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[Prince of Kemet]

Shadowrun1177 wrote...

Here's another thing why would a Spectre wear the symbol of the Spectre's on their uniform. It just wouldn't make sense cause if your doing something undercover which a Spectre is most of the time you'd make yourself standout. Heck I bet the only reason Shepard is known so much as Spectre is cause of the events of ME 1, if Shepard had just been a Spectre and there had been no attack on the Citadel and the rest he/she would just be another Spectre.

Tela Vasir wore it in Lair of the Shadowbroker......If I recall correctly...on the right shoulder.

Modifié par Prince of Kemet, 22 avril 2011 - 06:42 .

[didymos1120]

Shadowrun1177 wrote...

Here's another thing why would a Spectre wear the symbol of the Spectre's on their uniform. It just wouldn't make sense cause if your doing something undercover which a Spectre is most of the time you'd make yourself standout.

Right shoulder:



Of course, she was deliberately using her status to interfere in the investigation.

Modifié par didymos1120, 22 avril 2011 - 06:40 .

[ADLegend21]

Loving how the only arguements against Ashle and Kaidan being spectres are:
1.) they'll over rule Shepard (despite adoring Shepard romanced or not)
2.) they're not good enough (despite going on Solo missions assigned by the council)
3.) Horizon (despite sending you an email APOLOGIZING and if not romanced tey'll tell you good luck before reporting back to anderson)
4.) Shepard is the only human allowed to be spectre (get over yourself)

[ExtremeOne]

ADLegend21 wrote...

Loving how the only arguements against Ashle and Kaidan being spectres are:
1.) they'll over rule Shepard (despite adoring Shepard romanced or not)
2.) they're not good enough (despite going on Solo missions assigned by the council)
3.) Horizon (despite sending you an email APOLOGIZING and if not romanced tey'll tell you good luck before reporting back to anderson)
4.) Shepard is the only human allowed to be spectre (get over yourself)

  




Just be happy they are in 3 

[Hyper_gateway]

Personally, I am glad Ashely made into Spectre which prove she finally 'see the big picture' rather than just humanity first thought.

Her skill may not match Shepard but don't forget she did survived from Geth attack by herserlf before Shepard shows up. As for Kaidan, he's more experienced soldier than Ashely. So his chance to become a Spectre is same as Ashely does.

Besides, there is a 2 years gap in between. If we still think of them as the same person in ME1, that would just blindly wiped out all types of possibilities. Even Shepard got some upgrade from the resurrection, why not to the others?

Spectre or not, both of them are coming back and will fight with Shepard once again. Team Eden Prime, lock and load!

[slaythatdragon]

I see Kaidan as a spectre.

But Ashley?
I just don't see it.

[Elite Midget]

You really don't? I'm surprised how you can't see wither of them as Spectres. Here's why both can do it...

1) They helped defeat Sovereign.
2) Decorated Warhero. Well respected by the Alliance.
3) Shepard died than went rogue. Vacancy for humanity to fill since they're a Council Race.
4) Kaiden is an L2 Biotic and Ashley is one of the most skilled Alliance Soldiers right behind Shepard.
5) Entrusted with secret missions by Council Officials.
6) It's a Political Move. The People need a face they can reconize and support.
7) Ashley/Kaiden know when to keep their mouths shut.
8) Would place the interests of humanity over others if push comes to shove just as Shepard places humanity above other races if he must.
9) Who else could they choose that has the popularity, rank, and experience of them?
10) Deal with it.

Modifié par Elite Midget, 22 avril 2011 - 08:21 .

[Ski Mask Wei]

Having the VS be a Spectre is no way a big stretch. It makes a lot of sense actually. They have the clout, resumes, and the political connects to make it happen. It also explains why Cerberus or the Shadow Broker barely knew anything about them in ME2.

[GodWood]

Good for Kaidan.
I always thought he'd make good Spectre material.

[Zubie]

Don't really care if Ashley is a spectre or not. I'm just thankful she's on my team this time.

[Made Nightwing]

Talthanar wrote...

jbblue05 wrote...

Made Nightwing wrote...

By the time ME2 comes around, I think Anderson would have sent Ashley to N7 school. I also think she would have her own team at this stage. I wrote a speculative fanfic on this subject.
http://www.fanfictio...ears_of_the_Sun

I think she would definitely be on Anderson's A-Team, selected for heavy risk missions with high prizes. Whether she's a Spectre or not? I wouldn't object.

I think Anderson, Joker, or TIM would've mentioned it if she did.
I'm not sure Anderson has the authority to send Ash to N7 school he's only a rear admiral in the Alliance.
Plus Ash/Kaidan don't have N7 armor but Shepard does

Rear admirals can do damn near whatever they want. Although Anderson should be a short General of some kind since he was a marine and all. That said generally speaking you don't get ordered to spec ops schools you volunteer for them. Some of the politically motivated stuff can be a trade off; the only way you can make it to X is to go through N school. The big question is if one goes from S (which is probably infantry if this in fact was on Ash's shirt) to N does she go from a 5 back to a 1 or just bumped to a slightly lower rating? Fact is N7 shouldn't be just the school since you can viably put a corporal or even a private through the Army's special forces school or even a Seaman (first enlisted rank for those not in the US) through SEAL school.

As far as Spectre candadicy for the VS no real reason Ash or Kaiden couldn't be picked and tested. Shep seems to be on the more hardcore side of being a Spectre but Nihilus seemed a bit on the mediocre side. Granted I haven't read the second comic series but he's not really mentioned in any of the books. Anderson was also nominated but Saren stabbed him in the back pretty good.

I don't think Anderson would just order her into Special Forces school. But IMO, the dialogue would probably go like this.

Ashley: Sir, I'd like to put my name down for N7 training.

Anderson: Okay, I can do that. Don't let me down. *Rings Hackett* Can you authorise Williams transfer to New Hereford?

Hackett: Can I? I'm commander of the 5th Fleet. I can authorise statues of myself to be placed around my flagship if I wanted to.

(N7 Training. Pretty much the combined training regimens of SAS, Green Beret's, Delta Force, SEALs, Royal Marine Commandoes, Spetznatz, etc. No way that this would be an easy course. The attrition rate would be in the high 90% range. Ashley is one of only ten that actually graduate, all the others wash out.)

Anderson: Okay, you're doing missions for me now. Don't let me down.

(Cue montage of Ashley fighting batarian terrorists, leading strike teams against slaver rings, investigating old Protheon ruins for evidence of the Reapers)

Anderson: Alright, you've been doing a fine job. I'm nominating you to be humanity's next SPECTRE. Don't let me down.

Any problems with this theory?

[Foolsfolly]

elektrego wrote...

Imo, both Ash and Kaidan are first class Spectre material.
I have suspected for a long time now that they would eventually become Spectres and I love the fact that they actually are now and not just because it verifies my suspsicions.

I like how they've grown out of Shepard's shadow. They felt too much like just subordinates under Shepard's command. Now they're peers with Shepard.

Which works. ME2 had Shepard assemble some of the best and brightest to take on a tough job. If Shepard gets anyone on crew for the Normandy they need to be exceptional. Nice to see Ash and Kaidan reaching their potential.

[Captain Crash]

 The two years of Shepard's death can easily have an effect and its certainly changed them. Look at how they acted on Horizon...  or was that just very poor scripting?  



Anyway people evolve and grow and become better and stronger with events.  I think Ash and Kaidan will have done this because of their accomplishments along side Shepard. After her death they continued to show flare which got them recognised. Thats their own doing and not Shepards.  Also its going to be fun having my Love Interest a spectre just like me!  I really like this idea a lot.   

:happy:

[Naamah_bb]

Bluko wrote...

AVPen wrote...

Again, after everything that occured on Horizon?
After learning that Shepard was involved/working with Cerberus, an organization that they regard as an absolute enemy, the Black side to the Alliance's White?
After saying that unlike Shepard, they still knew where their loyalties lay?
After stating that Shepard had changed from who they had known before and calling him/her a trailor to everything they previously stood for to his/her face?

Yeah and in ME3 you aren't working with Cerberus anymore, so what's the problem? Your right they were pissed off at Shepard for working with Cerberus at the time. Doesn't mean they hate Shepard forever though. Pretty sure both Ashley/Kaidan wish you "good luck" before they leave as well. It's real simple: they don't like Cerberus and they don't want to get involved with Cerberus. I wouldn't blame them either. They captured and killed an Alliance Admiral in ME1.

AVPen wrote...

Bluko wrote...

Also it seemed pretty clear to me that either Ashley/Kaidan became very important Special Forces Operatives for the Alliance (Kaidan is the same rank as Shepard and Ashley is the highest rank for an Enlisted), or more likely that they were promoted and made Spectres. Which I'm guessing Anderson helped supervised. The Alliance wouldn't just send one Soldier out into the Terminus systems. They were sent out to Horizon on their own, because they were Spectres acting on behalf of the Alliance/Council.

Unless you have access to some sort of missing cut content from ME2 that no one else has, then you are just creating fictional explanations or plot points that do not exist in the actual game.

Why do you think Anderson didn't tell you about their mission? (Assuming of course you visit Anderson before Horizon. In which case you can grill him about this later.) True I'm speculating once again, but it seems rather painfully obvious this is the case. It's apparent that their mission was regarded as top secret. True maybe Anderson didn't trust you right away either because of Cerberus, but come on. Would you send a regular soldier to investigate the Terminus system by themselves, and more importantly Cerberus? Or would you send a Spectre who are trained to work alone?

Why do you think they can't join you? It's not just because of the Alliance, it's because they're also a Spectre. And a Spectre working with Cerberus is a huge no-no, because the Council regards them as Terrorists.

Think about it. Why does Anderson get a report from Ashley/Kaidan? Ashley/Kaidan aren't under Anderson's direct command anymore (especially if he's a Councillor). How else do you think this happens unless they are Spectres? True in the case Anderson might be an Admiral they could be under his supervision, but I suspect they're more then just an Alliance now.

This.
Who says they aren't specters in ME2 already? It seems possible and probable. Two years is a long time. The universe didn't stop just because Shep was dead.

[didymos1120]

Naamah_bb wrote...

This.
Who says they aren't specters in ME2 already? It seems possible and probable. Two years is a long time. The universe didn't stop just because Shep was dead.

Seems rather improbable that it wasn't mentioned by anybody if that was the case.

[ExtremeOne]

I would think the VS fans would shut the hell up after getting them into 3 . but They will not be in My combat unit in 3

[Dean_the_Young]

Ramirez Wolfen wrote...

If you ask me, I think Garrus should become a Spectre before Ashley or Kaidan.

Garrus should have been the next Human Spectre? 

[Naamah_bb]

didymos1120 wrote...

Naamah_bb wrote...

This.
Who says they aren't specters in ME2 already? It seems possible and probable. Two years is a long time. The universe didn't stop just because Shep was dead.

Seems rather improbable that it wasn't mentioned by anybody if that was the case.

Why would they? Nobody trusts you because you work with/for cerberus. Their files are classified (even TIM says so) and not all spectres go around telling everyone "Hey, I'm a spectre!"

[darknoon5]

I can see Kaidan as a spectre. Every spectre besides Nihlus (possibly, we didn't see him long enough) and POSSIBLY Shepard has biotics, at lesat that we've seen. It is a huge advantage and realistically it will make that individual much more likely to become a spectre.

ADLegend21 wrote...

Loving how the only arguements against Ashle and Kaidan being spectres are:
1.) they'll over rule Shepard (despite adoring Shepard romanced or not)
2.) they're not good enough (despite going on Solo missions assigned by the council)
3.)
Horizon (despite sending you an email APOLOGIZING and if not romanced
tey'll tell you good luck before reporting back to anderson)
4.) Shepard is the only human allowed to be spectre (get over yourself)

What about Ashley's family history?

I have a bit of a problem with Ashley as a spectre. She isn't "rank and file," but she doesn't have the experience Shepard and Anderson had when they were nominated to be a spectre. She's also lower-ranked then Kaidan, and combined with her families history, considering the Alliance gave her crap postings and all, I can't see them making a U-turn and putting her forward as a spectre candidate.

Ultimately it doesnt really come down to Ashley "not being good enough" (but I agree, she will be the lesat skilled spectre out of the ones we have seen so far) but more due to her position.

I agree Garrus becoming a spectre would've made more sense (possible foreshadowing in the first game) then VS and would be less out of the blue, but honestly I don't think your squadmate has to be spectre or not to have better character development, which is what I care about.

Modifié par darknoon5, 22 avril 2011 - 10:35 .

[didymos1120]

Naamah_bb wrote...

Why would they? Nobody trusts you because you work with/for cerberus. Their files are classified (even TIM says so) and not all spectres go around telling everyone "Hey, I'm a spectre!"

As far as what TIM tells you: he still managed to figure out ahead of time when they were on their surprisingly well-classified jaunt to Horizon.  He also outright lies to you about what Liara is up to (he knew damn well she wasn't working for the Shadow Broker), so the veracity of his claim not to know is suspect (and if you notice, he never does directly make such a claim. He simply implies that he doesn't know).  Also, there's little reason the Alliance wouldn't want it known they had another human Spectre in the ranks, given either political situation. 

Modifié par didymos1120, 22 avril 2011 - 10:38 .

[Foolsfolly]

I have a bit of a problem with Ashley as a spectre. She isn't "rank and file," but she doesn't have the experience Shepard and Anderson had when they were nominated to be a spectre.

I'm going to have to disagree here. Shepard won/survived Akuze/Torfan/Eleisium (however you spell it). Ashley helped defeat Saren and Sovereign at the Battle of the Citadel. She assaulted Saren's breeding center on Virmire and came out successful and alive, it was a tough mission since the STG couldn't pull it off.

And then she has 2 years doing covert missions for Anderson, who is either an aid to a Councilman or an actual Councilman.

She's done as much, if not more, than Shepard did when Shep became a Spectre. Afterall, surviving a Thresher attack isn't that extraordinary. And Ashley and Kaidan can totally survive multiple Thresher attacks in ME1.

Modifié par Foolsfolly, 22 avril 2011 - 10:41 .

[Naamah_bb]

didymos1120 wrote...

Naamah_bb wrote...

Why would they? Nobody trusts you because you work with/for cerberus. Their files are classified (even TIM says so) and not all spectres go around telling everyone "Hey, I'm a spectre!"

As far as what TIM tells you: he still managed to figure out ahead of time when they were on their surprisingly well-classified jaunt to Horizon.  He also outright lies to you about what Liara is up to (he knew damn well she wasn't working for the Shadow Broker), so the veracity of his claim not to know is suspect (and if you notice, he never does directly make such a claim. He simply implies that he doesn't know).  Also, there's little reason the Alliance wouldn't want it known they had another human Spectre in the ranks, given either political situation. 

I don't claim its not known that there is another human spectre. Just that you possibly didn't come across the fact that there is one. It's just speculation at best but it seems more logical to me that another human spectre would be appointed during the two years Shep was dead than when Shep is reinstated as a spectre when everyone already knows you're alive.
Continuity.

Modifié par Naamah_bb, 22 avril 2011 - 10:43 .

[didymos1120]

darknoon5 wrote...

I can see Kaidan as a spectre. Every spectre besides Nihlus (possibly, we didn't see him long enough) and POSSIBLY Shepard has biotics, at lesat that we've seen.

Saren doesn't in Revelation.  Given what we know from what happened to Grayson, that may have been an enhancement from Sovereign (possibly an inducement to ally).  Or maybe they just reconned Revelation, like with the volus and batarians.

But Shep still proves that someone can be one and not have biotic ability.  The fact that some classes do have them is irrelevant.