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[PrinceLionheart]

100k wrote...

It's just a hypothetical possibility. Also, we know that Ash/Kaiden some times get too emotional over things. If a situation came up involving the SB, or Cerberus, or Earth's fate, or other races, Ash/Kaiden would not only likely have a different opinion on how to handle the situation, but the authority to back it up.

Also, I don't really hate the VS. I dislike Kaiden because he's a plank of wood, and I liked Ash up until ME2 where she got completely screwed over as a character (to which I blame Bioware).

The thing is though, why would VS try to take control away from Shep, when Miranda, who is just as opinionated, followed your every command? Even with major things like wiping out the colonist on Feros or releasing the Rachni, both Ash and Kaidan were mature and accepted Shep's decisions. 

[Badpie]

Wizz wrote...

mrsph wrote...

Wizz wrote...

*snip*
If you were a team mate who would be more scary for you?

*snip*
Ashley wins

I'm going to have nightmares tonight.

OH MY GOD THAT WAS TERRIFYING!

[ExtremeOne]

PrinceLionheart wrote...

100k wrote...

It's just a hypothetical possibility. Also, we know that Ash/Kaiden some times get too emotional over things. If a situation came up involving the SB, or Cerberus, or Earth's fate, or other races, Ash/Kaiden would not only likely have a different opinion on how to handle the situation, but the authority to back it up.

Also, I don't really hate the VS. I dislike Kaiden because he's a plank of wood, and I liked Ash up until ME2 where she got completely screwed over as a character (to which I blame Bioware).

The thing is though, why would VS try to take control away from Shep, when Miranda, who is just as opinionated, followed your every command? Even with major things like wiping out the colonist on Feros or releasing the Rachni, both Ash and Kaidan were mature and accepted Shep's decisions. 

 








Well If Bioware has no problem with doing retcons on the ME story. I would not put it past them to do something silly has have Ashley and Kaiden try to control Shepard . since Bioware clearly want to make Shepard out as a crimnal in 3 

[KotOREffecT]

I always knew for a while now anyway that the VS would possibly become a Spectre. There may come a point when Shepard gets in to deep in a situation, like maybe doing something terrible, and who else but to come and try to talk to him and get things straightned out. I see a whole lot of possible things happening now that the VS is a Spectre. Man ME3 is going to be a wild ride!

Modifié par KotOREffecT, 22 avril 2011 - 09:14 .

[ADLegend21]

ExtremeOne wrote...

PrinceLionheart wrote...

100k wrote...

It's just a hypothetical possibility. Also, we know that Ash/Kaiden some times get too emotional over things. If a situation came up involving the SB, or Cerberus, or Earth's fate, or other races, Ash/Kaiden would not only likely have a different opinion on how to handle the situation, but the authority to back it up.

Also, I don't really hate the VS. I dislike Kaiden because he's a plank of wood, and I liked Ash up until ME2 where she got completely screwed over as a character (to which I blame Bioware).

The thing is though, why would VS try to take control away from Shep, when Miranda, who is just as opinionated, followed your every command? Even with major things like wiping out the colonist on Feros or releasing the Rachni, both Ash and Kaidan were mature and accepted Shep's decisions. 

 








Well If Bioware has no problem with doing retcons on the ME story. I would not put it past them to do something silly has have Ashley and Kaiden try to control Shepard . since Bioware clearly want to make Shepard out as a crimnal in 3 

oh yeah because blowing up a relay and destroying an inhabitted solar system just screams law abiding citizen.

[100k]

ExtremeOne wrote...

PrinceLionheart wrote...

100k wrote...

It's just a hypothetical possibility. Also, we know that Ash/Kaiden some times get too emotional over things. If a situation came up involving the SB, or Cerberus, or Earth's fate, or other races, Ash/Kaiden would not only likely have a different opinion on how to handle the situation, but the authority to back it up.

Also, I don't really hate the VS. I dislike Kaiden because he's a plank of wood, and I liked Ash up until ME2 where she got completely screwed over as a character (to which I blame Bioware).

The thing is though, why would VS try to take control away from Shep, when Miranda, who is just as opinionated, followed your every command? Even with major things like wiping out the colonist on Feros or releasing the Rachni, both Ash and Kaidan were mature and accepted Shep's decisions. 

 








Well If Bioware has no problem with doing retcons on the ME story. I would not put it past them to do something silly has have Ashley and Kaiden try to control Shepard . since Bioware clearly want to make Shepard out as a crimnal in 3 

Hence the VSs "officially briefing" role could be to monitor, track, or even limit Shepard. 

[Raizo]

LordEurope wrote...

I'm sorry but this is something I can't agree with. Neither Kaiden or Ashley are good enough to be Spectres. Spectres are supposed to be the best of the best. They are miles behind Shepard, Saren or that asari Spectre.

What have they done to deserve this? If any of them tries to overrule my command n ME3 I will put a bullet in them.

I don't know enough about Kaiden to question whether he is fit for Spectre status or not but I don't think Ashley is good enough to be a Spectre. That's not to say that she isn't a great Soldier, I could see her being an Alliance soldier for life and rising quite high in the Ranks provided that her superiors don't discriminate against her and her familys legacy. Ironically it's because Ashley is such a great Alliance soldier that she is not cut out to be a Spectre, I think she needs the structure of the military, she needs that chain of command, I can see her being a good soldier and taking orders from her superiors and I can also see her one day being a Admiral or a General and giving the orders but I don't think Ashley could survive without the military. Spectre's tend to work alone and often outside of the system. They obviously need to be great soldiers but they also need to be very flexible and adaptable to different circumstances. Ashley's viewpoint on life is very narrow, she sees things in black and white and has not shown any eveidence that she can adapt to different or complicated situations.

[ExtremeOne]

ADLegend21 wrote...

ExtremeOne wrote...

PrinceLionheart wrote...

100k wrote...

It's just a hypothetical possibility. Also, we know that Ash/Kaiden some times get too emotional over things. If a situation came up involving the SB, or Cerberus, or Earth's fate, or other races, Ash/Kaiden would not only likely have a different opinion on how to handle the situation, but the authority to back it up.

Also, I don't really hate the VS. I dislike Kaiden because he's a plank of wood, and I liked Ash up until ME2 where she got completely screwed over as a character (to which I blame Bioware).

The thing is though, why would VS try to take control away from Shep, when Miranda, who is just as opinionated, followed your every command? Even with major things like wiping out the colonist on Feros or releasing the Rachni, both Ash and Kaidan were mature and accepted Shep's decisions. 

 








Well If Bioware has no problem with doing retcons on the ME story. I would not put it past them to do something silly has have Ashley and Kaiden try to control Shepard . since Bioware clearly want to make Shepard out as a crimnal in 3 

oh yeah because blowing up a relay and destroying an inhabitted solar system just screams law abiding citizen.

   




Its called getting the job done to save humanity and stopping the reapers . 

[Zubie]

"omg the VS should NOT be spectre cause they suck! and i hate them! herp derp!"

[ExtremeOne]

100k wrote...

ExtremeOne wrote...

PrinceLionheart wrote...

100k wrote...

It's just a hypothetical possibility. Also, we know that Ash/Kaiden some times get too emotional over things. If a situation came up involving the SB, or Cerberus, or Earth's fate, or other races, Ash/Kaiden would not only likely have a different opinion on how to handle the situation, but the authority to back it up.

Also, I don't really hate the VS. I dislike Kaiden because he's a plank of wood, and I liked Ash up until ME2 where she got completely screwed over as a character (to which I blame Bioware).

The thing is though, why would VS try to take control away from Shep, when Miranda, who is just as opinionated, followed your every command? Even with major things like wiping out the colonist on Feros or releasing the Rachni, both Ash and Kaidan were mature and accepted Shep's decisions. 

 








Well If Bioware has no problem with doing retcons on the ME story. I would not put it past them to do something silly has have Ashley and Kaiden try to control Shepard . since Bioware clearly want to make Shepard out as a crimnal in 3 

Hence the VSs "officially briefing" role could be to monitor, track, or even limit Shepard. 

   




If they do try to stop Shepard then I better have a way of dealing with them this time .  

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

ExtremeOne wrote...

Its called getting the job done to save humanity and stopping the reapers . 

"sigh"

Is it that hard to understand that only a few people believe in the Reapers?

[100k]

ExtremeOne wrote...

100k wrote...

ExtremeOne wrote...

PrinceLionheart wrote...

100k wrote...

It's just a hypothetical possibility. Also, we know that Ash/Kaiden some times get too emotional over things. If a situation came up involving the SB, or Cerberus, or Earth's fate, or other races, Ash/Kaiden would not only likely have a different opinion on how to handle the situation, but the authority to back it up.

Also, I don't really hate the VS. I dislike Kaiden because he's a plank of wood, and I liked Ash up until ME2 where she got completely screwed over as a character (to which I blame Bioware).

The thing is though, why would VS try to take control away from Shep, when Miranda, who is just as opinionated, followed your every command? Even with major things like wiping out the colonist on Feros or releasing the Rachni, both Ash and Kaidan were mature and accepted Shep's decisions. 

 








Well If Bioware has no problem with doing retcons on the ME story. I would not put it past them to do something silly has have Ashley and Kaiden try to control Shepard . since Bioware clearly want to make Shepard out as a crimnal in 3 

Hence the VSs "officially briefing" role could be to monitor, track, or even limit Shepard. 

   




If they do try to stop Shepard then I better have a way of dealing with them this time .  

I can see it now:

Kaiden: DON'T FOLLOW THAT ORDER. I'm sorry commander, I watched you do some pretty extreme things; working for Cerberus, saving the geth, even the Rachni! But this is too far. I won't let you --

Renegade prompt -- *Shepard back-hand* 

Paragon prompt --  B!tch, please.

Modifié par 100k, 22 avril 2011 - 09:44 .

[didymos1120]

Wizz wrote...

ROD525 wrote...
Kaiden is a very powerful Biotic

Nope. He cannot create singularity.

By this made-up criterion, neither Jack nor Samara nor Morinth are "very powerful biotics"
because the devs didn't give them singularity.  

[ExtremeOne]

Lizardviking wrote...

ExtremeOne wrote...

Its called getting the job done to save humanity and stopping the reapers . 

"sigh"

Is it that hard to understand that only a few people believe in the Reapers?

  





I am not interested in worring if they believe in the reapers or not . I am out to save humanity and Earth . I will do it one way or another .   

[didymos1120]

ExtremeOne wrote...

If they do try to stop Shepard then I better have a way of dealing with them this time .  

Yeah, leave 'em on the ship.  Your digital murder fantasies are unlikely to come to fruition.  You may luck out and be able to get them killed during some mission, but Shep will almost certainly react like that's a bad thing.

[Thompson family]

Re: OP.

Frankly, this was a pretty obviously a real possibility since Shepard agreed to work with Cerberus after Freedom's Progress, in the "Keep your list. I had a good team" conversation with TIM.

My VS was Kaiden. As I recall, TIM told me Kaiden's file was "surprisingly well classified," meaning even he couldn't get access to it.

Still, it's not proven yet. Also, the VS could probably get close enough to Shepard to get him/her when Shep's guard is down -- a pretty unique qualification.

Modifié par Thompson family, 22 avril 2011 - 09:49 .

[100k]

PrinceLionheart wrote...

100k wrote...

It's just a hypothetical possibility. Also, we know that Ash/Kaiden some times get too emotional over things. If a situation came up involving the SB, or Cerberus, or Earth's fate, or other races, Ash/Kaiden would not only likely have a different opinion on how to handle the situation, but the authority to back it up.

Also, I don't really hate the VS. I dislike Kaiden because he's a plank of wood, and I liked Ash up until ME2 where she got completely screwed over as a character (to which I blame Bioware).

The thing is though, why would VS try to take control away from Shep, when Miranda, who is just as opinionated, followed your every command? Even with major things like wiping out the colonist on Feros or releasing the Rachni, both Ash and Kaidan were mature and accepted Shep's decisions. 

Miranda was opinionated, yes. But she was also big on putting aside her personal feelings for the sake of the mission. On top of that, she was second in command. She followed orders.

Ash and Kaiden are more emotional. Their reactions to Shepard on Horizon proved that some times, in the heat of the moment, they put aside reasoning to yell at Shepard for being with Cerberus.

(Again, I completely blame Bioware for awful writing during this scene-- especially when I hit the logical option of "I'm not working for Cerberus" and got a speech about Shepard doing the right thing instead)

[ADLegend21]

Raizo wrote...

LordEurope wrote...

I'm sorry but this is something I can't agree with. Neither Kaiden or Ashley are good enough to be Spectres. Spectres are supposed to be the best of the best. They are miles behind Shepard, Saren or that asari Spectre.

What have they done to deserve this? If any of them tries to overrule my command n ME3 I will put a bullet in them.

I don't know enough about Kaiden to question whether he is fit for Spectre status or not but I don't think Ashley is good enough to be a Spectre. That's not to say that she isn't a great Soldier, I could see her being an Alliance soldier for life and rising quite high in the Ranks provided that her superiors don't discriminate against her and her familys legacy. Ironically it's because Ashley is such a great Alliance soldier that she is not cut out to be a Spectre, I think she needs the structure of the military, she needs that chain of command, I can see her being a good soldier and taking orders from her superiors and I can also see her one day being a Admiral or a General and giving the orders but I don't think Ashley could survive without the military. Spectre's tend to work alone and often outside of the system. They obviously need to be great soldiers but they also need to be very flexible and adaptable to different circumstances. Ashley's viewpoint on life is very narrow, she sees things in black and white and has not shown any eveidence that she can adapt to different or complicated situations.

She has the chain of command, report to Anderson and the council. she already worked alone on Horizon and probably the other colonies. Who knows? it's up to Bioware to fill in the blanks they left for the VS in ME2 to show why they're a Spectre now.

[ISpeakTheTruth]

The idea of the VS thinking they could have any kind of control over Shepard would be funny and silly of Bioware to do. A character that was in ME1 and depending on the way you played had very little to do there and then had a total of 1 minute in ME2 then in ME3 being put into some kind of leash holding role for Shepard would be a bad bad move.

Unless you have a chance to puch the VS in the face the first time they try and thats the end of it... I'd be ok with that.

[EternalPink]

Kaiden could work out and considering the first human spectre disappears and humanity has taken a seat on the council/now rule the council that i could see happening but Ashley is xenophobic so i highly doubt any aliens would agree to her being a spectre since she's more of a humanity cheerleader than miranda

[Nicodemus]

Not sure if this has been brought up before (apologies if so, not read the entire thread) but I can see this working in a saved game where the Humans run the council as they would have the power to make whoever they wanted a Spectre, however I don't see this working too well in a saved game where the original council was saved.

[Moiaussi]

Ok, for those saying the VS isn't qualified, what had Shepard done as of being up for consideration? Quit comparing Shepard as of ME2 or even as of the end of ME1 with the VS survivor. Nothing that we saw Shepard do other than having been set up by Saren is relevant to Shepard's appointment. He was already a candidate before we even meet him or get to play him.

Ashley and Kaiden have at least as much experience by the end of ME1 as Shepard did when he was appointed. Futhermore, there are political aspects to Spectre appointments. Garrus was seen as a loose cannon after Shepard 'died', and went rogue. Sure he accomplished a lot, but it was all unsanctioned, and not even under his own name. TIM didn't even know Garrus was Archangel. If he had known, why wouldn't he have told Shepard when Shep was asking about the old crew, esp since TIM had him singled out for recruitment? And once it was known, he went back to working with Shepard, who was considered at least unofficially rogue. Politically that make appointment a lot more difficult. How do people think it would work? Arrest Shep and put Shep on trial while promoting someone working with Shep before the trial is even over?

The VS on the other hand went back to being a loyal alliance lackey, accepting and obeying the transfer order and effectively working the system. We know for a fact they were sent on clandestine assignments and special ops, since TIM claimed not to know for certain what they were up to and Anderson couldn't talk about it with Shepard either. They may well have spent the two years in N7 and/or pre-spectre training for all we know.

That Jack or Miranda might have been better candidates is academic. Neither works for the Alliance nor the Council, so precisely how would either even get considered? Again, why would they put Shepard on trial, and promote a career pirate and mass murderer or an officer from a terrorist organization? (and skip the semantics on definition of terrorist. The Council uses the term, and it is there decision who to appoint).

[PrinceLionheart]

Nicodemus wrote...

Not sure if this has been brought up before (apologies if so, not read the entire thread) but I can see this working in a saved game where the Humans run the council as they would have the power to make whoever they wanted a Spectre, however I don't see this working too well in a saved game where the original council was saved.

Even in a game where the old council lives, it would work. Anderson would likely nominate VS so he could have his own personal soldier to investigate the Reaper Threat. Udina is crazy Pro-Human, so I wouldn't put it past him to want more human spectres.

[PrinceLionheart]

100k wrote...

Miranda was opinionated, yes. But she was also big on putting aside her personal feelings for the sake of the mission. On top of that, she was second in command. She followed orders.

Ash and Kaiden are more emotional. Their reactions to Shepard on Horizon proved that some times, in the heat of the moment, they put aside reasoning to yell at Shepard for being with Cerberus.

(Again, I completely blame Bioware for awful writing during this scene-- especially when I hit the logical option of "I'm not working for Cerberus" and got a speech about Shepard doing the right thing instead)

They refused to work for Shepard because he was allied with a terrorist group. That does not mean that, when under his orders, they'd refuse a command again. [smilie]http://social.bioware.com/images/forum/emoticons/angry.png[/smilie]

[ADLegend21]

Starting to see alot of "Kaidan is okay, but Ashley? no way!" Ashley is just as qualified as Kaidan to be a spectre if she's the VS. She's been held down by a bias against her family, but biases can't take away skill. She's a great leader and an exemplary soldier in the eyes of Councilor Anderson or Councilor Udina (threw up in my mouth a little when I said that) That's what matters. She's much more talented than Tela Vasir and Nihlus were, and she's NOT xenophobic. Having concerns about foreigners poking around an advanced war ship is concern, not xenophobia.