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ddv.rsa wrote...

Huh? I must have missed a chapter.. when did Kaiden / Ashely become a Spectre?


A blatantly inaccurate, poorly written PS3 Magazine articles claims they are.  Just for perspective, they also seem to think James Sanders is the sniper from the trailer, depsite Bioware saying he's not.

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It has a high chance of being fake since the article stateing it was wrong in many things.

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LordEurope wrote...

I'm sorry but this is something I can't agree with. Neither Kaiden or Ashley are good enough to be Spectres. Spectres are supposed to be the best of the best. They are miles behind Shepard, Saren or that asari Spectre.

What have they done to deserve this? If any of them tries to overrule my command n ME3 I will put a bullet in them.


Maybe their appointment as spectres is more political rather than them having the necessary skills?

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Well, Shepard 'was' dead and he's currently 'rogue' at the moment. It makes sense that Humanity would push for their next most popular warhero to being a Spectre.

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Even if they are Spectres they are going to rot on the Ship as far as I am concered

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While I think Ashley or Kaiden being a spectre would be cool... that article didn't look for real to me. Ash would most likely refuse and I can't see Kaiden accepting either.

But if it's real then its all good to me.

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Ash and or Kaidan fought just as hard as Sheperd to save the galaxy.I say the title is well deserved. Good for them if true.

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LordEurope wrote...

I'm sorry but this is something I can't agree with. Neither Kaiden or Ashley are good enough to be Spectres. Spectres are supposed to be the best of the best. They are miles behind Shepard, Saren or that asari Spectre.

What have they done to deserve this?

Oh I dont know..help save the whole damn galaxy and the citadel from a reaper invasion. 

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ROD525 wrote...

Ash and or Kaidan fought just as hard as Sheperd to save the galaxy.I say the title is well deserved. Good for them if true.

 


what ever they can have a stupid title that means nothing . but they are pieces of garbage and one way or another those 2 will pay for their actions on Horizon .  There will never be a Retcon that will make me like or have any love for those 2 pricks .  

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First off I dont buy into this at all, it could have been one of those fairly common early magazine coverage misunderstandings. Second if Ashley does become a Spectre, its only one more reason for my Shep and I to hate her and want to see her suffer and be berated as much as possible. I plan on being as nasty of a jerk to her as the game will allow, which I'm sure wont be enough. Im angry that she is even going to be on the squad, i hope I can reject her. I've never fan-hated and character in anything before ever, until Ashley, she just gets under my skin. Why didn't I save Kaiden instead!!!!!

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ExtremeOne wrote...

ROD525 wrote...

Ash and or Kaidan fought just as hard as Sheperd to save the galaxy.I say the title is well deserved. Good for them if true.

 


what ever they can have a stupid title that means nothing . but they are pieces of garbage and one way or another those 2 will pay for their actions on Horizon .  There will never be a Retcon that will make me like or have any love for those 2 pricks .  


Seriously, "How dare you yell at me!" Such heinous actions like that can't go unpunished.

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mjh417 wrote...

Second if Ashley does become a Spectre, its only one more reason for my Shep and I to hate her and want to see her suffer and be berated as much as possible.


You hate her for getting a new job? :huh:

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LordEurope wrote...

I'm sorry but this is something I can't agree with. Neither Kaiden or Ashley are good enough to be Spectres. Spectres are supposed to be the best of the best. They are miles behind Shepard, Saren or that asari Spectre.

Have you played ME1? Level 60 Ashley is a nigh-unkillable beast, able to go toe-to-toe with charging krogans with the right build (Immunity is your friend). She's basically every bit as tough as Soldier Shepard, which is saying a lot. And as an old Sentinel player, I have to say, show Kaidan some love. He's a great "utility infielder" who can have great biotic combat, hacking, and medical skills, and he shows a lot of insight during his conversations on the SR1. Either of them would make a fine Spectre by 2185.

Plus, you know, badly sourced data, so there's that. Image IPB

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RolandX9 wrote...

Have you played ME1? Level 60 Ashley is a nigh-unkillable beast, able to go toe-to-toe with charging krogans with the right build (Immunity is your friend). She's basically every bit as tough as Soldier Shepard, which is saying a lot. And as an old Sentinel player, I have to say, show Kaidan some love. He's a great "utility infielder" who can have great biotic combat, hacking, and medical skills, and he shows a lot of insight during his conversations on the SR1. Either of them would make a fine Spectre by 2185.


Bringing gameplay-only stuff into this doesn't work.  For instance, Jack is kinda crap gameplay-wise, but canonically, she's TEH AWESUM.  Also: bringing ME1 gameplay stuff into this REALLY doesn't work.  It just doesn't translate over to the new system in any meaningful way whatsoever.

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PrinceLionheart wrote...

ExtremeOne wrote...

ROD525 wrote...

Ash and or Kaidan fought just as hard as Sheperd to save the galaxy.I say the title is well deserved. Good for them if true.

 


what ever they can have a stupid title that means nothing . but they are pieces of garbage and one way or another those 2 will pay for their actions on Horizon .  There will never be a Retcon that will make me like or have any love for those 2 pricks .  


Seriously, "How dare you yell at me!" Such heinous actions like that can't go unpunished.

   




You dam right since Bioware did not allow My Shepard to deal with them in a real and logical way . In ME 3 those 2 will sit on that Ship and rot the whole time . One way or another I will get my revenge for their actions on horizon . I might not be able to kill them because in ME 1 I sent Ashley to die and Its bull Sh*t that she is alive in 2.  If I can not kill them they will suffer on the Ship simple as that . You think I am a little extreme well here is something to think about . Would you take any one talking sh*t about you and calling you a traitor with out wanting to deal with her in a harsh way . hell no there is no one would stand for that crap.  

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ExtremeOne wrote...

ROD525 wrote...

Ash and or Kaidan fought just as hard as Sheperd to save the galaxy.I say the title is well deserved. Good for them if true.

 


what ever they can have a stupid title that means nothing . but they are pieces of garbage and one way or another those 2 will pay for their actions on Horizon .  There will never be a Retcon that will make me like or have any love for those 2 pricks .  

Because they didn't jump on the terrorist train with you they have to pay. I admit I was taken by surprise with the Virmire survivors words on Horizon but I understand the reason they didn't jump to join up with you.
They remember the events of Mass Effect 1,and all the horrible things Cerebus did even if Sheperd has severe memory loss. You act like they kicked your puppy or something.

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ExtremeOne wrote...
  There will never be a Retcon that will make me like or have any love for those 2 pricks .  


Them becoming Spectres ( if indeed that actually happens) is NOT a retcon. 

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didymos1120 wrote...

RolandX9 wrote...

Have you played ME1? Level 60 Ashley is a nigh-unkillable beast, able to go toe-to-toe with charging krogans with the right build (Immunity is your friend). She's basically every bit as tough as Soldier Shepard, which is saying a lot. And as an old Sentinel player, I have to say, show Kaidan some love. He's a great "utility infielder" who can have great biotic combat, hacking, and medical skills, and he shows a lot of insight during his conversations on the SR1. Either of them would make a fine Spectre by 2185.


Bringing gameplay-only stuff into this doesn't work.  For instance, Jack is kinda crap gameplay-wise, but canonically, she's TEH AWESUM.  Also: bringing ME1 gameplay stuff into this REALLY doesn't work.  It just doesn't translate over to the new system in any meaningful way whatsoever.

Hell, even if you want to go based off of the story they still have an impressive track record. Kaidan is one of the strongest human biotics introduced in the series and Ashley, as described by Shepard, has a flawless record and had exemplary technical scores. The only reason why her military rank was so low is because her family is blackballed by Alliance Brass. 

Modifié par PrinceLionheart, 21 avril 2011 - 10:17 .


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didymos1120 wrote...

ExtremeOne wrote...
  There will never be a Retcon that will make me like or have any love for those 2 pricks .  


Them becoming Spectres ( if indeed that actually happens) is NOT a retcon. 

  




I meant as far as anything they say or their character acting different 

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Just me and my baby Ashley, two lone Spectres going against the world. THE WORLD...

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PrinceLionheart wrote...

Hell, even if you want to go based off of the story they still have an impressive track record. Kaidan is one of the strongest human biotics introduced in the series and Ashley, as described by Shepard, has a flawless record and had exemplary technical scores. The only reason why her military rank was so low is because her family is blackballed by Alliance Brass. 


Well, there you go: something that has some real, canonical weight.  Gameplay generally doesn't.

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RolandX9 wrote...

LordEurope wrote...

I'm sorry but this is something I can't agree with. Neither Kaiden or Ashley are good enough to be Spectres. Spectres are supposed to be the best of the best. They are miles behind Shepard, Saren or that asari Spectre.

Have you played ME1? Level 60 Ashley is a nigh-unkillable beast, able to go toe-to-toe with charging krogans with the right build (Immunity is your friend). She's basically every bit as tough as Soldier Shepard, which is saying a lot. And as an old Sentinel player, I have to say, show Kaidan some love. He's a great "utility infielder" who can have great biotic combat, hacking, and medical skills, and he shows a lot of insight during his conversations on the SR1. Either of them would make a fine Spectre by 2185.

Plus, you know, badly sourced data, so there's that. Image IPB


While I agree a Level 60 Ashley is a monster and she tanks well with my vanguard and wrex, thats a game play thing.

Story wise... Ash and Kaiden helped Shepard save the galaxy and who knows what they were doing in Shep's two year absense.

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hell no there is no one would stand for that crap.  


I'm sorry but I'm going have to call BS. If your perogative is to hold a grudge, then more power to you, but simply being just as close minded as retribution is just as shortsided and even hypocritical. Especialyl since they outright apologize to you after Horizon ends. Me personally, I'm not going to demonize them because of one are of crappy writing.

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ROD525 wrote...

ExtremeOne wrote...

ROD525 wrote...

Ash and or Kaidan fought just as hard as Sheperd to save the galaxy.I say the title is well deserved. Good for them if true.

 


what ever they can have a stupid title that means nothing . but they are pieces of garbage and one way or another those 2 will pay for their actions on Horizon .  There will never be a Retcon that will make me like or have any love for those 2 pricks .  

Because they didn't jump on the terrorist train with you they have to pay. I admit I was taken by surprise with the Virmire survivors words on Horizon but I understand the reason they didn't jump to join up with you.
They remember the events of Mass Effect 1,and all the horrible things Cerebus did even if Sheperd has severe memory loss. You act like they kicked your puppy or something.

  






Its not about them not joing Cerberus thats not the issue I have with them . My Issue with them is they were able to talk all this garbage and call Shepard a traitor and him not having a logical way to respond back . Its as if Shepard was suppose to just stand there and listen to this ass chewing out and he has no right to be mad or say anything . that is wrong and  Bioware made a mistake in that part of 2 .  

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PrinceLionheart wrote...

ExtremeOne wrote...

hell no there is no one would stand for that crap.  


I'm sorry but I'm going have to call BS. If your perogative is to hold a grudge, then more power to you, but simply being just as close minded as retribution is just as shortsided and even hypocritical. Especialyl since they outright apologize to you after Horizon ends. Me personally, I'm not going to demonize them because of one are of crappy writing.

  





we  will disagree on that . I just think Shepard should have a right to deal with those 2 in his own way instead of being nerfed like he was .