need to craft those bipeds into their cores. Seriously, if ME3 ends with a group of alien souls flying from metal wreckages, shouting in vibrating voices "thaaankk yooouuuu shepaaaard, for freeeeinnggg ussss!", the game will end up flying out of the window.

edit: Renegade ending will have those souls getting destroyed.

Modifié par Mir5, 26 avril 2011 - 11:07 .

[jamesp81]

88mphSlayer wrote...

jamesp81 wrote...

88mphSlayer wrote...

Mir5 wrote...

It's still stupid as hell. Though I am beyond of caring, oh well.

to me it just spells out how incredibly slow and probably un-essential a human reaper would be to the upcoming reaper invasion plans

if - judging by the arrival countdown - the reapers were coming anyways for a full-on invasion at the same time that shepard and squad were trying to bring down the collectors, and judging by the fact that it would've taken a serious amount of human collecting anyways to finish just the human reaper larvae or whatever it's called, who knows how long it would've taken to build an actual reaper juggernaught around said human reaper larvae

simply put by the time the reapers arrive and we either win or lose the reaper invasion, the collector issue would've been unconsequential anyways - if the reapers wiped out humanity and the galaxy was lost this thing still wouldn't have been used at all in the entire war, if we win then what's the point of this thing if it's so unbelievably far away from being complete... for that matter, what's harbinger's deal with the collectors only having one ship and one base? it pigeonholes the entire idea from the start, as if the reapers cared because this was obviously not a "plan B"

I think the idea was that the result of the invasion for the Reapers would be a new Reaper....a human reaper.  Their invasions are at least partially about their version of reproduction anyway.

I figure after they destroyed all opposition, they'd just round up everyone on Earth and send them to the collector base to complete the human reaper.

and what of the collectors being dead? harbinger clearly stated the reapers would find another way to assimilate humanity, so i question why the use of discretion and using an obviously weak link (the collectors) in something so vital to the entire purpose of their genocidal cycle, i mean once they got past the testing phase what real use are the collectors if reapers can do this stuff on their own and the numbers needed to finish a human reaper are beyond the collectors' capability to start with? basically what arrival means to me is that the collectors and thus all of ME2 was rather well... pointless in the grand scheme of things?

Reapers live by the idea of "better safe than sorry".  On paper, they should easily have enough firepower to crush all the militaries in the Milky Way in a conventional assault.  However, they don't do it that way.  Why would they, when they have the perfect trap (the Citadel) set up where they can decapitate their enemy's ability to resist?

Also, remember that the Reapers don't just make a Reaper out of any race they find.  One of the purposes of the Collectors is to find viable Reaper candidate races.

The Collectors were probably used for two things: gathering intel (searching for candidate species to make into reapers), and getting the next Reaper started.  This is in-line with their better safe than sorry mindset.  Having the Collectors allow them to start implementing parts of the extinction cycle without ever directly revealing themselves to the galaxy as a whole.  The Collectors themselves are expendable, so if the worst happens and the Collectors are destroyed, nothing of significant value has been lost.

Modifié par jamesp81, 27 avril 2011 - 12:01 .