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[gorrillasnake]

oh...

didymos1120 wrote...

gorrillasnake wrote...

but you could convince her otherwise as well....in me1 you tell her that all aliens are gods creation..(no joke)
its only because she hasnt worked with aliens..thats all.......

Not the point, though. What Ash is or isn't, or what she can or cannot become, is completely irrelevant.  The point is "Must love aliens" isn't part of the job description of a Spectre. It's just a "rule" the person threw in there because he thought it somehow disqualified her.

[ExtremeOne]

Ok lets just go with this for a min . If they are the new Spectres what power do they have . I mean if they are squad mates don't they have to obey Shepard and do as he says . Or can they over rule him

[AkaTenar]

Autoclave wrote...

btw, where did this info about VS spectre come from?

PrinceLionheart wrote...

PARAGON87 wrote...

Sorry if I'm late to the party here, but where was it said that the VS is a Spectre?

Or is this Spectre talk just speculation?

A PS3 magazine, with shaky evidence, stated that VS will become a spectre in the third game. Some posters are B****ing over it because they don't feel that they're qualified. Oh, and because Ash has trust issues that disqualifies her from being a Spectre.

[Bluko]

LordEurope wrote...

I'm sorry but this is something I can't agree with. Neither Kaiden or Ashley are good enough to be Spectres. Spectres are supposed to be the best of the best. They are miles behind Shepard, Saren or that asari Spectre.

What have they done to deserve this? If any of them tries to overrule my command n ME3 I will put a bullet in them.

Umm why not? (Sure someone has answered this already, but I shall do so in my own particular fashion.)

Shepard is the first official human Spectre. Then he/she gets spaced. No human Spectre, yet humanity is on/runs the Council? Bet you first thing they're going to do is find a replacement. Hmm who would make a good human Spectre? Maybe someone that worked with the first human Spectre and you know helped defeat Saren, etc. I see no reason why Ashley/Kaidan aren't skilled enough to be a Spectre. Kaidan is a very powerful L2 human Biotic and Ashley is one of the toughest Soldiers out there, being about the only one who survived from her unit on Eden Prime.

I doubt Ashley/Kaidan would ever try to over-rule your orders. First off you are still very much in their eyes a hero and their original Commanding Officer. Spectres are more or less equals, but it's apparent seniority does give them more sway. In which case Shepard will likely be Boss. And it's not unheard of for Spectres to work together. You're going to need the best of the best working together to stop the Reapers. Ashley and Kaidan are some of the best, they may not be Shepard, but they ain't pushovers. They are no less skilled then Jacob, Miranda, Kasumi, and Zaeed.

[Gyroscopic_Trout]

Zweebs wrote...

The VS is most likely a Spectre for political purposes. The Alliance, and humanity, lost there only representative when Shepard joined Cerberus. It was explained that if Shepard did get reinstated, it was only to show some sort of cooperativeness between the two.

Humanity, with a big role in the council, would not be content with having no Human spectres. They would obviously look for a replacement. Who else than the other human to save the citadel?

Seems perfectly logical to me. Let's see what happens before we start accusing the writers.

Not to mention that the Alliance has spent two years discrediting everything Shepard ever said or did.  Making a spectre out of a loyal soldier, then spinning their role in the battle of the Citadel to make them seem more heroic and important, while diminishing Shepard's role would be par for the course for the Alliance.

Also, Bioware could throw us a twist and have the VS hostile at the start of ME3.  The infamous email isn't conclusive evidence that they're still on Shepard's side.  For all we know, the VS is the one who caught Shepard and brought him to trial.  Seeing one of Shepard's own crew denounce him as a terrorist and criminal would further damage his credibility in the eyes of the public.

[ExtremeOne]

Gyroscopic_Trout wrote...

Zweebs wrote...

The VS is most likely a Spectre for political purposes. The Alliance, and humanity, lost there only representative when Shepard joined Cerberus. It was explained that if Shepard did get reinstated, it was only to show some sort of cooperativeness between the two.

Humanity, with a big role in the council, would not be content with having no Human spectres. They would obviously look for a replacement. Who else than the other human to save the citadel?

Seems perfectly logical to me. Let's see what happens before we start accusing the writers.

Not to mention that the Alliance has spent two years discrediting everything Shepard ever said or did.  Making a spectre out of a loyal soldier, then spinning their role in the battle of the Citadel to make them seem more heroic and important, while diminishing Shepard's role would be par for the course for the Alliance.

Also, Bioware could throw us a twist and have the VS hostile at the start of ME3.  The infamous email isn't conclusive evidence that they're still on Shepard's side.  For all we know, the VS is the one who caught Shepard and brought him to trial.  Seeing one of Shepard's own crew denounce him as a terrorist and criminal would further damage his credibility in the eyes of the public.

  



I actually think that is what will happen  

[didymos1120]

ExtremeOne wrote...

Ok lets just go with this for a min . If they are the new Spectres what power do they have . I mean if they are squad mates don't they have to obey Shepard and do as he says . Or can they over rule him

Uh, that's true of most squadmates: only Ash and Kaidan in ME1 were truly under Shep's command.  Pretty much everyone else is along because they more or less feel like it, for whatever reason. But they usually end up doing what Shep wants anyway.   

[ExtremeOne]

didymos1120 wrote...

ExtremeOne wrote...

Ok lets just go with this for a min . If they are the new Spectres what power do they have . I mean if they are squad mates don't they have to obey Shepard and do as he says . Or can they over rule him

Uh, that's true of most squadmates: only Ash and Kaidan in ME1 were truly under Shep's command.  Pretty much everyone else is along because they more or less feel like it, for whatever reason. But they usually end up doing what Shep wants anyway.   

  



I get that but if they are Spectres would they try to tell Shepard what to do in 3 or how would this all work if they are Spectres 

[Gyroscopic_Trout]

ExtremeOne wrote...

I actually think that is what will happen  

Who knows, maybe we'll get to 'renegade interrupt' them at some point.  <_<

[ExtremeOne]

Gyroscopic_Trout wrote...

ExtremeOne wrote...

I actually think that is what will happen  

Who knows, maybe we'll get to 'renegade interrupt' them at some point.  <_<

  



I would like that  

[didymos1120]

ExtremeOne wrote...

I get that but if they are Spectres would they try to tell Shepard what to do in 3 or how would this all work if they are Spectres 

Probably like any other squadmate who doesn't technically have to do what Shep says.  Which is to say, they might raise an objection during a conversation scene and then go along with whatever you're doing anyway.  See Tali's response to the idea of taking Legion from the Derelict (paraphrased):

Tali: "I don't like this."

Shep: "We're taking it."

Tali: *does nothing*

[ExtremeOne]

mrsph wrote...

To go against Shepard's will is punishable by death.

  



I agree  

[Mylene]

 TO OP:Why not just say "I hate the VS!!!"<_<

[AVPen]

Bluko wrote...

I doubt Ashley/Kaidan would ever try to over-rule your orders. First off you are still very much in their eyes a hero and their original Commanding Officer.

After their encounter on Horizon? Yeah, I sorta doubt that's the case anymore. 

Modifié par AVPen, 22 avril 2011 - 04:10 .

[Elite Midget]

didymos1120 wrote...
Probably like any other squadmate who doesn't technically have to do what Shep says.  Which is to say, they might raise an objection during a conversation scene and then go along with whatever you're doing anyway.  See Tali's response to the idea of taking Legion from the Derelict (paraphrased):

Tali: "I don't like this."

Shep: "We're taking it."

Tali: *does nothing*

That always makes me laugh... Shepard is very good at getting what he/she wants despite what others think.

[ExtremeOne]

AVPen wrote...

Bluko wrote...

I doubt Ashley/Kaidan would ever try to over-rule your orders. First off you are still very much in their eyes a hero and their original Commanding Officer.

After their encounter on Horizon? Yeah, I sorta doubt that's the case anymore. 

  



I agree 

[Ye Olde Gamer]

didymos1120 wrote...

ExtremeOne wrote...

Ok lets just go with this for a min . If they are the new Spectres what power do they have . I mean if they are squad mates don't they have to obey Shepard and do as he says . Or can they over rule him

Uh, that's true of most squadmates: only Ash and Kaidan in ME1 were truly under Shep's command.  Pretty much everyone else is along because they more or less feel like it, for whatever reason. But they usually end up doing what Shep wants anyway.   

They might not have been under Shepard's formal command, but Shepard was ultimately the captain.  If Wrex, Thane or anyone else flat out refused to follow Shepard's command, the end result would be getting benched or kicked off the ship.  They had no real authority over the rest of the crew.  Miranda in ME2 is the only squadmate who could theoretically have pulled rank on Shepard, and she was still technically under his command.

Unless the Council fully reinstates Shepard's status as a Spectre in ME3, the situation would be somewhat different if the VS became a Spectre.  They'd not only have the legal authority to overrule Shepard, but they'd also presumably be used to calling the shots; you don't make someone a Spectre to have them sit around and ask their friends what to do.  That's not to say that Ashley/Kaiden would automatically refuse to follow Shepard's lead, but it's the sort of issue that would need to be addressed in game.

Assuming the rumor is true, of course.

[ExtremeOne]

Elite Midget wrote...

didymos1120 wrote...
Probably like any other squadmate who doesn't technically have to do what Shep says.  Which is to say, they might raise an objection during a conversation scene and then go along with whatever you're doing anyway.  See Tali's response to the idea of taking Legion from the Derelict (paraphrased):

Tali: "I don't like this."

Shep: "We're taking it."

Tali: *does nothing*

That always makes me laugh... Shepard is very good at getting what he/she wants despite what others think.

   



The Galaxy and his squad know he is all they got who can kick the reapers 's Ass so it would not be in their interest to cross him 

[Bluko]

ExtremeOne wrote...

I get that but if they are Spectres would they try to tell Shepard what to do in 3 or how would this all work if they are Spectres 

It'd work pretty much the same, except they probably won't say "sir" or "ma'am" as much. You act like Squadmates have never made suggestions to Shepard before. It'll be exactly the same. Shepard will most likely end up being reinstated as a Spectre in ME3 anyways once the Council see's the Reapers and goes "Oh sh!t, Shepard was right!". Maybe not (they might get killed before the chance), but who's going to try and F with Shepard anyways now?

Shepard is still top dog, even though Ashley/Kaidan have likely improved their skills niether one could really ever hope to overpower Shepard. Hence even if they do disagree the only option for them is to leave really. And again both Ashley/Kaidan regard Shepard as their hero. I doubt they'd disobey Shepard unless you told them to something extremely reprehensible. There's never been any reason why the ME2 crew had to do what you say, but they follow because Shepard's a leader.

Also it seemed pretty clear to me that either Ashley/Kaidan became very important Special Forces Operatives for the Alliance (Kaidan is the same rank as Shepard and Ashley is the highest rank for an Enlisted), or more likely that they were promoted and made Spectres. Which I'm guessing Anderson helped supervised. The Alliance wouldn't just send one Soldier out into the Terminus systems. They were sent out to Horizon on their own, because they were Spectres acting on behalf of the Alliance/Council.

[Ramirez Wolfen]

If you ask me, I think Garrus should become a Spectre before Ashley or Kaidan.

[Elite Midget]

Ramirez Wolfen wrote...

If you ask me, I think Garrus should become a Spectre before Ashley or Kaidan.

Garrus? The guy that got his 'whole' team murdered? The guy that quit c-sec and the Spectre exams? The guy whose a part of a race that had a spectre die easily and another spectre that went crazy? That guy? Over an Alliance Warhero whose race is a part of the Council now and the other Spectre is dead/under the radar?

Modifié par Elite Midget, 22 avril 2011 - 04:18 .

[AdmiralCheez]

mrsph wrote...

Garrus had his chance.

But he's a flake.

"I'm going to be a Spectre so I can make my own rules!"

*time passes*

"This Spectre thing sucks, man.  Too many rules."

[Elite Midget]

Garrus is... Special.

Shepard doesn't judge because you never judge your Bros.