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[100k]

PrinceLionheart wrote...

100k wrote...

Miranda was opinionated, yes. But she was also big on putting aside her personal feelings for the sake of the mission. On top of that, she was second in command. She followed orders.

Ash and Kaiden are more emotional. Their reactions to Shepard on Horizon proved that some times, in the heat of the moment, they put aside reasoning to yell at Shepard for being with Cerberus.

(Again, I completely blame Bioware for awful writing during this scene-- especially when I hit the logical option of "I'm not working for Cerberus" and got a speech about Shepard doing the right thing instead)

They refused to work for Shepard because he was allied with a terrorist group. That does not mean that, when under his orders, they'd refuse a command again. [smilie]http://social.bioware.com/images/forum/emoticons/angry.png[/smilie]

You're assuming that they'd be under his orders. As Spectres, the VS doesn't answer to Shepard. If they felt strongly enough that what Shepard was doing was wrong, they could kill him, his team, his crew, and go back to the Council to explain themselves. NO! I am NOT saying that is what will happen. NO! I am not saying that they have the ability to kill Shepard n Co. What I am saying is that, as Spectres, they are independent agents.

[ADLegend21]

Ashley and Kaidan would never refuse an orde rShepard would givethem, regarrdless if they're equals with her or not. End of story.

[gorrillasnake]

ash is a sole-survivor so yeah shes the 2nd human spectre

Modifié par gorrillasnake, 23 avril 2011 - 12:05 .

[Sorrel]

I don't know. I can see post-Horizon Kaidan going 'No, I won't obey you,' at least right off the bat.

[FenrisDeSolar]

I'm excited about the prospect of them being promoted to Spectre status.

Ash is one hell of a soldier, capable beyond her merits, loyal and ambitious. She's also objective and strong-willed. Her working with Shepard would only cement her strengths, but also give her perspective and insight that not a lot of people possess. Aware of the Reaper-threats, there is likely nothing that will stop her from reaching her goals, as long as each milestone brings her closer to defeating the Reapers.

Kaidan is experienced in combat, a marine to the core. His biotics are exceptional -- he's no Jack, certainly, but he is talented. He adamantly wants to work towards good goals, and working with Shepard would likely have inspired him to work even harder (if that's possible) to save as many people as he can; or not save the little guy, and think more of the greater good, if he's been hardened. Kaidan would also do anything within his power to defeat the Reapers.

These two are loyal to the Alliance, they are loyal to Earth, to humanity. We don't know what they have achieved while not working for Shepard. But I'm still convinced they're the perfect bloody candidates for Spectres.

[Moiaussi]

100k wrote...

You're assuming that they'd be under his orders. As Spectres, the VS doesn't answer to Shepard. If they felt strongly enough that what Shepard was doing was wrong, they could kill him, his team, his crew, and go back to the Council to explain themselves. NO! I am NOT saying that is what will happen. NO! I am not saying that they have the ability to kill Shepard n Co. What I am saying is that, as Spectres, they are independent agents.

Everyone is an independant agent though. Samara could decide Shepard has gone too far. Morinth or Jack could just rebel out of boredom. Mordin could have orders from the STG. Kasumi or Zaeed could spot an opportunity. Miranda could be blackmailed by threats against her sister. Legion could conclude that Shepard is a risk to the Geth. Tali could become torn between loyalty to her late father and to Shepard. Grunt could just get fed up and decide Shepard is too weak or Garrus that Shep is too forgiving. Jacob? Who knows... jealousy over Miranda maybe?

None of those are likely either (and some of them are particularly cheesy), but the point is that any order is only as binding as the recipient allows it to be.

[Manic Sheep]

I don’t get why people thing the VS can’t be a spectre... what have they done to deserve it? They helped you save the citadel and stop Saren for one. That would likely get them some attention and it has been two years. I assume they weren’t sitting around twiddling their thumbs the whole time. Both Kaidan and Ashley are meant to be talented and both are meant to have excellent records.

ADLegend21 wrote...

Ashley and Kaidan would never refuse an orde rShepard would givethem, regarrdless if they're equals with her or not. End of story.

Why not? Why would they trust Shepards judgment over their own when you don’t outrank them?

Modifié par Manic Sheep, 22 avril 2011 - 11:51 .

[Pwener2313]

One of the requirements to be a spectre is to be cool? Shepard isn't cool, he's a badass. This seems like trolling.

[didymos1120]

gorrillasnake wrote...

ash is a sole-survivor so yeah she the 2nd human spectre

What the hell are you talking about? 

[TevinterMagister]

I think they are more than capable as Spectre material in ability. But after the speech they gave on Horizon it's clear they don't have what it takes to get the job done as a Spectre. I don't have much faith in BW writing anymore so I guess anything goes.

[thatguy212]

didymos1120 wrote...

gorrillasnake wrote...

ash is a sole-survivor so yeah she the 2nd human spectre

What the hell are you talking about? 

You have to remember that Gorrillasnake is an idiot who thinks there are spectre symbols on everything, i think he's talking about how she wasn't killed by the geth unlike the rest of her squad, but thats nothing like shepard surviving the thresher maw because A) Shepard survived and wasn't saved by a marines passing by, and A Giant Worm made of Sharp teeth that spits acid is nothing like robots with a flashlight head

Modifié par thatguy212, 23 avril 2011 - 12:02 .

[Pani Mauser]

PrinceLionheart wrote...
They refused to work for Shepard because he was allied with a terrorist group. That does not mean that, when under his orders, they'd refuse a command again. [smilie]http://social.bioware.com/images/forum/emoticons/angry.png[/smilie]

It means VS trust Alliance more than s/he trusts Shepard. How can you be sure that they won't shoot you in the back when Alliance tells them so?

Modifié par Babe Mause, 23 avril 2011 - 12:07 .

[Pwener2313]

For me, Sole Survivor should not have been a background choice. Shepard got lucky, nowhere it was said he survived from skill. He got lucky and was saved by marines (yes, he was).

[gorrillasnake]

im telling you she is!!!!!!!! ...you dont even have the magazine..you have some bootleg scans .....i have the actual game informer and when me3 comes out and shes a spectre...imma go on your profile and say i told you so

thatguy212 wrote...

didymos1120 wrote...

gorrillasnake wrote...

ash is a sole-survivor so yeah she the 2nd human spectre

What the hell are you talking about? 

You have to remember that Gorrillasnake is an idiot who thinks there are spectre symbols on everything, i think he's talking about how she wasn't killed by the geth unlike the rest of her squad, but thats nothing like shepard surviving the thresher maw because A) Shepard survived and wasn't saved by a marines passing by, and A Giant Worm made of Sharp teeth that spits acid is nothing like robots with a flashlight head

Modifié par gorrillasnake, 23 avril 2011 - 12:06 .

[ExtremeOne]

Babe Mause wrote...

PrinceLionheart wrote...
They refused to work for Shepard because he was allied with a terrorist group. That does not mean that, when under his orders, they'd refuse a command again. [smilie]http://social.bioware.com/images/forum/emoticons/angry.png[/smilie]

It means, VS trust Alliance more than s/he trusts Shepard. How can you be sure that they won't shoot you in the back when Alliance tells them so?

  


I bet they would kill Shepard as well . As Ashley said on horizon she is a alliance soldier . She does not  give a dam about Shepard .  

[MizzNaaa]

It is trolling.

Plus, people seem to forget the political aspects of the story, like say..uh humans finally having a say in the galaxy! Whether or not you saved the council, humans now get to have a say, it goes without saying that they choose more spectres to join. And if somebody bloody remembers the first game, the reason why Udina wanted Shepard among the spectres is because they needed someone who's loyal to the core to humanity and the Alliance, someone who could be the leverage they need to have a larger role on the galactic spectrum. Now let's think here, if humans finally get to -say- have half a dozen agents in the spectres who'd Anderson or Udina think of first? The human heros who were with Shepard saving the citadel and the galaxy, ala Kaidan/Ash depending on who survived.

Why? Because they're damn good soldiers, they're loyal to the Alliance and -OH MY GOD- they stepped up to Shepard and refused to join her/him on Horizon because they have beliefs and stood by them.

So yeah, the whole 'Payback's a b*tch' and 'How dare they stand up to my Shepard, I shall kill them all' is just kinda childish in my opinion, because oh my god there's a character in a video game who didn't worship the main hero. And yeah, fyi, Kaidan/Ash actually owned up to their behavior on Horizon and sent the damn email for a reason.

Plus, you tell me, the love of your life is dead for 2 years, then all of a sudden you get 'REPORTS' telling you oh, your lovie isn't dead, he/she is alive, well and kicking ass with terrorists!

Resurrection according to the ME world isn't 'common' or 'normal' it's cutting edge technology and breakthrough in medicine, so they thought Shep was undercover. A 2 minute reunion when you're overwhelmed by the fact that your lover is actually alive, didn't try to contact you isn't enough for you to rationalize things, and decide their might be some truth to what Shepard says. So they left, and when they had some time to sit down and let it all sink in, they realized that what they did was wrong and apologized and hoped for things to be better.

And they left you a way out.

Truth is, to me, that gives them more character and depth than any other character in that game. Garrus -as much as I love him, seriously I freaking adore him- was being stupid and irrational, doing the exact same things Shepard taught him not to (paragon Shep that is), and going to 'save' people on his own as a merc. Look where it got him, just because Shepard died. And Tali, well Tali refused to join, and was skeptical at first, but eventually had the chance to join and so she did. The VS also eventually will have that chance, but in ME3 and that's why they're joining...

Again, that's just my opinion.

Modifié par MizzNaaa, 23 avril 2011 - 12:13 .

[naledgeborn]

Ash/Kaidan as SpecTRes.... meh. If Bioware wants to go that route they'll do better by promoting Garrus. If Garrus is a SpecTRe when ME3 rolls around then we're talking.

[Pwener2313]

gorrillasnake wrote...

im telling you she is!!!!!!!! ...you dont even have the magazine..you have some bootleg scans .....i have the actual game informer and when me3 comes out and shes a spectre...imma go on your profile and say i told you so

Dude, everyone has seen the GameInformer article. Nowhere it says they're specters. I'd love them to be, but don't cry victory yet, you'll just ****** people off. Ash and LT have many enemies here.......

[thatguy212]

gorrillasnake wrote...

im telling you she is!!!!!!!! ...you dont even have the magazine..you have some bootleg scans .....i have the actual game informer and when me3 comes out and shes a spectre...imma go on your profile and say i told you so

thatguy212 wrote...

didymos1120 wrote...

gorrillasnake wrote...

ash is a sole-survivor so yeah she the 2nd human spectre

What the hell are you talking about? 

You have to remember that Gorrillasnake is an idiot who thinks there are spectre symbols on everything, i think he's talking about how she wasn't killed by the geth unlike the rest of her squad, but thats nothing like shepard surviving the thresher maw because A) Shepard survived and wasn't saved by a marines passing by, and A Giant Worm made of Sharp teeth that spits acid is nothing like robots with a flashlight head

The issue isn't whether she is a spectre or not, the issue is whether the picture with in the game informer has a spectre symbol on her, which it doesn't, so either you prove that it is with real evidence or kindly stfu

Modifié par thatguy212, 23 avril 2011 - 12:13 .

[KotOREffecT]

Can't wait to see Ashley as a Spectre in ME3, that automatically increases her sex appeal. And we will have hot Spectre sex aboard the Spectre controlled Normandy!

[didymos1120]

Pwener2313 wrote...

Dude, everyone has seen the GameInformer article. Nowhere it says they're specters. I'd love them to be, but don't cry victory yet, you'll just ****** people off. Ash and LT have many enemies here.......

No, but the PS3M article does, and g-snake thinks he sees a Spectre symbol on the pic of Ash in the GI article.

[Pwener2313]

didymos1120 wrote...

Pwener2313 wrote...

Dude, everyone has seen the GameInformer article. Nowhere it says they're specters. I'd love them to be, but don't cry victory yet, you'll just ****** people off. Ash and LT have many enemies here.......

No, but the PS3M article does, and g-snake thinks he sees a Spectre symbol on the pic of Ash in the GI article.

I demand scans! Preferebly in private msg so nobody gets banned.

[didymos1120]

ExtremeOne wrote...
She does not  give a dam about Shepard .  

If she didn't give a damn (with an 'n'.  A dam is a barrier that raises the level of water behind it), then she wouldn't have been upset in the first place. 

[didymos1120]

Pwener2313 wrote...

didymos1120 wrote...

Pwener2313 wrote...

Dude, everyone has seen the GameInformer article. Nowhere it says they're specters. I'd love them to be, but don't cry victory yet, you'll just ****** people off. Ash and LT have many enemies here.......

No, but the PS3M article does, and g-snake thinks he sees a Spectre symbol on the pic of Ash in the GI article.

I demand scans! Preferebly in private msg so nobody gets banned.

You can find some in the ME thread on gamepunch.com. Page 71 I believe.

[Pwener2313]

didymos1120 wrote...

ExtremeOne wrote...
She does not  give a dam about Shepard .  

(with an 'n'.  A dam is a barrier that raises the level of water behind it)

lol