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[darknoon5]

didymos1120 wrote...

darknoon5 wrote...

I can see Kaidan as a spectre. Every spectre besides Nihlus (possibly, we didn't see him long enough) and POSSIBLY Shepard has biotics, at lesat that we've seen.

Saren doesn't in Revelation.  Given what we know from what happened to Grayson, that may have been an enhancement from Sovereign (possibly an inducement to ally).  Or maybe they just reconned Revelation, like with the volus and batarians.

But Shep still proves that someone can be one and not have biotic ability.  The fact that some classes do have them is irrelevant.

I'm not saying it is the sole reason for becoming a spectre, but it makes your qualification more valid.

And as you said, revelation was retconned in several places. Also, it doesn't state Saren doesn't have biotics, he just never uses them. You're right, though, that may have been due to his implants, but it is not stated.

Lorewise, a spectre without biotics would have a hard time against any asari and any other individual with decent biotics in any kind of combat. Probably would have to resort to sniping and such. I don't see Ashley as much of an assassin, do you? Also, I'm guessing there will be more biotic reaper-avatars, and probably biotic cerberus shock troops.

Modifié par darknoon5, 22 avril 2011 - 10:48 .

[Foolsfolly]

I don't claim its not known that there is another human spectre. Just that you possibly didn't come across the fact that there is one. It's just speculation at best but it seems more logical to me that another human spectre would be appointed during the two years Shep was dead than when Shep is reinstated as a spectre when everyone already knows you're alive.

That assumes humanity wants just one Spectre of their own. And besides if the Council reinstates Shepard (And that's an if) they're not giving orders to Shepard. They seem to be doing it out of thanks for Shepard saving them once before more than to get Shepard back as a shadow operative.

[didymos1120]

ExtremeOne wrote...

 but They will not be in My combat unit in 3

Yes. Great. We know. Nobody cares.  We also don't care whether you never use a particular heavy weapon or armor color in your games.

[candidate88766]

I think it makes sense: with a human councillor (or indeed a human-led council) humanity is going to want to push for another Spectre given that Shepard may have defected to Cerberus (at leat in their eyes). Even if Shepard is re-instated his cooperation with cerberus may cause them to doubt his judgement and so they'll another, more loyal Spectre. If Anderson is on the Council he will push for someone he knows and trusts to do the job as a Spectre - and he knows Kaiden and Ashley worked with Shepard to bring Sovereign down. If Udina is on the Council he will probably listen to Anderson's advice in the matter as he knows the military better than Udina. Both are going to want to fast-track a human to becoming a Spectre and so will probably go for a name they recognise.

Modifié par candidate88766, 22 avril 2011 - 10:50 .

[didymos1120]

darknoon5 wrote...

Lorewise, a spectre without biotics would have a hard time against any asari and any other individual with decent biotics in any kind of combat. Probably would have to resort to sniping and such.

Uh, no, because lorewise, biotics are far more limited than in the game.  See all three novels.

[Chewin]

@candidate88799

Maybe, or maybe it's just one reason of that could the same of why Shepard was made a spectre in first istance: to hunt down a rouge spectre. To the eyes of the Council and of the Alliance, Shepard joined a terrorist organization, s/he extinguished a whole species (the collectors) and then also destroyed a whole solar system, with 300 000 civilians inside it. They think that Shepard is now at the level of Saren, probably. So they choose another expendable soldier, wich also knows Shepard, his/her strategies and his/her modus operandi, to find him/her in case he/she won't accept to respond of his/her crimes. If so, the VS is a sensed choice, even the unique sensed choice.

Credits goes to Alienmorph

Modifié par Chewin3, 22 avril 2011 - 10:54 .

[darknoon5]

didymos1120 wrote...

darknoon5 wrote...

Lorewise, a spectre without biotics would have a hard time against any asari and any other individual with decent biotics in any kind of combat. Probably would have to resort to sniping and such.

Uh, no, because lorewise, biotics are far more limited than in the game.  See all three novels.

Biotics aren't explored on any paticularly powerful individuals, like an Asari matron or matriach, or a spectre, are they? We have some biotic kids, an ex alliance soldier (or is it marine:?) and a Krogan bounty hunter using biotics, one of whom managed to throw an armoured vechile flying (or possibly lift it, or both, been a while since I read that book). All of whom either hadn't reached full potential or were using outdated amps. The books are full of contradictions, too.

Also, the game shows a powerful biotic like Samara or Jack could sustain a field such as in the SM. Which Drew was also involved in.

Let me rephrase this, with biotics taken into account:

Ash vs Samara/Morinth, who would win
Ash vs Miranda, who would win
Ash vs Jack, who would win
Ash vs Kaidan, who would win

(doesn't seem to be any notworthy male biotics except Kaidan...weird)

Modifié par darknoon5, 22 avril 2011 - 11:01 .

[candidate88766]

Chewin3 wrote...

@candidate88799

Maybe, or maybe it's just one reason of that could the same of why Shepard was made a spectre in first istance: to hunt down a rouge spectre. To the eyes of the Council and of the Alliance, Shepard joined a terrorist organization, s/he extinguished a whole species (the collectors) and then also destroyed a whole solar system, with 300 000 civilians inside it. They think that Shepard is now at the level of Saren, probably. So they choose another expendable soldier, wich also knows Shepard, his/her strategies and his/her modus operandi, to find him/her in case he/she won't accept to respond of his/her crimes. If so, the VS is a sensed choice, even the unique sensed choice.

Credits goes to Alienmorph

You mean that maybe they're there to keep an eye on Shepard, potentially bring him in if he goes 'rogue' in the Council's eyes? I like that idea. Particularly if you romanced them - it adds an element of tragedy to the story. Perhaps having to chose between what you believe is the right thing to do (potentially against what the Council views as right, thus leading the VS to try and stop you) and siding with your LI but going against your principles.

Unfortunately I imagine some VSmancers on this thread would throw a fit if that happened. Pity, as it could be an interesting twist.

[ExtremeOne]

candidate88766 wrote...

Chewin3 wrote...

@candidate88799

Maybe, or maybe it's just one reason of that could the same of why Shepard was made a spectre in first istance: to hunt down a rouge spectre. To the eyes of the Council and of the Alliance, Shepard joined a terrorist organization, s/he extinguished a whole species (the collectors) and then also destroyed a whole solar system, with 300 000 civilians inside it. They think that Shepard is now at the level of Saren, probably. So they choose another expendable soldier, wich also knows Shepard, his/her strategies and his/her modus operandi, to find him/her in case he/she won't accept to respond of his/her crimes. If so, the VS is a sensed choice, even the unique sensed choice.

Credits goes to Alienmorph

You mean that maybe they're there to keep an eye on Shepard, potentially bring him in if he goes 'rogue' in the Council's eyes? I like that idea. Particularly if you romanced them - it adds an element of tragedy to the story. Perhaps having to chose between what you believe is the right thing to do (potentially against what the Council views as right, thus leading the VS to try and stop you) and siding with your LI but going against your principles.

Unfortunately I imagine some VSmancers on this thread would throw a fit if that happened. Pity, as it could be an interesting twist.

  




Oh I am certain that Ashley and Kaiden will be the ones that turn Shepard in 3  at least its my theory . 

[candidate88766]

ExtremeOne wrote...

candidate88766 wrote...

Chewin3 wrote...

@candidate88799

Maybe, or maybe it's just one reason of that could the same of why Shepard was made a spectre in first istance: to hunt down a rouge spectre. To the eyes of the Council and of the Alliance, Shepard joined a terrorist organization, s/he extinguished a whole species (the collectors) and then also destroyed a whole solar system, with 300 000 civilians inside it. They think that Shepard is now at the level of Saren, probably. So they choose another expendable soldier, wich also knows Shepard, his/her strategies and his/her modus operandi, to find him/her in case he/she won't accept to respond of his/her crimes. If so, the VS is a sensed choice, even the unique sensed choice.

Credits goes to Alienmorph

You mean that maybe they're there to keep an eye on Shepard, potentially bring him in if he goes 'rogue' in the Council's eyes? I like that idea. Particularly if you romanced them - it adds an element of tragedy to the story. Perhaps having to chose between what you believe is the right thing to do (potentially against what the Council views as right, thus leading the VS to try and stop you) and siding with your LI but going against your principles.

Unfortunately I imagine some VSmancers on this thread would throw a fit if that happened. Pity, as it could be an interesting twist.

  




Oh I am certain that Ashley and Kaiden will be the ones that turn Shepard in 3  at least its my theory . 

I hope so. Bioware has the potential to have some really gut-wrenching moments in their finale, it'd be a shame if the chance was wasted for fear some fans will be annoyed their romance choice dies. 

[Zeratul20]

candidate88766 wrote...

ExtremeOne wrote...

candidate88766 wrote...

Chewin3 wrote...

@candidate88799

Maybe, or maybe it's just one reason of that could the same of why Shepard was made a spectre in first istance: to hunt down a rouge spectre. To the eyes of the Council and of the Alliance, Shepard joined a terrorist organization, s/he extinguished a whole species (the collectors) and then also destroyed a whole solar system, with 300 000 civilians inside it. They think that Shepard is now at the level of Saren, probably. So they choose another expendable soldier, wich also knows Shepard, his/her strategies and his/her modus operandi, to find him/her in case he/she won't accept to respond of his/her crimes. If so, the VS is a sensed choice, even the unique sensed choice.

Credits goes to Alienmorph

You mean that maybe they're there to keep an eye on Shepard, potentially bring him in if he goes 'rogue' in the Council's eyes? I like that idea. Particularly if you romanced them - it adds an element of tragedy to the story. Perhaps having to chose between what you believe is the right thing to do (potentially against what the Council views as right, thus leading the VS to try and stop you) and siding with your LI but going against your principles.

Unfortunately I imagine some VSmancers on this thread would throw a fit if that happened. Pity, as it could be an interesting twist.

  




Oh I am certain that Ashley and Kaiden will be the ones that turn Shepard in 3  at least its my theory . 

I hope so. Bioware has the potential to have some really gut-wrenching moments in their finale, it'd be a shame if the chance was wasted for fear some fans will be annoyed their romance choice dies. 

That has the potential for greatness, if it isn't shoehorned in, of course.
If they do it right, it could be fantastic.

[ExtremeOne]

It could be one of the greatest things in gaming if done right .

[candidate88766]

It could be far better than something like Shepard sacrificing himself to stop the Reapers - a choice between potentially sacrificing a member of your team - possibly even your LI - or sacrificing your principles.

Bioware could really make Shepard suffer in order to stop the Reapers, and I hope they do. It could be an ending that stays with us for years to come.

[Paragon Gabriel]

Chewin3 wrote...

Maybe, or maybe it's just one reason of that could the same of why Shepard was made a spectre in first istance: to hunt down a rouge spectre. To the eyes of the Council and of the Alliance, Shepard joined a terrorist organization, s/he extinguished a whole species (the collectors) and then also destroyed a whole solar system, with 300 000 civilians inside it. They think that Shepard is now at the level of Saren, probably. So they choose another expendable soldier, wich also knows Shepard, his/her strategies and his/her modus operandi, to find him/her in case he/she won't accept to respond of his/her crimes. If so, the VS is a sensed choice, even the unique sensed choice.

Credits goes to Alienmorph

I like this one, I like this one a lot. Nice work there, Chewin3

[Foolsfolly]

candidate88766 wrote...

It could be far better than something like Shepard sacrificing himself to stop the Reapers - a choice between potentially sacrificing a member of your team - possibly even your LI - or sacrificing your principles.

Bioware could really make Shepard suffer in order to stop the Reapers, and I hope they do. It could be an ending that stays with us for years to come.

But it has to be handled really really really well. Otherwise you have the Fallout 3 ending all over again, and the fan backlash will be massive.

[Chewin]

@Gabriel the First

It wasn't my idea. As I said, credits goes to Aliemorph (Scroll down a few posts)

[candidate88766]

Foolsfolly wrote...

candidate88766 wrote...

It could be far better than something like Shepard sacrificing himself to stop the Reapers - a choice between potentially sacrificing a member of your team - possibly even your LI - or sacrificing your principles.

Bioware could really make Shepard suffer in order to stop the Reapers, and I hope they do. It could be an ending that stays with us for years to come.

But it has to be handled really really really well. Otherwise you have the Fallout 3 ending all over again, and the fan backlash will be massive.

I just hope Bioware is up to the task. It may be better if a scenario like this doesn't happen to everyone - perhaps dependant on choices you've made and the way you've spoken to characters. If it only happens to some people it will, I think, seem more profound. If it happens to everyone regardless of previous choices it will probably fall closer to being like the Fallout 3 ending.

[Foolsfolly]

Agreed, candidate88766.

[Paragon Gabriel]

As long as we 'trilogy' players get some exclusive choices or something, I'm all good

[darknoon5]

I created a poll  to see what the consensus is. The options are pretty simple, so I'd appreciate if people could explain their choices if possible.

[Dean_the_Young]

darknoon5 wrote...

Also, the game shows

And here's the crux of things: in the game, biotics are both nerfed  and incredibly over-broken compared to the lore. In lore, biotics aren't individuals who can through around their powers-willy-nilly for entire missions, multiple times a minute, and then simply wait for a short cooldown before doing it again.

In lore, biotics are exhausting. Like, 'Biotics need to eat two/three times as much as non-biotics to not collapse.' Like, biotic-overuse and over-exhaustion is both real and common. Biotics are capable of extreme power (as shown in the cinema, and nerfed in gameplay), but biotics are an incredible drain (as not shown in cinem, or in the gameplay) and are not capable of constant spamming (as a factor of gameplay).

Biotics are to non-biotics what sprinters are to runners. They can do a lot of very impressive damage quickly... but they can't spam it, and they can't keep it up. And without putting that limited power into barriers for themselves, they're just as vulnerable as anyone else as well.

[LordEurope]

My main gripe with Ashley being a Spectre is lack of experience.

Shepard was an N7 with close to a decade of combat experience, Ashley is a regular grunt with little or no experience before ME1. After that she has 2-3 years of experience. That is nothing.
In fact in ME1 she could have been aboard the ship the whole time and not gotten any experience at all.

Also who is seeing Ashley talking down a batarian holding a hostage or convincing anyone to do ****?

[didymos1120]

LordEurope wrote...

In fact in ME1 she could have been aboard the ship the whole time and not gotten any experience at all.

The story doesn't give a sh!t about who you did and didn't use.  This is again bringing gameplay in where it doesn't belong.

[LordEurope]

didymos1120 wrote...

LordEurope wrote...

In fact in ME1 she could have been aboard the ship the whole time and not gotten any experience at all.

The story doesn't give a sh!t about who you did and didn't use.  This is again bringing gameplay in where it doesn't belong.

There is nothing in the story that says she was with Shepard either

[GodWood]

LordEurope wrote...
My main gripe with Ashley being a Spectre is lack of experience.
Shepard was an N7 with close to a decade of combat experience, Ashley is a regular grunt with little or no experience before ME1. After that she has 2-3 years of experience. That is nothing.

At the time of ME3 Ash is 28.
One year younger than what Shepard was when (s)he became a Spectre.